Bush's response to Katarina/New Orleans (Part 1)

Original Title: Bush fiddles while New Orleans drowns (Part 1)

I don’t need any more proof that Bush is an imbecile, but just in case…

"Since 2003, Washington has been diverting funds intended for the repair of the New Orleans’ levee system and pouring them into the breach of Iraq. Nearly half of Louisiana’s National Guard are also in Iraq, I suppose to fight the hurricane over there so we don’t have to fight it over here. Instead of the protection of the Guard, the Gulf Coast is falling under the authority of Northern Command (“Defending the Homeland is Job #1”) which, since it’s creation in 2002, has been a violation of the spirit and the law of the Posse Comitatus Act.

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"In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.

On the way back to the office after lunch today, I heard Robert Siegel of NPR interviewing Michael Chertoff, Secretary of Homeland Security (that is still the goofiest, naziest name for an American branch of guvmint I ever heard).

Siegel asks Chertoff what his department can do to ease the suffering of Katrina victims. The conversation gets around to a discussion of the Louisianians stuck at the New Orleans Convention Center.

Chertoff denies media estimates of the size of the problem there. :loco:

Says he’s not convinced that many residents are without food and water. Siegel is aghast. The conversation moves on for a few minutes, Chertoff leaves and Siegel goes straight to a reporter standing in front of the New Orleans Convention Center. Siegel asks, is it as bad as media reports, or is Sec. Chertoff correct?

The reporter is aghast. It’s bad, real bad, he says. Thousands of people, no food no water, it’s just as i’ts been described. At the end of the segment, Siegel announces that Chertoff has called back with news: he’s “discovered” that he was wrong, things ARE bad at the New Orleans Convention Center. (In his defense, how the heck could he, a mere United States of America Secretary of Homeland Security, know what is going on in one of America’s largest, coastal cities in the aftermath of a major hurricane?)

I’m thinking, with staff like Chertoff, the last couple days of President Bush’s vacation probably aren’t going to be as pleasant as he’d hoped. (boy, he got out of Crawford just in time, didn’t he? :laughing: )

You can hear Robert Siegel’s interview with Sec. Chertoff here.

One more reason not to let dishonest, war-mongering fanatics get control of your government:

"The [url=http://www.house.gov/transportation/pbed/03-18-04/03-18-04memo.html]FY 2005 Budget Request for the Department of Homeland Security

When people get past the emergency needs of the people down there, one of these days there will be a reckoning. I think it will be clear that Bush has singlehandledly been responsible for the greatest number of unnecessary American deaths of any sitting U.S. president.

Of course, the right-wing loonies will try to argue that it was “unnecessary” that we fought World War I or II, but of course I figure that’s probably just the Hal Turner wing of the Republican Party.

Of course, it will be argued that nobody saw this coming. “We couldn’t
have known”.

So read this article from the October 2001 issue of Scientific
American:

Drowning New Orleans

A major hurricane could swamp New Orleans under 20 feet of water, killing thousands. Human activities along the Mississippi River have dramatically increased the risk, and now only massive reengineering of southeastern Louisiana can save the city

By Mark Fischetti

[i]The boxes are stacked eight feet high and line the walls of the large, windowless room. Inside them are new body bags, 10,000 in all. If a big, slow-moving hurricane crossed the Gulf of Mexico on the right track, it would drive a sea surge that would drown New Orleans under 20 feet of water. “As the water recedes,” says Walter Maestri, a local emergency management director, “we expect to find a lot of dead bodies.”

New Orleans is a disaster waiting to happen. The city lies below sea level, in a bowl bordered by levees that fend off Lake Pontchartrain to the north and the Mississippi River to the south and west. And because of a damning confluence of factors, the city is sinking further, putting it at increasing flood risk after even minor storms.

The low-lying Mississippi Delta, which buffers the city from the gulf, is also rapidly disappearing. A year from now another 25 to 30 square miles of delta marsh–an area the size of Manhattan–will have vanished. An acre disappears every 24 minutes. Each loss gives a storm surge a clearer path to wash over the delta and pour into the bowl, trapping one million people inside and another million in surrounding communities. Extensive evacuation would be impossible because the surging water would cut off the few escape routes. Scientists at Louisiana State University (L.S.U.), who have modeled hundreds of possible storm tracks on advanced computers, predict that more than 100,000 people could die. The body bags wouldn’t go very far.[/i]

Read the rest of the article:
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[quote=“mofangongren”]When people get past the emergency needs of the people down there, one of these days there will be a reckoning. I think it will be clear that Bush has singlehandledly been responsible for the greatest number of unnecessary American deaths of any sitting U.S. president.
[/quote]

This is really disgusting. How far can you go in your quest to demonize Bush? It’s a natural disaster for god’s sake, a superstorm that could never have been adequatley prepared for and, of course, in your blindly simplistic way “It’s Bush’s fault. He’s a murderer.”

Truly repugnant man. :raspberry:

C’mon, he’s only the president.

