Dating Filipinas

Thanks Ed, you’re right… placement fees do grab a chunk of their salary. Though I do know maids who earn NT$25,000/month, but maybe it depends on which family you go too. Thanks for that additional input.

Anlui, yes, I do share your sentiment. Hopefully, by meeting more educated Filipinos, people would correct their misconceptions of seeing our countrymen merely as menial labourers.

Mother Theresa, yes, I do think that theoretically, it’s harder for Filipinos to find work here legally because a lot of companies couldn’t be bothered with the extra expense of hiring someone AND going through the troublesome process of applying for a work permit for them. However, it does happen. For example, fellow Pinoy Gus works for a multinational corporation and is doing well. A lot of Filipinos I know do technical writing, while others are legally working in the restaurant industry as managers or teaching English (contrary to belief, a lot of Filipino’s English proficiency is quite high. Most people think I’m from California because of my English). Meanwhile, I used to work as a product marketing specialist for a global PC company, and will soon work as a corporate relationship manager for a top-brass equities company. And yes, I’m perfectly legal with an ARC, work permit, a health insurance card and non-crappy pay.

I can’t really speak for every Filipino out there, but maybe I’m just lucky. Finding jobs aren’t that difficult for me and there’s always English teaching as a fall-back position which pays very well. For my previous job, I applied straight out from a newspaper, went for an interview and in a week, was hired. As for my upcoming one, people saw how good I was at planning events and referred me.

So to answer your question, is it extremely difficult for Filipino/as to find good, legal employment here in Taiwan? I think ultimately, finding jobs depends on what you think you’re worth and what you’re capable of. For me, I’d be an awful manual laborer. I wouldn’t even pay me to be a maid. I can’t cook, clean, carry heavy boxes or have the patience to take care of kids. But I do know how to write adequately well, am relatively good with people and great at organiziing events… so I merely bank on these talents.

Specifically, how the heck did I get hired despite being a Filipino? Well, my previous employer had no clue about the university I graduated from so I couldn’t bank on its good reputation. However, they liked the writing and detail-orientedness in the sample articles I gave them so they hired me. Writing btw was the cornerstone of my previous job. With my upcoming job however, my Mandarin skills are adequate and I have the right personality, skills and interest to take on the job so they asked me onboard. Having the confidence and not settling for a menial job merely because you’re Filipino also helped a lot.

In addition, applying for a work permit isn’t that troublesome anyway if your company is willing to sponsor you. For example, as a Filipino, the only difference is my supporting documents (e.g., diploma, transcript, certificate of employment) had to be notarized by the Taiwan embassy back home, which is a long 1-month process, but as good people are hard to find, a lot of companies would go through that trouble just to get you in.

What’s more, Filipino/as come in with a sense of humility and willingness to learn, making us an asset to most bosses. But ultimately, I think getting hired mainly depends on whether you can do the job or not. When people have the confidence that you can get the job done, they don’t care if you’re Canadian, American, Australian, an alien, a monkey or Filipino, they’ll still hire you.

Hope this helps! :slight_smile:

Some great info and insights in this thread - thanks everyone :wink:

I have to admit that one of the major motivators for me to move to Taiwan is my filo friend who lives in Tainan. Im constantly amazed at her affection and sweetness. We talk every day on the phone and internet and send photos, packages etc to each other…

She married a much older Taiwanese man and yes - she is being exploited terribly. She has given him two children (6 and 11 year old) and is forced to work 6 days a week - often well into the night at a factory doing repetitive, hard labour.

Then on her day off, she cleans and cooks all day. What a crap life :frowning:

She came from poverty in the Philipines and was courted by a Taiwanese guy while she was living in a convent. To this day, she dreams of returning to this lifestyle - until I came along of course.

I know the ‘living in a convent’ line sounds like primo BS - but she has shown me photos and seems very devoted to her religion (catholicism)

So I guess im a ‘knight in shining of armour’ of sorts… And I have grown very fond of her over the last few months.

She is still married, but I hope to continue my friendship until her husband kicks the bucket (soon - he has terminal cancer) and then perhaps try a relationship with her.

Regardless of what happens, I have been introduced to a new culture and have made a new friend. Would love to meet more filipino people when I move to Taiwan :slight_smile:

Oh dear. One word of advice, do not under any circumstances help his terminal cancer along.

HG

Haha… yes I have heard all of the horror stories from my friends and colleagues…

She would divorce him, but then apparently he would get the kids? Is that entirely true?

