Climate Change - Impacts, Part II


#541

Well expecting you to admit the success of a treaty which addresses a problem you don’t accept as real is like expecting an HIV/AIDS denialist to be excited by the discovery of an HIV vaccination. But for those who don’t get all their info from the Telegraph, Daily Caller and Forbes:

"Saving the ozone layer: why the Montreal Protocol worked"
theconversation.com/saving-the-o … orked-9249

And for those who don’t understand where Fred is coming from on that issue:

"Ozone depletion denialism"
rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ozone_laye … _denialism

What’s up with the darn hyperlinks?


#542

[quote=“Vay”]And then… there’s this: […]

Has he been fired yet (or at least suspended, like the guy in Taber)?
calgaryherald.com/news/local-new … re-comment

I feel the wave of self-censorship surrounding this issue.


#543

Looks like when it comes to providing you service, even the hyperlinks are in denial… kind of ironic, right?


#544

Sea-level rise has claimed five whole islands in the Pacific

[quote]Recently at least five reef islands in the remote Solomon Islands have been lost completely to sea-level rise and coastal erosion, and a further six islands have been severely eroded.

These islands lost to the sea range in size from one to five hectares. They supported dense tropical vegetation that was at least 300 years old. Nuatambu Island, home to 25 families, has lost more than half of its habitable area, with 11 houses washed into the sea since 2011.

This is the first scientific evidence, published in Environmental Research Letters, that confirms the numerous anecdotal accounts from across the Pacific of the dramatic impacts of climate change on coastlines and people.[/quote]


#545

Related / unrelated ? up to you to decide.

I was told there will be no (or very little) fruit harvest this summer in the central part of the island this year.

The price of the fruit is already going up, and up, and up…

Please confirm and/or comment


#546

yeah, but like, Al Gore. And here’s a graph that proves it’s nothing to do with climate change.

And I’m sure fred will have something to say about that “1 to 5 hectares” bit.

I suspect that really is just a seasonal thing, or possibly something daft that the farmers have done. Personally I haven’t noticed any drastic shifts in Taiwan that would affect fruit maturation. Rain volume and timing seems to be about what it normally is.


#547

Just got back from the Pacific. Most “anecdotal evidence” of climate change often is nothing more than localized conditions and/or illegal removal of sand for use in construction. Of course, I fully appreciate that many leaders of Pacific Island nations and others in the NGO sector smell the money and respond accordingly. Sorry: translation: OMG!!! MORE DISASTERS!!! The EARTH GODDESS IS ANGRY AND WE MUST REPENT OUR SINFUL WAYS!!! I HATE CORPORATIONS!!!


#548

So in other words, “Science Shmience!”

One wonders, if actual published research doesn’t do the trick in terms of persuasion, what possibly could?


#549

PS… I’ve always thought “Fred Smith” was a pseudonym. After re-listening to Orekes’ Merchants of Doubt, I’m not so sure:

[quote](Dixy Lee) Ray recapitulated her argument (on socialism in environmentalist clothing) in an interview with the Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty, whose opening question to her was this: “With the world-wide decline of Socialism, many individuals think that the environmental movement may be the next great threat to freedom. Do you agree?” Ray replied, “Yes, I do. The International Socialist Movement, which is intent upon continuing to press countries into socialism, is now headed up by people within the United Nations. They are the ones in the UN environmental program, and they were the ones sponsoring the so-called Earth Summit.” When asked, “Do you see a big influence by the radical environmentalists there?”, again she replied, “Oh yes. No question about that – the radicals are in charge.”
And who accompanied Ray to Rio? [color=#00BF00]Fred Smith – the founder and head of the Competitive Enterprise Institute.[/color]
[/quote]


#550

HEY! I had a very nice time in Rio! It was important for me to raise awareness of myself at those meetings. Bit of a philosophical conundrum but one must examine whether etre et neant, non?


#551

Holy CRAP

India just set a new all-time record high temperature — 123.8 degrees

but… but… the satellite temperatures… um, weather doesn’t equal climate… um, curse you Nature!!! Stop collaborating with these damn eco-communists!!!


