Beyond Trumpism: rebuilding a sane society

The US has been ruled by populism continuously since January 2009. Right now we’re in a contest between two populist factions.

Let them destroy each other, and take globalism and progressivism with them. The world has had quite enough of Hope and Change. If this is what it takes for voters to wise up then so be it.

This sounds so deeply frustrated.

Ever tried to repair something and getting frustrated, finally just destroying everything out of frustration?

I have done that. You and your colleges sound exactly like that.

Globalism started with the first ships capable of crossing the three big oceans.

The airplane was the next improvement.
Then came the first satellites and so on.

Globalism can’t be stopped and it shouldn’t.
It’s like trying to prevent new inventions from being used.

The next big thing putting people out of work will be AI and robots.

If you feel like a loser already wait another ten years.

Trump is not going to introduce the guarantied minimum income, then.
However, you still got the second amendment and with that you can turn the US into another Somalia.

Yeah. Several times. Usually it worked out pretty well. I cleared out the cruft and was able to rebuild a much better subsystem from scratch.

It’s a big part of how progress actually happens. When a design has reached a dead end, you ditch it and move on. When a machine is worn out, you rip it out and buy a new one. “Common” sense, really. But not everyone has the courage to face reality.

Frustration is the universe’s way of telling you you’ve gone far enough down the wrong track.

It started during the Johnson Administration, after the Eisenhower Administration.

I’m sorry, I’m not familiar with this particular concept. You’re talking about a time warp in which JFK didn’t exist, and the “war on poverty” is a thousand year religious war? (Obviously LBJ was involved in more than one war, but how many did he actually start?)

(If you’re just cryptically saying JFK’s assassination was the start of something, that still doesn’t work, because it didn’t happen during the Johnson administration.)

Familiarizing yourself with the history of the period might help:

[quote] In many ways, Lyndon Johnson can be regarded as the U.S. President most
favorably disposed toward Israel. His national security bureaucracy was far more
suspicious than its recent counterparts of the U.S.-Israeli strategic partnership;
Johnson also faced increasing domestic opposition to his management of
foreign policy. Yet LBJ consistently backed Israel at critical moments during his
presidency. He did so, moreover, by overruling policies recommended by the
State Department—despite his general inclination to follow the department’s
guidance on international matters.[/quote]-- The S. Daniel Abraham Center for International and Regional Studies,Tel Aviv University

http://www.tau.ac.il/humanities/abraham/publications/johnson_israel.pdf

Oh, that religious war? I had this funny idea that it started long before the 1960’s, even for the US.

Yes, the one with passenger jets plowing into the World Trade Center, Operation Iraqi Freedom, bombs going off at the Boston Marathon etc. That one.

Oh, that religious war, the Arabia-centric one, not the Israel-centric one.

I guess you’ll say they’re the same thing. But if you’re going to frame it as one big war lasting a thousand years, why not start at the Crusades? At least then we can say it should end soon.

Yet the Crusades wouldn’t have happened without the Christianization of Rome (and Christianity itself), so we’re talking more like 2000 years.

And that wouldn’t have happened without Judaism, so we need to go back to Egypt, in which case the chronology becomes notoriously unclear, but roughly, 3000 years is more like it.

You don’t think you’re giving LBJ just a little too much credit?

Americans like to pretend that their biblical Middle East policy which took root during the LBJ administration doesn’t exist and didn’t fuel the rise of the PLO, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Hamas and other terrorist organizations, none of which existed before 1964.

Instead it’s democracy, or the Crusades or it’s always been like this despite the fact that a westerner could live and work safely anywhere in the Middle East before the 1960’s and now can’t even set foot in most Middle Eastern countries because the collateral damaged are everywhere and you never know when one of them is going to blow.

So it goes. Religious wars thrive on ignorance, fear, lies, hate, superstition and self-deceit and this one is no different.

Okay, let’s say the change in 1963 was unlike anything that had been or would be seen in a millennium (a bigger change than any Barbary Pirate could imagine!:wink:), so Johnson era biblical policy is the origin of all the Middle East’s problems since then. In that case, what is the origin of Johnson era biblical policy?

Primarily the rise of the religious right as a political force in the U.S. in the 1960’s and 70’s. The same political movement which just helped elect Donald Trump.There was an explosion of end times/millenarianism in the U.S. then which permeates mainstream culture today in the form of apocalyptic visions of the future. Central to the end times hallucivisions of the religious right are a preoccupation with the Middle East, religious war to the death with Islam, weapons of mass destruction and the second coming of the messiah in a restored Israel. In short, the essence of American policy in the Middle East today, despite Barack Obama’s best efforts to change the direction of that failed policy.

But that’s nothing new either. Eschatology has always been part of Christianity, and again that goes way back, all the way back to Creation, if you will.

To avoid going back to Creation every time we talk about history, it kind of makes sense to say WWII started with the invasion of Poland, because that’s when the declarations of war started happening, instead of saying it started with Chamberlain’s Germany policy, or Paris 1919, or the various policies that led to WWI, or 19th century America’s Japan policy, or what have you.

It’s not that events aren’t related to policies, but if you blame one policy you might as well blame another, especially if you’re talking about a thousand year chunk of history involving many nations and their preoccupations with different things at different times. :2cents:

Eschatology hasn’t always been part of American foreign policy though, which is the point. If you want a Pearl Harbor like starting point for the thousand year religious war the U.S. is locked into with Islam and its 1.6 billion adherents the first terror attack on U.S. soil in 1993 – the first World Trade Center bombing – would serve as well as any other, at least from the U.S. perspective. Muslims probably would mark an earlier starting point as their Pearl Harbor date though.

I would have something to say about that, but we now return to our regularly scheduled programming…