Ive told her that Im seeing a girl here in Australia, so I have that backup plan if (a) She hands me a knife and gives me orders to kill or (b) she is insane…

Yes, and if she hasn’t taken out permanent residence, she would also be deported sans kids. Come to think of it, if he dies and she isn’t a permanent resident, she will be deported.

HG

Hi HG

I was bewildered by that law - In Australia the kids normally go to the mother in divorces…

She has PR in Taiwan, been there for 11 years now…

I wonder how many other people have fallen for the ‘knight in shining armour’ syndrome?

All said and done - it would be much easier for me to just meet a nice girl that doesn’t have kids already and is not already married!

Mahal Kita!

I am bewildered by that law, of course it used to be the same in the US but in some states like CA fathers groups have managed to make some changes where the dad has the same rights as the mom.

Ah well they should do what I do. Being raised a catholic it’s much better to sneak into the confessional and hear their confessions. It’s a great past-time.

If only you knew :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

to share a personal experience. Met a nice phillippina at internet cafe (she missed the last bus home and i was bored and online in the wee hours at a cafe cuz at home is even more boring). We went to a MTV to watch a movie. And in the two weeks i was there, we had a great time. Thing was she was ready for me to marry her and take care of her two kids in the PHillippines . But im not ready for an instant family after only 2 weeks, no matter who she is !!

She had been working as a maid but now illegally as her ARC had expired. Has great hours, working for two or more employers. And made good money to support her two kids back home. Many phillippinas are in truly a bad way. Her two kids are from the same man who wont marry her. Shes lived abroad as a maid almost the entire life of her kids so far (11 and 9). They are with their father and she provides the needed money. What a life !! NO wonder she is looking for someone to marry who can provide for her and allow her to live with kids.

After i left i kept in touch for awhile by email. And she was looking online for someone from the USA to sponsor her and the kids. And she got arrested and thrown in jail (for overstaying visa) for about six months and then deported to the phillippines too !! Then i lost contact with her.

A lot of phillippinas on Taiwan ARE maids and have sad stories to tell !!

She was a great person and fun to be with tho. And i wouldnt hesitate to date a phillippina girl there. ONly problem was WE sure got a lot of people staring at us !!! IT was even worse then she alone or i alone. EVERYONE was looking at us ALL the time. haha Kinda fun in a way.

Iv noticed that this thread attracts very little attention in this forum. I guess by far the majority of people here are either dating Twinky (Taiwanese) ladies or Western ladies. And it is certainly a rare person who dates phillippinas. Due to their largely being unavailable perhaps? Because of their long work hours, etc?

I did notice that in the two weeks (just before i left Taiwan) where i dated a phillippina? People STARED at us. I get the feeling that Taiwanese are used to seeing furriners with their local chicks but sure cant figure you out if you have a phillippina under tow?? I felt even a slight sense of discomfort sometimes ? I get the feeling the Taiwanese would RATHER you had a twinky under tow?

Im a bit worried about that too to be honest…

Although after dating a 22 year old Thai girl here for the last few months, Im used to getting scornful looks from narrow minded/bigoted people. Usually older folks…

Is it like Japan in Taiwan where the locals feel that they are ‘better’ than other asian races? Perhaps its just the Taiwanese love for gossip, and their fevered imaginations are going crazy imagining all of the sordid things that you two were getting up to :wink:

Having said that… I am having some second thoughts about my Pinay friend in Tainan. She has started to try and manipulate me using emotional blackmail and I cant stand that kind of headf*ckery…

Eg: If im not online, its assumed that I dont love her, and life is simply not worth living. Its even reached the stage a few times when she has threatened suicide (according to her friend, this is a common threat)

So at the moment my thoughts are to just go to Taiwan and be myself, if some lucky lady falls for my questionable charms - so be it! But I will be very careful around the emotional Pinay and take things very slowly…

Sounds like you had a good 2 weeks Tommy. You are lucky that you didnt get sucked in to the marriage/support family of 16 people trap :wink:

[quote=“tommy525”]Iv noticed that this thread attracts very little attention in this forum. I guess by far the majority of people here are either dating Twinky (Taiwanese) ladies or Western ladies. And it is certainly a rare person who dates phillippinas. Due to their largely being unavailable perhaps? Because of their long work hours, etc?