#552

Thanks for this. I think this is very telling. 50.6 degrees in 1886… before any supposed evil manmade CO2 emissions were destroying our “perfect temperature and climate.” Now, a new record that is 0.4 degrees higher… Seems to me that this would indicate precisely complex climactic conditions rather than an inexorable rise based on CO2 inputs, no?


#553

Thanks for this. I think this is very telling. 50.6 degrees in 1886… before any supposed evil manmade CO2 emissions were destroying our “perfect temperature and climate.” Now, a new record that is 0.4 degrees higher… Seems to me that this would indicate precisely complex climactic conditions rather than an inexorable rise based on CO2 inputs, no?[/quote]

I confirm Fred’s words

The previous national record was 50.6 C (123.08 F), set back in 1956 in Alwar, Rajasthan, according to the IMD. The accuracy of this measurement has been disputed by some experts, however, who claim that the last highest temperature record was recorded back in 1886.

huffingtonpost.com/entry/ind … 3b5129e8b4
washingtonpost.com/news/cap … 8-degrees/


#554

Thanks for this. I think this is very telling. 50.6 degrees in 1886… before any supposed evil manmade CO2 emissions were destroying our “perfect temperature and climate.” Now, a new record that is 0.4 degrees higher… Seems to me that this would indicate precisely complex climactic conditions rather than an inexorable rise based on CO2 inputs, no?[/quote]

Mm, just as there was cancer before there were cigarettes, there were high temperatures before AGW. No one disputes this. However, compare the hottest vs. coldest temperature records for basically all countries. The hottest which appear in the last two decades are in red; coldest in the last two decades are in blue (for some reason it took me a really long time to do the coloring for the hot ones; the cold ones I got done really fast!)

