Hillary Clinton Used Personal Email at State Dept., Possibly Breaking Rules

I’m voting for Donald.

An excellent choice. Now THERE’S a man who never did anything illegal or unethical.

So he has criminal convictions then? Guess not otherwise he wouldn’t be running for POTUS.

So he upsets the PC brigade and says what he thinks. At least unlike others he doesn’t hide it.
When did ethics become a requirement for POTUS. I guess you can say any President has ethics problems.

JFK? Does he pass your ethics test?

Nixon?

Bush?

If Trump becomes president I’m hoping he’ll offer free tuition at Trump U. A clown school grad degree would make a fine addition to the resume.

Perhaps you are just bitter Trump is better educated and does better than people on forumosa. Yes he has his faults but tell me what business leaders have never been accused of being unethical?

People whinge that Gates bought DOS from a programmer, Steve Jobs was a tyrant. Didn’t stop them being successful in business.

But that is the question. Has Trump been successful in business in the entrepreneurial, job-creating, wealth-creating sense or only in that he has been able to leverage his involvement/investments to declare bankruptcy multiple times in multiple different ways that leave him better off but all those who invested in his schemes poorer and in many cases jobless? I am asking.

[quote=“Mick”][quote=“BrentGolf”]
Well you’re nothing if not consistent Mick. Anytime someone disagrees with you (for very good reasons every time by the way) you try to say some shit about how they don’t understand the issue. Yes Mick, THAT’s the problem. It’s only because they aren’t as informed as you are. If they were, everybody would obviously agree with you right? :roflmao:

Jesus, who cares. She very likely has a country to run soon. I don’t give a rats ass about how she conducts her emails or how many blowjobs her husband got. All I care about is getting the least bad of a multitude of bad choices in the White House so perhaps America can take a few steps in the right direction for a change…[/quote]

Or how many women her husband raped and how many women Hillary intimidated and shut up. Or how many lies she tells even to the faces of relatives morning the loss of their loved ones as their caskets are carried in front of her. Or that shes a warmonger going against advisers and armed the “rebels” perhaps you should ask the Libyans how they feel about a Clinton presidency, because the ones I hear from wish she would fall off the edge of a cliff.

I got it, she’s a Democrat and Democrats are better than Republicans. At least that’s been their MO and rationale to explain to the electorate why they should be elected. Although with Hillary Clinton, they are going to push that axiom to it’s limits.

Lastly, the emails, if you don’t understand why apparently emails from Sid Blumenthal sent out within hours of being sent on an NSA Secure Compartment Information Facility (called a SCIF ) appeared on a non secure server. Word for word, all of them classified “Top Secret / Special Intelligence.” and you can’t see a problem with that. Then yes you don’t understand the issue.[/quote]

Given how on top of the situation you are I’m down right shocked they haven’t appointed you directly to take her down. You owe it to the world to get this top secret information you have to those in power pronto ! Great riches await my friend.

Although, there is also the tiny possibility that you are completely talking out of your ass and absolutely nothing will come of any of this :ponder:

Perhaps you are just bitter Trump is better educated and does better than people on forumosa. Yes he has his faults but tell me what business leaders have never been accused of being unethical?

People whinge that Gates bought DOS from a programmer, Steve Jobs was a tyrant. Didn’t stop them being successful in business.[/quote]

Business leader? Steve Jobs? Bill Gates? What are you talking about? Donald Trump is one of the most unsuccessful trust fund babies to ever grace our presence. Why on earth are you throwing out names of true successes in the same light?

Trump owned real estate in 1973 that today would be worth over 20 billion alone, along with tens of billions in rental income along the way had he not chose to liquidate his fathers empire and go into bankrupt casino’s, airlines, mortgage companies, food and beverage companies, and eventually land a gig as a “B” class TV personality on a shite show.

Business leader? HUH? :roflmao: Will Paris Hilton also get your vote for President in 2040?

[quote=“BrentGolf”]
Business leader? Steve Jobs? Bill Gates? What are you talking about? Donald Trump is one of the most unsuccessful trust fund babies to ever grace our presence. Why on earth are you throwing out names of true successes in the same light?

Trump owned real estate in 1973 that today would be worth over 20 billion alone, along with tens of billions in rental income along the way had he not chose to liquidate his fathers empire and go into bankrupt casino’s, airlines, mortgage companies, food and beverage companies, and eventually land a gig as a “B” class TV personality on a shite show.

Business leader? HUH? :roflmao: Will Paris Hilton also get your vote for President in 2040?[/quote]

Yeah, your talking points are pretty much refuted Brent. Take a read on some threads.

reddit.com/r/theydidthemath … of_donald/

I think it is important people make an effort not to just regurgitate that latest bit of crap floating around the internet. “Trump owned real estate in 1973 that today would be worth over 20 billion alone” I hope you do more due diligence checking where you put your investors money than you are doing with “facts” relating to Trump. Was a rolling on the floor emoticon perhaps obligatory here? s I’m not feeling your argument has merit, I’m not seeing substance back up your rhetoric and the whole argument “Trump is such a looser, he only has 4 billion dollars” or whatever is about as daft as it gets.