I did notice that in the two weeks (just before i left Taiwan) where i dated a phillippina? People STARED at us. I get the feeling that Taiwanese are used to seeing furriners with their local chicks but sure cant figure you out if you have a phillippina under tow?? I felt even a slight sense of discomfort sometimes ? I get the feeling the Taiwanese would RATHER you had a twinky under tow?[/quote]

I almost fell for a Filipina when I was living in Cali but I just couldn’t handle the Catholicism. I’m a good old-fashioned cynical atheist and I could never truly connect with someone whose life ultimately revolves around their religion. I have a great Filipina friend I don’t see nearly often enough who tries to teach me Tagalog, but again I could never dream of anything more than friendship with her. As a friend she knows not to talk with me about religion but how could any relationship last longer than a week when you’re not allowed to discuss a huge chunk of your life with your partner?

I went out with a Southeast Asian girl in Taipei a few years back and nobody really seemed to notice. I dated an American girl briefly and got more stares than ever - I don’t think it’s the interracial thing, just that two foreigners holding hands are exponentially more stareworthy than one. Now I have a Taiwaneezy gf and occasionally get the evil eyes but at least she teaches me lots of foul Taiwanese to shout when people do stare.

If you want to read more about the plight of Filipinas and other women of the Third World.
Global Woman: Nannies, Maids, and Sex Workers in the New Economy
Go to this link: arlindo-correia.com/161203.html

What do you say to the people of the world who have typecasted filipinos as nannies?

A Filipina replied, “I take no offense on being typecasted as a nanny. But i do take offense that the educated people of the world have somehow denegrated the true sense and meaning of what a nanny is.”

She further elaborated: “Let me tell you what she is. She is someone who gives more than she takes. She is someone you trust to look after the very people most precious to you - your child, the elderly, yourself. She is the one who has made a living out of caring and loving other people. So to those who have typecasted us as nannies, thank you. It is a testament to the loving and caring culture of the Filipino people. And for that, I am forever proud and grateful of my roots and culture.”

[quote=“honeybums”]If you want to read more about the plight of Filipinas and other women of the Third World.
Global Woman: Nannies, Maids, and Sex Workers in the New Economy
Go to this link: arlindo-correia.com/161203.html

What do you say to the people of the world who have typecasted filipinos as nannies?

A Filipina replied, “I take no offense on being typecasted as a nanny. But i do take offense that the educated people of the world have somehow denegrated the true sense and meaning of what a nanny is.”

She further elaborated: “Let me tell you what she is. She is someone who gives more than she takes. She is someone you trust to look after the very people most precious to you - your child, the elderly, yourself. She is the one who has made a living out of caring and loving other people. So to those who have typecasted us as nannies, thank you. It is a testament to the loving and caring culture of the Filipino people. And for that, I am forever proud and grateful of my roots and culture.”[/quote]

the role of a nanny is indeed extremely important and i for one do not in any way feel that its disgraceful to be a nanny?? Or a maid or domestic helper. Noble endeavors.

[quote=“pubba”]

She would divorce him, but then apparently he would get the kids? Is that entirely true?

…[/quote]

Although in most custody cases here in Taiwan, the kids go to mother, it is not so when a foreigner is involved.

The last Kaohsiung director of MECO was Romulo Salud. He, and another Fiilpino lawyer had dealt with many such cases over the years. In their experience 100% of the Filipinas who divorced their Taiwanese husbands went home, maybe with some compensation money. And, because of labor laws, immigration policies, etc – many of them do not get a chance to see their children again. And the Taiwanese can change address, phone number, and the name of the child.

Sorry to the Taiwanese here, but I will be frank and say that whenever I meet Filipinas I always try to warn them against marrying Taiwanese.

[quote=“TaiwanTroll”]I am Catholic too so it all works out.

I think it is frowned upon because some people see it as exploitative, since Filipinas are generally poor and hold menial labor jobs here. But that, in my opinion, is a bias based on bigotry. The Taiwanese are, in general, very bigoted with respect to Filipinas, Indonesians and Thais. When I was dating a Filipina girl and I went to visit her the locals were dumbfounded when they saw us together. I was advised by other foreigners and people at my school, not to date her because it could reflect poorly on my character and reputation. They just could not understand why I would want to date a ‘maid’. A shame. If they only knew.

Taiwantroll[/quote]

The mother of my student offered to watch my daughter. I would go to teach her son and daughter and my daughter would come along. On a few occasions I took her up on her offer. One of those times I left my daughter with her for about an hour and a half while I went out with two Filipina friends. Later I showed up with them to pick up my daughter.

I thought everything was fine. However I didn’t expect her to report events to my ex-wife. That is when I realized that my student’s mother thought there was something really wrong with me for socializing with Filipinos.