Those diverted funds were necessary to keep the war machine well-oiled…

One more reason not to let dishonest, war-mongering fanatics take control of your government:

"Mike Parker, the assistant secretary of the Army for civil works, quit suddenly on March 6 (2002), after just five months in his post. Outsiders say the White House pressed Parker to leave after he didn’t strongly defend the Bush administration budget for the Corps of Engineers, which his office oversees. Lt. Col. Catherine Abbott, a Dept. of Defense spokesperson, said Parker wasn’t asked to resign. Parker’s office referred questions to Army public affairs. . . .

Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.) said, "Mike Parker told the truth that the Corps of Engineers budget, as proposed, is insufficient. However, the administration felt that Mike’s comments at this point in the process were inappropriate. . . .

“President Bush has boldly ousted Mike Parker because of his failure to support the President’s agenda.” Faber says the White House decision “is strong evidence that the President is willing to use all of his tools, including the veto, if the Congress doesn’t pass a fiscally responsible energy and water [appropriations] bill.”

Things will only get worse. Remember most of the victims are African Americans. You think Bush gives a shit about them? The lucky ones escaped the poverty in the US by fighting for a bogus war against terrorism in Iraq.

Instead of focusing on the human suffering, the right-wing goons are playing up the pictures looting, mostly by? Young black men.

Where in Africas are these people from? Perhaps you mean Black Americans? Playing the ‘Race Card’ is not lessening the looting and lawlessness being perpetrated in this disaster. Being black and poor does not excuse rape and carjacking.

[quote=“whiskas2”]You think Bush gives a shit about them? The lucky ones escaped the poverty in the US by fighting for a bogus war against terrorism in Iraq.[/quote] Sorry…but this is just a crock of drivel. So you’re against President Bush…and you use that to also be against the War in the ME…isn’t that cute!

[quote=“whiskas2”]Instead of focusing on the human suffering, the right-wing goons are playing up the pictures looting, mostly by? Young black men.[/quote]Again…playing the ‘Race Card’ while ignoring reality.
This is a 75-mile-long swath of utter destruction, for crying out loud. When will people understand that this is by far the biggest natural disaster in the history of this country?
President Bush declared a state of emergency on SATURDAY and made the mandatory evacuation order which was not done by the Governor of LA until Tuesday.
These people awere/are living in a city 6 feet BELOW sea level. Where are their personal DISASTER PACKS? Dry food, water, diapers(if required), medical supplies? Seems like something that common sense would indicate appropriate…eh?
They are living in this situation and still refusing to take personal responsibility for something like this happening? Doesn’t sound right to me.

As I mentioned in another thread, some will use this terrible disaster to push their personal agenda.
Sad…so friggin’ sad. Wasting their energy in hate rather than compassion for those suffering in this.

Bush has now killed more Americans than Bin-Laden,
and destroyed more buildings and city blocks.
[by diverting funds from New Orleans to Iraq, see OP]

And he did it all while taking a record shattering number of vacation days!

He should be frog-marched to Guantanamo and tortured.

[quote=“whiskas2”]Things will only get worse. Remember most of the victims are African Americans. You think Bush gives a shit about them? The lucky ones escaped the poverty in the US by fighting for a bogus war against terrorism in Iraq.

Instead of focusing on the human suffering, the right-wing goons are playing up the pictures looting, mostly by? Young black men.[/quote]

Excellent! Not only is Bush a murdered for “diverting funds” from New Orleans to fight the war ion Iraq, now he’s a racist!

Right wing goons? Controlling the press? HA! Maybe the pictures and video of young black looting are there because young black men are looting!

This is a limbo contest right? How low can you guys go?

The US was part of a group that helped…thousands, no…I’d say saved millions after the tsunami that killed 100,000+. The US government, and state governemnt will be able to handle this absolute destruction too. It won’t be perfect and how could it possibly be perfect? But I bet there won’t one bit of positive news in favor of the Bush administration…just more fingerpointing.

[quote=“Toe Tag”]Bush has now killed more Americans than Bin-Laden,
and destroyed more buildings and city blocks.

And he did it all while taking a record shattering number of vacation days!

He should be frog-marched to Guantanamo and tortured.[/quote]

That is outrageous and idiotic.

[quote=“jdsmith”][quote=“Toe Tag”]Bush has now killed more Americans than Bin-Laden,
and destroyed more buildings and city blocks.

And he did it all while taking a record shattering number of vacation days!

He should be frog-marched to Guantanamo and tortured.[/quote]

That is outrageous and idiotic.[/quote]
I agree. Bush’s behavior is outrageous and idiotic.

His negligence of New Orleans dike funding is criminal.

Which of the above facts upsets you? Can you be more specific? It takes more than a dirty mouth to make it in this town.

And whatever your political stripe, it is beyond dispute that Bush looks like a jackass with that guitar. I am so tired of this folksy image he tries to project while behind our backs destroying America.

Bush should never have been ‘President’ of the US of A :s

He should have been a taxi driver or a carpenter.

