And yet again...another shooting rampage in the USA


#281

blog.dilbert.com/post/1463070884 … in-the-usa

[quote]But we do know that race and poverty are correlated. And we know that poverty and crime are correlated. And we know that race and political affiliation are correlated. Therefore, my team (Clinton) is more likely to use guns to shoot innocent people, whereas the other team (Trump) is more likely to use guns for sporting and defense.

That’s a gross generalization. Obviously. Your town might be totally different.

So it seems to me that gun control can’t be solved because Democrats are using guns to kill each other – and want it to stop – whereas Republicans are using guns to defend against Democrats. Psychologically, those are different risk profiles. And you can’t reconcile those interests, except on the margins. For example, both sides might agree that rocket launchers are a step too far. But Democrats are unlikely to talk Republicans out of gun ownership because it comes off as “Put down your gun so I can shoot you.”[/quote]

It’s no coincidence that the Orlando shooter was a registered Democrat.


#282

The prohibition era we may be in for. Can they do this with tommy guns?

wired.com/2016/06/orlando-h … ry-surges/

No problem. Just ban the Ghost Gunner. So people will be forced to fabricate their own Ghost Gunner…

Eventually, people will just fabricate their own Constitutional republic.


#283

I was somewhat puzzled and a bit optimistic about the Latino angle being sort of downplayed -but a bit overwhelmed and confused as to how sexuality divide trumped the racial divide. Current narratives seem to intersect both angles:

[quote]Orlando massacre was “revenge,” not terrorism, says man who claims he was gunman’s lover

Mateen was “very sweet” and liked to be “cuddled,” the man told Univision. But he was upset about the way gay men responded to him.
[/quote]

Conspiracy theories pop up:

[quote]
On Tuesday, Marco Diaz, the current fiancé of Orlando shooter Omar Mateen’s former wife Sitora Yusufiy, told Brazilian television station SBT Brazil that Yusufiy believed Mateen was gay and that she had witnessed Mateen’s father call him gay several times, but that “the FBI asked her not to tell this to the American media.”

The FBI and law enforcement in the United States have steadfastly stuck to a narrative of “Islamist terrorism,” with their alleged demand from Mateen’s ex-wife to remain silent about his homosexual proclivities suggesting they want to downplay the glaring personal and self-hating nature of the attack in favor of the Islamic terrorism-related one that helps increase governmental power and control.

Read more at thefreethoughtproject.com/fbi-te … 9RKbxBH.99[/quote]

Not to mention increasing gun sales…sigh This is not the loudest voice, though. Of course, the biggest conspiracy theory is that the whole Orlando thing was a scam, actors were used and no one died -based on grainy videos on YouTube. double sigh

In summary, a nation divided cannot stand.

and the role of sex for mental health, I’d add…


#284

Lies, damn lies, and…

thefederalist.com/2016/06/22/ame … cord-lows/

[quote]Most Americans believe America is submerged beneath a tidal wave of gun violence. A Pew Research poll in 2013 found that 56 percent of Americans thought gun violence had risen in the last 20 years, 26 percent thought it had remained the same, and only 12 percent thought it had fallen. You might be surprised to learn the 12 percent were right.

The gulf between the facts about guns and the public’s perception is immense, and was created deliberately. Anti-gun advocates invent new terms (“assault weapon”) and politicians lie to win over a skeptical public. Too often these myths are swallowed by journalists and celebrities who don’t bother to check the data and don’t know how modern firearms actually work.[/quote]


#285

theblaze.com/stories/2016/06 … ith-a-gun/

Want to know who the thugs are? Never mind the guns and the rhetoric. Look at who’s actually trying to kill whom.


#286

Easy to say when you live there. Not so easy when you live here and wake up every damn day to another mass shooting.


#287

wcnc.com/news/augusta-police … /257428962

[quote]When the shooting stopped, police said one suspect exited their vehicle to confront the occupants of the other. This is when two bystanders, who were legally carrying, interfered and stopped the incident, police said.

Augusta police say one of the men involved was injured. A bullet grazed the stomach of Kwiesha “Reggie” McBride of Harlem, New York.

Police say while this incident ended fine, they do not encourage citizens to step in. Be “good witnesses,” they told NEWS CENTER. [/quote]

Yeah. Watch people die waiting for the police to show up.


#288

politico.com/magazine/story/ … aws-213222


#289

orlandosentinel.com/news/pul … story.html

[quote]In the letter, the FBI says they are concerned releasing records would “adversely affect our ability to effectively investigate the shooting and bring the matter to resolution.” They also say the records could endanger witnesses and law enforcement officers involved in the case.

Paul Wysopal, special agent in charge of the FBI’s Tampa field office, signed the letter. He refused comment Wednesday.

Lawyers for the media outlets argue the records should be released because there is “a strong public interest in fully evaluating how first responders and police reacted during the most critical phases of this incredible tragedy,” the lawsuit states.

The city, in its filing, said it has not released all records “out of respect for the Pulse shooting victims and the families” and at the “direction of the FBI.”[/quote]

The first responders failed tragically. We’ve already had the attempts to shift the blame. Now comes the coverup.

The worst you can honestly say about the “good guy with the gun” is he’s not as much better than this as we might like… yet.


#290

Give them an inch and they take away due process and the presumption of innocence:

thehill.com/homenews/house/28612 … -next-week

[quote]Democrats say the Cornyn bill doesn’t go far enough since it includes a “probable cause” standard that would require law enforcement officials to prove that a gun buyer is an actual terrorist rather than a suspected terrorist.

Instead, Democrats want a vote on legislation that would bar firearm sales to anyone on a terrorism watch list or no-fly list.[/quote]


#291

Omar Mateen gives an interview. A look inside the mind of a passive enabler.


#292

Vegas just got hit by a mass shooting in the middle of a country music concert at Mandalay. So far, 20 dead. Condolences.


#293

The death toll has risen to 50…just horrifying…


#294

And over 400 hospitalized…Jesus Christ that’s a lot of bullets. Hard to believe it was a single shooter.


#295

Apparently he was well armed, and the attack took place from a 32nd floor window.

Nevada has among the most liberal gun laws in the nation.

No declaration of an act of terrorism yet.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/02/554976369/section-of-las-vegas-strip-is-closed-after-music-festival-shooting


#296

ISIS has claimed responsibility, saying the suspect converted to Islam several months ago.


#297

Nevada law does not require firearms owners to have licenses, register their weapons, or limits the number of firearms an individual posses. Automatic assault weapons and machine guns are also legal in the state as long as they are registered and are possessed in adherence to federal law, according to the National Rifle Association.

I just leave this right here…


#298

Last I heard it was 50 dead and 200 injured, I believe you because the numbers keep going up.

This doesn’t fit the normal narratives, not a white nationalist shooting up a black church, not a Muslim on a jihad rage. Apparently according to his brother he was not politically inclined nor religiously inclined.

At this point I would avoid the gossip and speculation on various sites and wait for the details to come out from an authoritative source. Sites like twitter can be good to get an idea of whats going on in the moment, but later on they become disinformation and the better source becomes the authorities.


#299

Has this been independently verified?


#300

Not yet, as far as I can tell. It does seem more than a little odd.