HOTTEST TEMPERATURE RECORDS BY COUNTRY
Africa
[color=#FF0000]Algeria 50.6 °C (123.1 °F) In Salah, Tamanrasset Province 12 July 2002[15][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Botswana 44.0 °C (111.2 °F) Maun 7 January 2016[16][/color]
Cameroon 47.7 °C (117.9 °F) Kousseri ?
[color=#FF0000] Chad 47.6 °C (117.7 °F) Faya-Largeau 22 June 2010[17][/color]
[color=#FF0000] Ghana 43.3 °C (109.9 °F) Navrongo 10 April 2015[18]
Niger 48.2 °C (118.8 °F) Bilma 23 June 2010[17]
Morocco 49.1 °C (120.4 °F) Agadir Airport 30 July 2009
Nigeria 46.4 °C (115.5 °F) Yola 3 April 2010[17][/color]
South Africa 50.0 °C (122 °F) Dunbrody, Eastern Cape 1918[19]
[color=#FF0000] Sudan 49.7 °C (121.5 °F) Dongola 25 June 2010[17][/color]
Tunisia 55.0 °C (131 °F) Kebili 7 July 1931[15][20]
[color=#FF0000]Zambia 42.4 °C (108.3 °F) Mfuwe, Eastern Province 13 October 2010[17][/color]
Antarctica
[color=#FF0000] Antarctica 17.5 °C (63.5 °F) Hope Bay, Trinity Peninsula 24 March 2015[21]
South Pole −12.3 °C (9.9 °F) Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station 25 December 2011[22][/color]
Asia
Bangladesh 45.1 °C (113.2 °F) Rajshahi 30 April 1972[23]
Bhutan 40.0 °C (104.0 °F) Phuentsholing 27 August 1997[24]
[color=#FF0000]China 50.3 °C (122.5 °F) Ayding Lake, Turpan, Xinjiang 24 July 2015[25]
Hong Kong 37.8 °C (100.0 °F) Happy Valley 8 August 2015[18][/color]
[color=#FF0000] India 51 °C (124 °F) Phalodi, Rajasthan 19 May 2016[26]
Indonesia 39.5 °C (103.1 °F) Jatiwangi, Cirebon, West Java /
Semarang, Central Java December 2006 / 27 October 2015 [27][/color]
Iraq 53.0 °C (127.4 °F) Ali Air Base, Nasiriyah 3 August 2011[28][29]
Israel 54.0 °C (129.2 °F) Tirat Zvi 21 June 1942[30]
[color=#FF0000] Japan 41.0 °C (105.8 °F) Shimanto, Kōchi 12 August 2013[31][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Kuwait 53.6 °C (128.5 °F) Sulaibya 31 July 2012[32][33]
Laos 42.0 °C (107.6 °F) Thakhek 20 April 2015[18]
Malaysia 40.1 °C (104.2 °F) Chuping 9 April 1998[34][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Myanmar 47.0 °C (116.6 °F) Myinmu 12 May 2010[17]
Pakistan 53.5 °C (128.3 °F) Mohenjo-daro, Sindh 26 May 2010[17][/color]
Philippines 42.2 °C (108.0 °F) Tuguegarao, Cagayan Valley 12 April 1912[35]
[color=#FF0000]Qatar 50.4 °C (122.7 °F) Doha 14 July 2010[17][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Russia 42.3 °C (108.1 °F) Belogorsk, Amur Oblast 12 July 2010[36]
Saudi Arabia 52.0 °C (125.6 °F) Jeddah 23 June 2010[37]
Singapore 36.7 °C (98.1 °F) Seletar 13 April 2016[38][/color]
South Korea 40.0 °C (104 °F) Daegu 1 August 1942[39]
[color=#FF0000]Taiwan 40.2 °C (104 °F) Taitung County 9 May 2004[40][/color]
Thailand 44.5 °C (112.1 °F) Uttaradit 27 April 1960[41]
Turkey 48.8 °C (119.8 °F) Mardin 14 August 1993[42]
[color=#FF0000]Vietnam 42.7 °C (108.9 °F) Con Cuong 30 May 2015[18][/color]
Europe
Andorra 38.5 °C (101.3 °F) Andorra la Vella ?
[color=#FF0000] Austria 40.5 °C (104.9 °F) Bad Deutsch-Altenburg 8 August 2013[43]
Belarus 38.9 °C (102 °F) Gomel 7 August 2010[17][/color]
Belgium 38.8 °C (102 °F) Uccle 27 June 1947
Bosnia and Herzegovina 43.2 °C (111.16 °F) Mostar 31 July 1900
Bulgaria 45.2 °C (113.3 °F) Sadovo, Plovdiv Province 5 August 1916[44]
[color=#FF0000] Croatia 42.8 °C (109 °F) Ploče 5 August 1998[45]
Cyprus 46.6 °C (115.9 °F) Lefkoniko 1 August 2010[17][/color]
[color=#FF0000] Czech Republic 40.4 °C (104.7 °F) Dobřichovice, Prague-West District 20 August 2012[46][/color]
Denmark 36.4 °C (97.5 °F) Holstebro, Midtjylland 10 August 1975[47]
Estonia 35.6 °C (96.1 °F) Võru 11 August 1992[48]
[color=#FF0000] Finland 37.2 °C (99 °F) Liperi 29 July 2010[49]
France 44.1 °C (111.4 °F) Conqueyrac / Saint-Christol-lès-Alès 12 August 2003[50]
Germany 40.3 °C (104.5 °F) Kitzingen, Lower Franconia, Bavaria 5 July 2015 / 7 August 2015[51][/color]
Greece 48.0 °C (118.4 °F ) Athens, Greece 10 July 1977[52]
[color=#FF0000] Hungary 41.9 °C (107.4 °F) Kiskunhalas 20 July 2007[53][/color]