Perhaps you are just bitter Trump is better educated and does better than people on forumosa. Yes he has his faults but tell me what business leaders have never been accused of being unethical?

People whinge that Gates bought DOS from a programmer, Steve Jobs was a tyrant. Didn’t stop them being successful in business.[/quote]
Bad news. Trump Univrsity has – yeah, you got it – gone bankrupt. Now if you want to learn the secrets of Donald Trump’s wealth creation prowess you’re just going o have to elect him president to find out.

[quote]
On August 24, 2013, the State of New York filed a $40 million civil suit against Trump University (which had largely ceased operations in May 2011) alleging illegal business practices and false claims made by the company. Donald Trump denied the allegations, claiming the school had a 98% approval rating and said New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman was “a political hack looking to get publicity.”

Schneiderman described Trump University as a bait-and-switch scheme and pointed to the fact that the organization was not a university. Schneiderman accused Trump of misleading more than 5,000 people to pay up to $35,000 to learn his real estate investment techniques.

In an infomercial, Trump claimed to have “handpicked” Trump University’s instructors. He testified in a 2012 deposition, however, that he never selected the instructors for the program.

In October 2014, a New York judge found Trump personally liable for operating the company without the required business license. In February 2016, Trump suggested the lawsuit had benefited from the Hispanic ethnicity of the presiding judge.Shortly thereafter Schneiderman described Trump’s remarks as “racial demagoguery.”

In a separate class-action civil suit in mid February 2014, a San Diego federal judge allowed claimants in California, Florida, and New York to proceed. A Trump complaint alleging that the state Attorney General’s investigation was accompanied by a campaign donation shakedown was investigated by a New York ethics board and dismissed in August 2015. Trump also filed a $1 million defamation suit against former Trump University student Tarla Makaeff, who had spent about $37,000 on seminars, after she joined the class-action lawsuit and publicized her classroom experiences on social media. Unable to prove malice, Trump University lost an anti-SLAPP lawsuit (under statutes designed to thwart legal intimidation of class-action participants) and was ordered by a federal judge in April 2015 to pay Makaeff and her lawyers $798,774.24 in legal fees and costs. In 2013 the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the judgment, noting that “victims of con artists often sing the praises of their victimizers until the moment they realize they have been fleeced.”

Despite Trump’s claim to have won much of the lawsuit, as of February 2016 all three lawsuits are still pending. While the plaintiffs want the trial to occur in June or August 2016, Trump’s attorneys are pushing to postpone the trial until after the presidential election.[/quote]

This part bears repeating: "2013 the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the judgment, noting that “victims of con artists often sing the praises of their victimizers until the moment they realize they have been fleeced.”

Expose on Republican Clinton:

[quote=“Mick”][quote=“BrentGolf”]
Business leader? Steve Jobs? Bill Gates? What are you talking about? Donald Trump is one of the most unsuccessful trust fund babies to ever grace our presence. Why on earth are you throwing out names of true successes in the same light?

Trump owned real estate in 1973 that today would be worth over 20 billion alone, along with tens of billions in rental income along the way had he not chose to liquidate his fathers empire and go into bankrupt casino’s, airlines, mortgage companies, food and beverage companies, and eventually land a gig as a “B” class TV personality on a shite show.

Business leader? HUH? :roflmao: Will Paris Hilton also get your vote for President in 2040?[/quote]

Yeah, your talking points are pretty much refuted Brent. Take a read on some threads.

reddit.com/r/theydidthemath … of_donald/

I think it is important people make an effort not to just regurgitate that latest bit of crap floating around the internet. “Trump owned real estate in 1973 that today would be worth over 20 billion alone” I hope you do more due diligence checking where you put your investors money than you are doing with “facts” relating to Trump. Was a rolling on the floor emoticon perhaps obligatory here? s I’m not feeling your argument has merit, I’m not seeing substance back up your rhetoric and the whole argument “Trump is such a looser, he only has 4 billion dollars” or whatever is about as daft as it gets.[/quote]

What on earth are you talking about? It has nothing to do with Trumps cash inheritance after his father died. That’s small potatoes compared to the real wealth. Trump took over the business in the 70’s which has filings showing ownership of over 15,000 apartments and at least 5 commercial real estate properties as well as a boat load of cash. Those would now be worth over 20 billion. And care to calculate what the rental income is on 15,000 apartments in Brooklyn and Queens? He is also on record in 1973 stating himself, and Forbes backs up his claims, that he was worth 200 million in 1973. Of course Trump being Trump said it’s “probably more” In case you weren’t aware, when wealthy people take over companies like Fred Trumps, their own net worth becomes intermingled with their company.

