I'm clueless about the modalities of this forum. I tried to quote someone and it didnt work. The reply functon also doesn't contain quotes. I'm pretty sure we can all figure out what is directed at who and so on, given that we are all educated adults here.
I was asked by the moderation to tone down my replies in regard to mainland chinese behavior so the thread does not become too bashy, so I am sorry that I won't repeat the same things over and over again.
However I will reply to the person who said that they didnt understand the way the Chinese travel - people who take part in such organized yours are ususually not very well educated. I'd say that the people I saw in Taroko were from a small town or the countryside, they somehow got rich, but it certainly wasnt due to their skills or education. So such people all of the sudden come into possession of large sums of disposable income and they want to travel because that's what other do. But they dont have a cognitive apparatus to appreciate what they see. Actually living in China taught me that some hings that I took for granted and thought were universal are in fact not, like appreciation of beauty, arts, music, proportions etc. It's all learned, it's all acquired, it's all cultural. The Chinese understand modernisation in their own special way, they really dont care for the old, concrete and glass are beautiful because they are new, clean and functional, old ruins are not interesting. Too little time has passed between them being really artificially and unnecessarily impoverished and the now, when they just want to eat fancy food and shop for some new plastic shit. Add the inability to appreciate pretty much anything else and the lack of cognitive appartus for that and you have a recipe for distaster when you blend a bunch of them with let's say Scandinavians at the Royal Palace in Bangkok. Oh yes, and the overpopulation resulting in pushing, the every man or family on their own resulting in the lack of consideration for others and the food, always the food. So they will run through the palaca laughing at the odd looking sculptures making a lot of noise and because on the other side you have food and shopping! Shiny things!
It takes time. A few generations, usually.