Iceland 30.5 °C (86.9 °F) Teigarhorn, Djúpivogur 22 June 1939[54][55]
Ireland 33.3 °C (92 °F) Kilkenny Castle, County Kilkenny 26 June 1887[56]
[color=#FF0000] Italy 47.0 °C (116.6 °F) Foggia, Apulia [notes 1] 25 June 2007[57][58]
Latvia 37.8 °C (100.03 °F) Ventspils 4 August 2014[59][/color]
Lithuania 37.5 °C (99.5 °F) Zarasai, Utena County 30 July 1994[60]
[color=#FF0000] Macedonia 45.7 °C (114.26 °F) Demir Kapija, Demir Kapija 24 July 2007[61]
Malta 43.8 °C (110.84 °F) Malta International Airport 9 August 1999[62]
Moldova 42.4 °C(108.3 °F) Falesti 7 August 2012[63]
Montenegro 44.8 °C (112.6 °F) Podgorica & Danilovgrad 16 August 2007 /
8 August 2012[63][/color]
Netherlands 38.6 °C (102 °F) Warnsveld 23 August 1944[64]
Norway 35.6 °C (96.1 °F) Nesbyen, Buskerud 20 June 1970[65]
Poland 40.2 °C (104.4 °F) Proskau [notes 2] 29 July 1921[67]
[color=#FF0000]Portugal 47.4 °C (117.3 °F) Amareleja, Beja 1 August 2003[68][/color]
Romania 44.5 °C (112.1 °F) Ion Sion, Brăila County 10 August 1951[69]
[color=#FF0000]Russia 45.4 °C (113.7 °F) Utta, Kalmykia 12 July 2010[70]
Serbia 44.9 °C (112.8 °F) Smederevska Palanka, Podunavlje 24 July 2007[71]
Slovakia 40.3 °C (104.5 °F) Hurbanovo 20 July 2007[72]
Slovenia 40.8 °C (105.4 °F) Cerklje ob Krki 8 August 2013[73][/color]
Spain 47.2 °C (116.9 °F) Murcia 4 July 1994[74]
Sweden 38.0 °C (100.4 °F) Ultuna, Uppsala County/
Målilla, Kalmar County (tied) 9 July 1933 /
29 June 1947[75]
[color=#FF0000] Switzerland 41.5 °C (106.7 °F) Grono, Moesa District 11 August 2003[76]
Ukraine 42.0 °C (107.6 °F) Luhansk 12 August 2010[77]
United Kingdom
England 38.5 °C (101.3 °F) Faversham, Kent 10 August 2003[78][/color]
Northern Ireland 30.8 °C (87.4 °F) Knockaravan, County Fermanagh /
Belfast, County Antrim (tied) 30 June 1976 /
12 July 1983[78]
[color=#FF0000] Scotland 32.9 °C (91.2 °F) Greycrook, Scottish Borders 9 August 2003[78][/color]
Wales 35.2 °C (95.4 °F) Hawarden Bridge, Flintshire 2 August 1990[78]
North America
[color=#FF0000] Anguilla 34.2 °C (93.6 °F) The Valley 12 September 2015 [18][/color]
Canada 45.0 °C (113 °F) Yellow Grass, Saskatchewan
Midale, Saskatchewan 5 July 1937[79]
[color=#FF0000] Cuba 38.8 °C (102 °F) Jucarito (Granma Province) 17 April 1999[80]
Dominica 35.5 °C (95.9 °F) Canefield Airport 3 October 2015[18][/color]
Dominican Republic 43.0 °C (109.4 °F) Mao 31 August 1954[81]
[color=#FF0000] Greenland 25.9 °C (78.6 °F) Maniitsoq 30 July 2013[82][/color]
Guatemala 45 °C (113 °F) Estanzuela, Zacapa ?[83]
Mexico 52 °C (125.6 °F) San Luis Río Colorado, Sonora 6 July 1966[84][85]
Puerto Rico 37.2 °C (99 °F) Arecibo 25 June 1985[86]
United States 56.7 °C (134.1 °F) Furnace Creek Ranch
(formerly Greenland Ranch),
Death Valley, California 10 July 1913[11][87]
[color=#FF0000] US Virgin Islands 37.2 °C (99 °F) Saint Thomas 4 August 1994 /
23 June 1996[88][/color]
Oceania [notes 3]
Australia 50.7 °C (123.3 °F) Oodnadatta, South Australia 2 January 1960[21][89][90]
[color=#FF0000] Cook Islands 35.4 °C (95.7 °F) Rarotonga 9 February 2014[/color]
New Zealand 42.4 °C (108.3 °F) Rangiora, Canterbury /
Jordan, Marlborough (tied) 7 February 1973[91]
[color=#FF0000] Solomon Islands 36.1 °C (97.0 °F) Honiara, Guadalcanal Province 1 February 2010[17]
Wallis and Futuna 35.5 °C (95.9 °F) Futuna Airport 19 January 2015[18][/color]
South America
Argentina 48.9 °C (120.0 °F) Rivadavia, Salta Province 11 December 1905[21][92][93]
[color=#FF0000] Bolivia 46.7 °C (116.1 °F) Villamontes, Tarija Department 29 October 2010 [17][notes 4]
Brazil 44.7 °C (112.5 °F) Bom Jesus, Piauí 21 November 2005 [94]
Colombia 45.0 °C (113.0 °F) Puerto Salgar, Cundinamarca 29 December 2015 [95]
French Guiana 37.8 °C (100.0 °F) Saint-Laurent-du-Maroni 22 October 2015 [27]
Paraguay 45.0 °C (113.0 °F) Pratts Gill, Boquerón Department 14 November 2009[96][/color]
Uruguay 44.0 °C (111.2 °F) Paysandú, Paysandú Department 20 January 1943[97]
[color=#FF0000] Venezuela 43.6 °C (110.5 °F) Santa Ana de Coro, Falcón 29 April 2015[18][/color]