Nobody is saying Trump actually should have invested the money in an S&P index fund. The money wasn’t money, it was value, namely an absolutely enormous real estate empire built by Fred Trump that Donald pissed away. The comparison is called a benchmark, not a literal comparison of what he should or could have done.

Anybody out there can do the math on Trumps “success” and realize that it’s a complete sham. He underperformed every single real estate market in the world, as well as every major stock exchange in the world, as well as about a million of his trust fund baby peers.

If you Mick were born to the Trump family and took over the biz in 1973, you’d have way more money than Donald does today. Of course feel free to disagree. Feel free to state that you think Trump is a better investor than you are. :roflmao:

I linked a thread for you Brent because I am not really interested to get into a back and forth of what Donald Trump may have earned, how much he had, when he had it is sketchy. Heres a couple more,

quora.com/Did-Donald-Trump- … kable-rate

reddit.com/r/PoliticalDiscu … _had_just/

It seems clear he has been involved in multiple failed projects, I’ll give you that lest you think I am taking a a position where i am trying to defend Trump and we are somehow opponents in a debate. Maybe he has 2 billion or 10 I really couldn’t care a less, Anyway, no one is coming up with the numbers you do and when they do around his wealth, it comes with a bunch of counter points, taxes, living expenses, what he inherited had to be split between himself and 3 siblings.

Thats why I linked you to a subreddit called /r/theydidthemath because they love going into all the details surrounding the math and it’s not exactly a Donald trump friendly place. Both good and bad discussed. You’re welcome to your opinion however and this seems to be your favorite taking point with regards Donald Trump. Trust fund baby? yeah he is that, theres a ton of bad things to say about Trump.

The establishment Republicans and democrats despise him, and that makes voters who hate they system and what they perceive as a bunch of corrupt politicians gaming the system for corporations happy. The people who support Trump despise Washington, the fact Washington despises Trump pleases them, because the only say they have with regards who gets to run things, is their vote and their vote this time is someone who is not one of political elite.

Back to the Hillary and email discussion. I have always wondered why this discussion has focused on the “secrets” of any “classified” emails rather than the issues involving potentially conflict of interest with regard to work on/for the Clinton Foundation. Again, this is never going to get legs so maybe time to bury this “story?”

The FBI are investigating that too. Clintons are a shady shady family, corrupt to the core. She’s not even planning to shut it down as she runs for president, meaning it will continue to operate as a means to funnel money into their pockets in return for favors if she gets elected President of the most powerful country in the world. Bernie drew the line at speaking fees from Goldman and Sachs, whoever the Republican candidate is won’t be so polite, if it’s Trump he’s already set the theme with “Corrupt Hillay” as his new nickname.

All incorrect. Taxes, living expenses etc are all covered many times over by the tens of billions in rental income from 15,000+ properties he would have had if he didn’t strip his dad’s company and do a 180 in a totally different direction. As far as inheritance, there was no splitting of the company between his siblings. The cash inheritance came many many years later and was likely split evenly between siblings, but has nothing at all to do with the company he himself took over in the 70’s. Fred Trump didn’t die that long ago. Who cares what inheritance Trump got when he finally did? Lastly, many people have done calculations on Trumps history and have come to the same or even more disturbing conclusions that I have about just how miserably he managed his fathers enormous empire after taking the reigns. There are ways to ignore it of course, but just saying it’s not there doesn’t actually mean it isn’t.

Agree completely. It seems silly for people to focus on the email thing which is basically a non issue other than being embarrassing that she didn’t know better. The Clinton Foundation and tens of millions of dollars earned since 2014 is where people should be focusing their efforts if they want to make her look bad. On the other hand, many very wealthy and connected people are probably slaving day and night digging through it all and they don’t seem to have found anything particularly damning yet. That speaks volumes on it’s own.

[quote]CNN reported:

Some of Hillary Clinton’s closest aides, including her longtime adviser Huma Abedin, have provided interviews to federal investigators, as the FBI probe into the security of her private email server nears completion, U.S. officials briefed on the investigation tell CNN. The investigation is still ongoing, but so far investigators haven’t found evidence to prove that Clinton willfully violated the law the U.S. officials say.[/quote]

And we are off…

Yeah if there was even doubt the Dems would have never gone this far with her. Too much at stake.

Seems like Trump has chosen his Clinton scandal of the week. Let’s see if he has any luck pushing this into the MSM. Interesting timing too as charlesortel.com/ is promising detailed breakdown of the Clinton foundation he has been studying since February 2015 in the coming days.

Trump Calls Clinton Foundation ‘a Scam’

I heard the FBI investigation into the Clinton foundation will likely run longer than the one regarding use of a private server. That in addition to the Judicial Watch lawsuit and evasion of FIOA requests and concealing public records.

Well, finally, someone is looking to the Clinton Foundation. Not a bad idea. I wholeheartedly support it. I will still vote for Hillary but this is her weak point and if she is going to run for president, she has to give some direct answers to these questions. Good!