Well, I've met thousands of greenies in BC and they don't fit your description very well. I do agree that many of them are a bit flaky. But the idea of class struggle was something I never heard much of, except that it was "Big Business" that didn't want eco regulation. I mean that has a distant ring of class struggle, I guess, but what I heard more was "we have to live in balance with nature".
A lot of these greenies had real jobs too: engineers, business-people etc.
Yeah... we will just leave that as it is then... Yeah... okay then... yup... sure... I really must try harder to appeal to people of logic... Is this the new speak... people OF something? I am laughing but ... to you ... it may appear as something else... perhaps a rant? a hissy fit? I will let you interpret this in any fashion that you see fit... as a person of um... abundant feelings... and as a person of intensely subjective Sartrian perceptions... Yes... here I am again... ranting... or it that a hissy fit? :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Hmmmmm motivations... where to find motivations... gosh... very difficult for me to pick out the motivations in the above two paragraphs... Um... gosh.... still not quite seeing it... feeling a rant... perhaps a hissy fit coming on... gosh.... golly... gee.. um... still not quite there... um... yeah... not seeing it... don't get it... er... anyone offer some help here in solving my dilemma?
So a guy who left the eco movement and gets paid to criticize it happens to be an authoratative source on motivations because, like you, he makes broadly based and somewhat paranoid sounding claims without giving any real evidence. But he agrees with you so he must be an expert?
Makes it sound like just any old guy. This is the cofounder and president of one of the most important environmental NGOs on the planet. Or would you argue that it is not?
sorry, I missed that... where is the "paid" part in all of this?
Well, why does one have ex-ambassadors and ex-politicians and ex-government workers comment on oh ongoing military of foreign policy crises? and why do ex athletes become sports news casters? and why is it that ex CEOs are often interviewed to discuss their respective sectors? Hmmmm, dont' know... can't quite figure this out... because people of "employment" are generally knowledgeable kinda sorta of their respective employment fields sometimes.. maybe kinda sorta?
Not specific enough for you? in your view then, does he need to examine the motivations of each and every person who joined the environmental movement? or as the leader of one of the most important NGOs dealing with environmental issues, would he maybe kinda sorta be positioned to talk about trends? and then shall our president and CEOs henceforth cease and desist talking about political and economic trends because they are "broadly based?"
Hmmm apparently your deficiencies extend to definitions... has he suggested that the people who joined the environmental movement are out to get him? or is he observing their motivations? the ones that you cannot quite figure out, kinda sorta well gosh golly gee... how did he draw that conclusion?
Well, gee golly gosh Big John... we had a fascinating discussion several months back about Occupy Wall Street. How's that working out for you?
No because he was the former leader of a very important environmental NGO. This does not mean that our views will always be in sync but I quoted him because MY MOTIVATION (get it? get it?) is to show that many (not ALL! not ALL!) of the environmental activists are concerned less with environmental issues and more with economic redistribution. And lo and behold, I found someone on the internet who agreed with me and I chose to choose (haha) him because of these reasons and to buttress my views by finding someone from industry or the specific field in question who agreed with me.... as I was asked to do earlier by a certain someone who cannot seem to read very well and who needs everything in all bold and extra super large sized letters before he can read and digest those views...
I am satisfied. And like I said... you like to demand quite a lot but if I were to go through any of your posts, how many links and how much evidence would I find to support any of your views.
Gosh golly gee Big John... I don't know... if you cannot see it, then clear it is not there... kinda sorta how this took a while before you finally saw the light and stopped posting on the Occupy Wall Street motivations? Gee golly gosh... isn't that the exact same sorta kinda discussion we had six months ago where gee golly gosh you could not see how my assertions were correct? but then.... gee golly gosh Big John... why ain't you posting on the wonderful Occupy Wall Street protesters movement thingy sorta thread any more? Huh? Something happen? What's up with that?
Now, global warming and climate change may be serious issues... when we as CF Images finally notes "conduct sufficient scientific enquiry" to determine what exactly is going on. Is it only I who finds it so amusing that the global warming alarmists are now the ones demanding more time for scientific research? as they hedge their comments with "but we still do not know exactly what is happening." Does this sound like the same overconfident group that came marching (haha) out before to state unequivocally that the science was settled and that urgent action was needed? My my my... I could almost sorta kinda yes, hell, I will go on and say it.
I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey Big John... Be sure and come back with something extra awfully intelligent like. I would suggest the use of People OF something again... That has me still heaving with laugther to the point of tears... Seriously, you are the BEST. I LOVE you. I really do.
Well, then, why don't you just provide that link and show in what capacity he is being paid for what work... Might not be quite the same when and if we find out what he is doing... Of course, in the entire history of our discussions, I cannot recall you EVER providing a link to anything to buttress your allegations... Certainly, I have no expectation that you will do the same this time.... You simply don't have the intellectual strength to do so.
Joust? Did you suddenly grow a steed or gain a spear? This isn't jousting... This is outreach to the local kindergarten for job day. Now, drink your milk and get ready for your nap.
Ew. That was awfully weird... I mean you have been lazy and stupid to date but never weird like this. Jesus man... you have enough less than desirables... let's not go down this road... kindergarteners should not have such thoughts... it is like watching little girls maxed out on the makeup for seven-year old pageants... Stop. Just stop. I could pass this kind of sick and twisted language over to whatever kindergarten you are teaching at... might not want to keep you hired after that... Nap time... not such a good idea... You may be forced to have a monitor...