COLDEST TEMPERATURES RECORDED BY COUNTRY
Africa
Algeria −20 °C (−4 °F) Batna, Batna Province 1945-01-04[101]
Lesotho −20.4 °C (−4.7 °F) Letseng-la-Draai (Letseng-la-Terae), Mokhotlong District 1967-06-12[102]
Morocco −23.9 °C (−11 °F) Ifrane 1935-02-11[21]
[color=#0000FF] South Africa −20.1 °C (−4.2 °F) Buffelsfontein, near Molteno, Eastern Cape 2013-08-23[103][/color]
Antarctica −89.2 °C (−128.6 °F) Vostok Station 1983-07-21[21][98][104]*
[color=#0000FF]Dome A −82.5 °C (−116.5 °F) Dome A 2005–07[105][/color]
South Pole −82.8 °C (−117.0 °F) Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station 1982-06-23[106]
Asia
Bangladesh 2.8 °C (37.0 °F) Sreemangal 1968-?-?[107]
China −52.3 °C (−62.1 °F) Mohe County 1969-02-13[108]
[color=#0000FF]Hong Kong −6.0 °C (21.2 °F) Tai Mo Shan 2016-01-24[109][/color]
India −52 °C (−62 °F)/−33.9 °C (−29.0 °F) Dras, Jammu and Kashmir January ??/1911-03-22[110]
Indonesia −1 °C (30 °F) Dieng Plateau 19??
Iran −46 °C (−43.3 °F) Saqqez 1972[111]
Iraq −17.6 °C (0.4 °F) Mosul, Ninawa Governorate 1911-01-24[112]
[color=#0000FF] Israel −14.2 °C (6.4 °F) Merom Golan 2015-01-10[113][/color]
Japan −41.0 °C (−41.8 °F) Asahikawa, Hokkaidō 1902-01-25[31]
Malaysia 7.8 °C (46.0 °F) Cameron Highlands 1978-02-01[34]
[color=#0000FF]Nepal −45.0 °C (−49.0 °F) Mt. Everest, Sagarmatha 1999-05-15[31][/color]
North Korea −43.6 °C (−46.5 °F) Chunggangjin 1933-01-12[114]
Pakistan −24.1 °C (−11.4 °F) Skardu, Gilgit–Baltistan 1995-01-07[115]
Russia −67.8 °C (−90 °F) Verkhoyansk and
Oymyakon, both in Sakha Republic 1892-02-07
1933-02-06[21]
South Korea −32.8 °C (−27.0 °F) Yangpyeong 1981-01-05[116]
Thailand −1.4 °C (29.5 °F) Sakon Nakhon 1974-01-02[41]
Europe
Albania −27.5 °C (−17.5 °F) Voskopojë 1967-01-27
Austria −47.1 °C (−52.78 °F) Grünloch doline 1932-02-19[117]
Belarus −42.2 °C (−44.0 °F) Slavnom, Vitsebsk Voblast 1940-01-17[118]
Belgium −30.1 °C (−22.2 °F) Valley of the Lesse in Rochefort 1940-01-20[119]
Bosnia and Herzegovina −42 °C (−44 °F) Veliko Polje on the Igman plateau 1963-01-24[citation needed]
Bulgaria −38.3 °C (−37 °F) Tran 1947-01-25[44]
Croatia −35.5 °C (−31.5 °F) Čakovec 1929-02-03[45]
Czech Republic −42.2 °C (−44.0 °F) Litvínovice 1929-02-11[46]
Cyprus -12.8 °C (8.96 °F) Troodos January 3, 1964[17]
Denmark −31.2 °C (−24.2 °F) Thisted Municipality, North Denmark Region 1982-01-08[47]
Estonia −43.5 °C (−46.0 °F) Jõgeva, Jõgeva County 1940-01-17[48]
[color=#0000FF] Finland −51.5 °C (−60.7 °F) Kittilä, Lapland 1999-01-28[120][/color]
France −41.0 °C (−41.8 °F) Mouthe, Doubs 1985-01-17[121]
[color=#0000FF]Germany −45.9 °C (−50.6 °F) Funtensee, Berchtesgadener Land, Bavaria 2001-12-24[122][/color]
Greece −27.8 °C (−18.0 °F) Ptolemaida 1967-01-27[123]
Hungary −35.0 °C (−31.0 °F) Görömbölytapolca 1940-02-16[53]
Iceland −37.9 °C (−36.2 °F) Grímsstaðir 1918-01-21[54]
Ireland −19.1 °C (−2.4 °F) Markree Castle, County Sligo 1881-01-16[56]
[color=#0000FF]Italy −49.6 °C (−57.2 °F) Busa Fradusta, Pale di San Martino 2013-02-10[124][/color]
Latvia −43.2 °C (−45.8 °F) Daugavpils 1956-02-08[59]
