[quote=“fred smith”][quote]I can understand planned economies, but planned weather? What doe the Commies have to do with global warming? Yet another plot?
Possibly a “short” term trend, but the weather windows for long distance sailing have changed quite significantly over the last 30 years. More frequent and more severe storms are appearing outside the usual seasons. This is well documented by route planners.[/quote]
No. It is that those who once supported Communism moved effortlessly into radical militant environmentalism (hello Joschka Fischer) after communism was discredited and with nary a mea culpa. Same redistributionist policies. Same failed intelligence. Same class resentment and hostility to traditional family values (haha deliberate so deliberate and yet so true…) As to those who claim to have rolled the dice and won or lost, we stood up against Communism and fought it tooth and nail for the evil system that it was while the left sought to accommodate it and to even EMULATE it. Thatcher and Reagan not only rolled it back abroad but also at home… Unfortunately, the good fight was watered down and even Republicans like George W. were opening the troughs to expenditure for “the good of the people.”[/quote]
Communism is a evil system; talk about internal contradictions, inefficiency and inequality! But, I am frankly aghast at the wholesale labeling of basic public goods, infrastructure and other prerequisites for our Great Society with the Socialist label. My god, I never knew my Wharton professors were commies!!!
“good of the people”? I read as "good of the retired, white, bible thumping Republican base that doesn’t understand that Medicade is a government program.
Climate change is a typical low probability high impact event. It’s worth exercising due caution and it is worth ensuring that externalities are correctly priced into the markets.
Most of the people I knew growing up, going to high school and university and in the working world were against the Soviet Union, and believed it was an “Evil Empire”. And now most of these same people are concerned about Global Warming.
When it comes to activists, as opposed to just “regular folk” I have met quite a few lefties to be sure, but the greenest activists were the least Marxist or socialist of the bunch. I’ve met plenty of green capitalists.
I don’t know why Fred insists in living in some sort of cartoon cliche world of commies and free men or whatever, but it bears little resemblance to the world I know.
The world you know? hmmm so many things that one could say…[/quote]
Well, the world I see. Of course we all get some things wrong, and our viewpoint always evolves - or it should. But clinging on as you do to exaggerated dichotomies is hardly the path to enlightenment.
Gosh. Since I have only been criticizing George W.'s spending priorities domestically and their effectiveness, one reallly HAS to wonder about the reading comprehension of most lefties on this forum. Whatcha all from Alabama or something? Ironically, aren’t you the ones who usually have great doubt about Republicans ability to sign their name and such stuff?
[quote=“BigJohn”]Most of the people I knew growing up, going to high school and university and in the working world were against the Soviet Union, and believed it was an “Evil Empire”. And now most of these same people are concerned about Global Warming.
When it comes to activists, as opposed to just “regular folk” I have met quite a few lefties to be sure, but the greenest activists were the least Marxist or socialist of the bunch. I’ve met plenty of green capitalists.
I don’t know why Fred insists in living in some sort of cartoon cliche world of commies and free men or whatever, but it bears little resemblance to the world I know.[/quote]
I was listening to last Friday’s edition of the Randi Rhodes Show (a liberal radio talk show) yesterday, and one of the callers was a Marxist. She tore him a new one demonstrating how Marxism is severely flawed and that capitalism is superior. She said that he was the first Marxist she had ever encountered.
The only communists and marxists I’ve encountered in the US (and I grew up in the SF bay Area) are those antisocial weirdos who set up booths at anti-war demonstrations and university campi. One hand is more than sufficient to count their numbers. They’re the kind who will say “Well, what do you have against communism anyway?” and look like deer in headlights when you mention the gulags and killing fields.
Modern liberals (the overwhelming supermajority) are not communists; we’re not marxists. And the handful of communists there are don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of coming to power or even influencing public policy.
Oh, and by the way, the Soviet and Chinese communists were huge polluters, so I have no idea how this notion that environmentalism = communism came about.
And insert climate change activist in the above and the antisocial weirdos remains the same.
gosh I ran out of hands counting in the leadup to the Iraq war but now you are right! amazingly so! Where are the same protesters and their desire for peace with regard to Libya? Syria? rights in the Middle East following the Arab Spring?
Or Syria… Libya… Arab Spring… Cuba…
Not in name but the anticorporate, anti profit making, anti productive rants are there all the same and THAT is precisely how we can smell the same shit with regard to the climate change alarmist brigade… the same approved statements that are regurgitated by this generations Red Guard… and woe to those who go against them… suddenly then violence and correct thought political intimidation are the norm.
Because they no longer call themselves “communist.” Now, they are “climate change activists” or “economic redistributionists” or those who seek “a fair wage” or those who want a “livable wage” or those who want “social justice” or those who want to outlaw “hate crimes” against x y or z group which as we all know opens the barn door for any and all criticism against the favored (haha) group to be muffled and silenced completely with outraged outrage…
That would presume that much of the claptrap political theory that exists on much of the left is based on rational understanding of anything. The irony is that the very same follies that you revel in with regard to Bible banging Southerners is alive and well and kicking in half-educated San Francisco riot tourists and protest professionals. Get it? See it? smell the coffee?
And insert climate change activist in the above and the antisocial weirdos remains the same.[/quote]
Actually, anti-social would be building an industrial site that runs through a nearby community, and poisons everyone who lives near it with cancer, and not being able to be charged because you lobbied government.
Social would be trying to convince your fellow man that we should do something about obviously extreme temperatures that do silly things like destroy massive amounts of Russian wheat crops, or raise sea-levels to a prospective 70 additional meters in 100 years.
But how could one be shocked that you’ve got something as basic as fucking reality, backwards?
Would you like to cite a few examples to prove that is the case? Seems all any group has to do now is offer the mere suggestion that the same is taking place and a multi-billion class-action lawsuit follows.
So until CO2 came along, there were no droughts? and you have a plan as to do something to stop the rising temperatures? What would that be pray tell?
All you have to do is say denial aint a river in Egypt… go ahead… just say it… :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Koch subsidiary builds factory near river. River becomes poisonous and socializes cancer among a dozen or so people who live along the river. Some of them die. Consequently, exactly nothing happens. Why? Koch Industries, and similar rich folk give so much money to politicians and their opposition that they spend a great majority of their time campaigning for said money, leaving them with less than zero fucks to give, and zero time to give it in.
Fred, it’s kind of annoying having to find information for you that everyone else knows. Do you know how to “research information?”
That’s exactly what the Koch funded climate denying scientist Richard Muller said, until he “researchedinformation.”