There are many Taiwanese who snicker when someone mentions “Filipina” and the next thing you hear is a racist joke etc. There are, however, Taiwanese who make friends with Filipinos and stick up for them but they are a small minority. There must be more in the future since now there are so many Filipino-Taiwanese (one parent Filipino and one Taiwanese).

[quote=“tommy525”][quote=“honeybums”]If you want to read more about the plight of Filipinas and other women of the Third World.
Global Woman: Nannies, Maids, and Sex Workers in the New Economy
Go to this link: arlindo-correia.com/161203.html

What do you say to the people of the world who have typecasted filipinos as nannies?

A Filipina replied, “I take no offense on being typecasted as a nanny. But i do take offense that the educated people of the world have somehow denegrated the true sense and meaning of what a nanny is.”

She further elaborated: “Let me tell you what she is. She is someone who gives more than she takes. She is someone you trust to look after the very people most precious to you - your child, the elderly, yourself. She is the one who has made a living out of caring and loving other people. So to those who have typecasted us as nannies, thank you. It is a testament to the loving and caring culture of the Filipino people. And for that, I am forever proud and grateful of my roots and culture.”[/quote]

the role of a nanny is indeed extremely important and i for one do not in any way feel that its disgraceful to be a nanny?? Or a maid or domestic helper. Noble endeavors.[/quote]

It’s far worse than that if you think about it. Basically anything considered “women’s” work is unfortunately generally low paid and disdained. Nanny, nurse, teacher, prostitute . . . . At the lower end of the economic pecking order, the disdain is sharper.

You can always remind the Taiwanese, as I like to, that it was there grandmas that were scrambling to get themselves to Flipland as nananies when the economic shoe was on the other foot. Things change. Perhaps the grandkids will be equally eager one day for a few pennies dusting the floors of Manilla. It aint an unreasonable prospect.

HG

[quote=“Huang Guang Chen”][quote=“tommy525”][quote=“honeybums”]If you want to read more about the plight of Filipinas and other women of the Third World.
Global Woman: Nannies, Maids, and Sex Workers in the New Economy
Go to this link: arlindo-correia.com/161203.html

What do you say to the people of the world who have typecasted filipinos as nannies?

A Filipina replied, “I take no offense on being typecasted as a nanny. But i do take offense that the educated people of the world have somehow denegrated the true sense and meaning of what a nanny is.”

She further elaborated: “Let me tell you what she is. She is someone who gives more than she takes. She is someone you trust to look after the very people most precious to you - your child, the elderly, yourself. She is the one who has made a living out of caring and loving other people. So to those who have typecasted us as nannies, thank you. It is a testament to the loving and caring culture of the Filipino people. And for that, I am forever proud and grateful of my roots and culture.”[/quote]

the role of a nanny is indeed extremely important and i for one do not in any way feel that its disgraceful to be a nanny?? Or a maid or domestic helper. Noble endeavors.[/quote]

It’s far worse than that if you think about it. Basically anything considered “women’s” work is unfortunately generally low paid and disdained. Nanny, nurse, teacher, prostitute . . . . At the lower end of the economic pecking order, the disdain is sharper.

You can always remind the Taiwanese, as I like to, that it was there grandmas that were scrambling to get themselves to Flipland as nananies when the economic shoe was on the other foot. Things change. Perhaps the grandkids will be equally eager one day for a few pennies dusting the floors of Manilla. It aint an unreasonable prospect.

HG[/quote]

Who knows…maybe it could end up that way again…some say

[quote=“SuchAFob”]Dating people based on race or nationality is so smart. And it’s a turn on too. I love it when local guys want to date me cuz I’m waiguoren.
You get slammed for it because you are choosing based on race. Not because of the race you choose.[/quote]

While I can see what you are saying there is no denying that a cultural group would have commonalities, perhaps he finds certain shared aspects of Philippine culture attractive, esp in a mate.

He may have stated his idea better.

[quote=“SuchAFob”]Dating people based on race or nationality is so smart. And it’s a turn on too. I love it when local guys want to date me cuz I’m waiguoren.
You get slammed for it because you are choosing based on race. Not because of the race you choose.[/quote]

While I can see what you are saying there is no denying that a cultural group would have commonalities, perhaps he finds certain shared aspects of Philippine culture attractive, esp in a mate.

He may have stated his idea better.

For instance some local guys may find occidental women sexy because of their more open and aggressive attitudes in comparison with some of the local girls. Or maybe they find you attractive because they enjoy being with a woman who is not a 24 year old acting like a 11 year old hello kitty doll.

Stereotypes can be an ugly thing, but there are also a reflection of how our culture is perceived en mass by others: the good the bad and the ugly.

Maybe?