Lithuania −42.9 °C (−45.2 °F) Utena, Utena County 1956-02-01[60]
Macedonia −31.5 °C (−24.7 °F) Berovo, Berovo Municipality 1954-01-27[125]
Malta 1.4 °C (34.5 °F) Malta International Airport 1981-01-29[62]
Netherlands −27.4 °C (−17.3 °F) Winterswijk 1942-01-27[64]
Norway −51.4 °C (−60.5 °F) Karasjok, Finnmark 1886-01-01[65]
Poland −41.0 °C (−41.8 °F) Siedlce, Masovian Voivodeship 1940-01-11[67]
Portugal −16.0 °C (3.2 °F) Penhas da Saúde, Covilhã Municipality
Miranda do Douro 1945-01-16 and 1954-02-05[126]
Romania −38.5 °C (−37.3 °F) Bod, Braşov County 1942-01-25[127]
Russia (European part only) −58.1 °C (−72.6 °F) Ust’ Shchugor, Komi Republic 1978-12-31[52]
Serbia −39.5 °C (−39.1 °F) Karajukica Bunari, Zlatibor District 1985-01-13[71]
Slovakia −41.0 °C (−41.8 °F) Vígľaš-Pstruša 1929-02-11[128]
Slovenia −34.5 °C (−30.1 °F) Babno Polje 1956-02-15 / 1956-02-16 / 1968-01-13[notes 5][129]
Spain −32.0 °C (−25.6 °F) Estany Gento,[130] Lleida 1956-02-02[74]
Sweden −53.0 °C (−63.4 °F) Malgovik, Västerbotten County 1941-12-13[75]
Switzerland −41.8 °C (−43.2 °F) La Brévine 1987-01-12[76]
Turkey −50.3 °C (−58.5 °F) Ardahan Province 1941-01-14[42]
Ukraine −41.9 °C (−43.4 °F) Luhansk 1935-02-08[131]
United Kingdom
England −26.1 °C (−15.0 °F) Newport, Shropshire 1982-01-10[78]
[color=#0000FF] Northern Ireland −18.7 °C (−1.7 °F) Castlederg, County Tyrone 2010-12-24[132][/color]
Scotland −27.2 °C (−17.0 °F) Braemar, Aberdeenshire
Altnaharra, Sutherland 1895-02-11 and 1982-01-10
1995-12-30[78]
Wales −23.3 °C (−9.9 °F) Rhayader, Powys 1940-01-21[78]
North America
Canada −63 °C (−81 °F) Snag, Yukon 1947-02-03[21][98]
Cuba 0.6 °C (33.1 °F) Bainoa, Mayabeque Province 1996-02-18[133]
Dominican Republic −7 °C (19.4 °F) Valle Nuevo, Constanza 1983-01-17[134]
Greenland −66.1 °C (−87.0 °F) North Ice 1954-01-09[21]
Guatemala −11.5 °C (11.3 °F) Olintepeque, Quetzaltenango ?[83]
Mexico −29 °C (−20.2 °F) Rancho Los Lamentos, Chihuahua 1962-01-11[135][136]
Puerto Rico 4.4 °C (40 °F) Adjuntas
Aibonito
Corozal 1989-12-28[137]
1906-02-26[137]
1945-01-19[137][color=#0000FF]
US Virgin Islands 11.1 °C (52 °F) Saint Thomas 1999-11-26[88][/color]
United States
Alaska −62.1 °C (−80 °F) Prospect Creek, Alaska 1971-01-23[138]
United States Contiguous United States −57 °C (−70 °F) Rogers Pass, Montana 1954-01-20[139]
South America
Argentina −32.8 °C (−27.0 °F) Sarmiento, Chubut Province 1907-06-01[140][141]
Bolivia −25.7 °C (−14.3 °F) Uyuni, Potosí Department 1946-08-04[142]
Brazil −14 °C (7 °F) Caçador, Santa Catarina 1952-06[143][144]
[color=#0000FF]Chile −37 °C (−35 °F) Coyhaique Alto, Aisén 2002-06-21[145]
Paraguay −7.5 °C (18.5 °F) Pratts Gill, Boquerón Department 2000-07-13[146]
[/color] Peru −25.2 °C (−13.4 °F) Mazo Cruz, Puno Region 1966-06-30[147]
Uruguay −11 °C (12 °F) Melo, Cerro Largo Department 1967-06-14[148]
Venezuela −11 °C (12 °F) Sierra La Culata, Mérida [149]
Oceania
Australia −23 °C (−9.4 °F) Charlotte Pass, New South Wales 1994-06-29[150]
New Zealand −25.6 °C (−14.1 °F) Ranfurly, Central Otago 1903-07-18[151]
Philippines† 6.3 °C (43.3 °F) Baguio 1961-01-18[152]