Yeah... you keep repeating that... and I suggest that you do so with your fingers in your ears... It seems to work better that way OR you could step up to the plate and post a link or information on anything... Yeah... better stick to sticking your fingers in your ears while saying... lalalalalalalala I can't hear you lalalalaalalalalal I can't hear you... lalalalalalal I can't hear you...
Just out of curiosity... have you ever taken an IQ test?
Hey Chewy... meet me in the PM section... remember that laugh we had a couple of months ago... There's more... I feel as if I have done 1,000 situps... my stomach is killing me from laughing my ass off...
I wonder what the folks at that bastion of communism, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration have to say. They exist within the US Dept of Commerce which is quite obviously a communist front - after all, commerce and communist share the first 4 letters.
They say that the first half of 2012 has been the hottest ever recorded in the US, at an average 4.5°F higher than average. And that doesn't include temperatures from July where there's been 9 days (so far) of record breaking temps in the ongoing heatwave.
I would say it is a combination of big-government left-leaning bureaucrats, cash-hungry "publish or perish" academics that want to suck hard on the public teet, unaccountable NGO officials that see a long term gravy train, trust fund shit disturbers that want to punish momsy and dadsy, closet Marxists posing as economic nationalists, and the lower stratums of university liberal arts rabble all grouped together in a common cause (I won't say which group I think most alarmists on here belong in! )
Would you trust the pseudo-science and scaremongering of such simians who adhere to such beliefs with a religious fervor of a Salafist? I sure the hell wouldn't! And I'm glad that people such as Moore were able to see such people for what they really are and return to the mainstream (he did help centre-left and centre-right governments in an advisory role after leaving Greenpeace). To me, that illustrates how far from the fringes he came in from and so where so many eco-activists and economic nationalists remain. In other words, Moore grew "the fuck up." Shame so many others haven't.
When you have supplied evidence that Moore is taking money from private industry... Over to you... WE all know how that is going to turn out, don't we?
Trolling? Hmmm never thought of it that way but your refusal to supply any information of your own while constantly demanding it from others... ironically the very subject of your warning to other posters, seems to fit the bill. Yes, I think that you are a troll.
There's nothing wrong with being paid, of course. Doctors get paid, teachers, cops etc. Why not? But the point is that he is being paid to criticize the environmental movement,so he cannot be regarded as a neutral source on it. Again, nothing wrong with taking a position, but it's important to know that he is inherently biased in his public statements on eco issues.
This is interesting and a good advance for the science of global warming. You really would be an idiot to start refuting some of this stuff. It seems we're about two years off knowing wether the weather (nice pun) is man-made climate changes or not. This will certainly help those that need to adapt to the changing climate. Anyway, have a read guys.
Are you sure that you want to use this to attack Moore? It chimes in exactly with what I have been saying about climate change and environmental lunacy as opposed to commonsense balanced solutions. Read on...
Specifically, there are many many areas for further discussion. I am going to choose two...
So this wink wink nudge nudge (didn't disclose his firm's financial relationship as opposed to all the pronouncements and peer-reviewed haha papers that discuss climate change without discussing funding? grants?) is supposed to be enough to get rid of the core precept of his argument which is so often true in environmentalism... PVC is proved to be safe. Alternatives are often more expensive, do not work well and may cause unknown risks themselves. Think of all the effort in the area of biofuels as a "green" solution and how it led to massive deforestation and burning of swamps and forests (all those carbon emissions) to increase the land for oil palms because some idiotic environmentalists without thinking (as always) deemed them to be "greener." Likewise, look at ethanol and then wonder whether it is really better to burn gasoline and oil or corn? especially given how it raised food prices for the poor and also dollar for dollar was probably not as green as the gas used in the first place. So these are many areas where "caring environmental activists" don't think.
Gosh how outrageous of him to do so!!!
Now, looking over this link, I cannot help but notice that all the wink wink nudge nudge stuff is hardly what you would see if I were to say do a search on Al Gore now is it?
Again, I completely agree with Moore. There are practical ways for development and environmental sustainabililty to go hand-in-hand but NOT when a bunch of whacked out radicals are out to fight ANY progress or development. I think that it is most telling that the aboriginal groups of British Columbia want the radical environmental activists GONE. Now, why would that be do you think?
Final comment: This is becoming a discussion of Patrick Moore. The original discussion was whether communist idiots were moving into environmental activism. This is the key concern for my point. I believe that Patrick Moore's comments are still relevant. They are. He is quite right to push for a balance between corporations and let's face it for all the hyper anti-capitalist rants, they still husband resources far better than the alternatives.
AFter all, is it soooo wrong of committed activists like Moore to work with corporations and other organizations to improve the environment? Is this the ultimate sin? that means that his views are NEVER to be accepted?
I don't think that this is the FIRST time that anyone has claimed to be able to link these weather episodes with manmade climate change. In fact, the inability to link any of this and have it stick over the past 20 years is precisely why the average man's faith in the global warming religion has cratered. Oh those heathens going back to their old gods of.... sputter sputter.. PVC and KMART shopping!!!! God damn them!!!!
And after all of that ALL OF THAT we find out that most weather incidents like floods are caused by action on the ground... and then... the conclusion after all of this is that it is an open question and too early to be able to say... Okay, nothing to see here... let's move on...