[quote=“Toe Tag”]Bush has now killed more Americans than Bin-Laden,
and destroyed more buildings and city blocks.
[by diverting funds from New Orleans to Iraq, see OP]
And he did it all while taking a record shattering number of vacation days!
He should be frog-marched to Guantanamo and tortured.[/quote]Only an idiot would post something like this.
And in other news…

Fats Domino and his family have been found and are safe… :bravo:

Thanks to the right-wingers who are here to remind us that the United States of Amnesia still exists.

Remember Bush’s response to the tsunami? He donated a paltry US15 million to the effort but was shamed into giving more after Germany, the EU, and Australia gave 20 times that amount.

Playing the race card by calling “blacks” African Americans? So what should I call you White American?

[quote]These people awere/are living in a city 6 feet BELOW sea level. Where are their personal DISASTER PACKS? Dry food, water, diapers(if required), medical supplies? Seems like something that common sense would indicate appropriate…eh?
They are living in this situation and still refusing to take personal responsibility for something like this happening? Doesn’t sound right to m[/quote]

Yeah. I guess they forgot to buy “personal DISASTER PACKS” because they spent their welfare money on gin and Mercedes Benz sedans.

Personal responsibility? You’re picking on the helpless. The people who are stuck in New Orleans are mostly: 1) tourists 2) too poor to pay for a cab or bus fare to leave the city 4) too old to go anywhere else.

Let’s talk about “Personal responsibility?”

  1. Critics Say Bush Undercut New Orleans Flood Control

By Jim VandeHei and Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, September 2, 2005; Page A16

President Bush repeatedly requested less money for programs to guard against catastrophic storms in New Orleans than many federal and state officials requested, decisions that are triggering a partisan debate over administration priorities at a time when the budget is strained by the Iraq war.

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2) A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush administration ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six people in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and pumping stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in U.S., including a terrorist attack on New York City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project essentially dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut the Corps of Engineers’ request for holding back the waters of New Orleans’ Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total reduction in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds for fixing New Orleans levees, but it was too late.

  1. "Chalk up the city of New Orleans as a cost of Bush’s Iraq war.

"There were not enough helicopters to repair the breached levees and rescue people trapped by rising water. Nor are there enough Louisiana National Guardsmen available to help with rescue efforts and to patrol against looting.

"The situation is the same in Mississippi.

"The National Guard and helicopters are off on a fool’s mission in Iraq.

"The National Guard is in Iraq because fanatical neoconservatives in the Bush administration were determined to invade the Middle East and because incompetent Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld refused to listen to the generals, who told him there were not enough regular troops available to do the job.

"After the invasion, the arrogant Rumsfeld found out that the generals were right. The National Guard was called up to fill in the gaping gaps.

“Now the Guardsmen, trapped in the Iraqi quagmire, are watching on TV the families they left behind trapped by rising waters and wondering if the floating bodies are family members. None know where their dislocated families are, but, shades of Fallujah, they do see their destroyed homes.”
Paul Craig Roberts.

I wouldn’t say that Bush is or isn’t a racist, but he really is showing that his head is up his arse, where his brain is, I don’t even want to really ponder. :s :unamused: For christ sake, the man, is on top of the problem when it’s boiling down to the oil issues. Making sure that reserves are being opened(oh this must really make him jump for joy,as now he has a greater reason to go into Alaska.) And while he’s nicely tanned on all his press briefings, addressing the potential oil crisis. He has to call on Daddy and an a Rhodes scholar to help him figure out how to handle the ‘human’ side of the problem. :unamused: But no one, as I’ve been watching numerous amounts of news coverage, has truly said what is preventing the government from providing the necessary means to the people of N.O. They are clear about Mississippi, claiming debrie (sp) is one of the major obsticles(sp) but N.O. is just suddenly an anomoly.
If you really want to play the race card here, you have to do it with the media. I have noticed countless human interest stories with whites, idenifying their names, where they lived and what destruction the hurricane caused in their lives. Yes, there has countless looping of black men roiting as well as other blacks. But when they(media) does sound bites of blacks who are being affected by this travesty, they(media) do not use their names or what has really happened to them. In fact, blacks who have been able to use media time for help in locating their loved ones, haven’t even had their names or loved one’s names meantioned.

If the government is slow to resolve this problem in N.O. it may not necessaryly be because of race, but economic factors, along with obsticles set up by nature.

***note-Jd, many black americans like to be refered to as African americans, because it shows homage to our anestors(sp) who were from Africa. I prefer both usages.

[quote=“Namahottie”]
***note-Jd, many black Americans like to be refered to as African Americans, because it shows homage to our ancestors who were from Africa. I prefer both usages.[/quote]

I use “black” because that’s what I grew with and that’s what all the non-caucasion people of African descent I met in my young life, the military, and in college and grad school used themselves.

I prefer American. “Look at those stupid Americans looting after a hurricane.” Talk about crapping on your own plate.

Sandman was right, there is something to say about the response and illegal capitalistic endeavors of post hurricane peoples and the much more reasonable post Big-One Taiwanese. :loco:

Obviously a difficult situation. Hopefully, rescue operations will proceed as fast as possible.
It might be more sensitive to wait a few days before making political points.