Not very scientific I realize - the land makes up a relatively small part of the Earth - but what do you think a person looking at the above information might be able to infer?


#555

Lots of temperature readings there Vay… and…

So, if these “record” temperatures are marginally higher than something from 140 or 25 or 60 years ago. What is it you are trying to say? That we have better instruments now to measure temperatures more accurately? Ah! You may be onto something.


#556

:bravo: :notworthy: You are truly the master of spinning. But riddle me this, spin-master: why would all those allegedly inferior temperature records be so clearly biased towards lower temperatures? Shouldn’t the errors be random? And I love how you poison the well by subtly slipping the word “marginally” in there.


#557

Sorry, you are right. I should not have used “marginally.” I should have used RUN FOR THE HILLS. THE WORLD IS GOING TO END. THE END OF DAYS IS UPON US!!! Of course, one would imagine that you and others of your ilk would scoff any other religious cult which spouted such nonsense while questioning the mental health of the members of its group. Consider yourself scoffed at and your mental health questioned.


#558

Well, I actually haven’t said anything like that, I don’t think, but anyway, I do think being alarmed when a situation is genuinely alarming is a rational reaction. If that makes me “alarmist”, well ok. But as far as “marginally”, first of all how can you tell from this data that the changes have been marginal? The data doesn’t show the previous records - it only shows the current ones. Besides, the difference in global average temperature between the last glacial maximum and now was 4.4-7.2 degrees C. You know… that period when glaciers covered the Earth and human civilization didn’t arise til after? So I don’t think a degree or two in either direction is something to wave one’s hand at.


#559

It is extreme hubris to substitute one’s frail non-expert assessment of a detailed scientific discipline for the consensus of opinion of scientific experts.


#560

Hear hear! (or is it, “Here here!”?) High five on that one. It’s a pleasure to see a hero of mine quoted in this forum. If I say anything that contradicts the known consensus of experts, please make sure to tell me.