This one is a bit confusing, especially after all the Barry birther stuff.
[quote]Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada, while his parents were living there. His father is now an American citizen, but was not at the time; his mother, however, was born in the United States.
Helpfully, the Congressional Research Service gathered all of the information relevant to Cruzâs case a few years ago, at the height (nadir?) of Obama birtherism. In short, the Constitution says that the president must be a natural-born citizen. âThe weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion appears to support the notion that ânatural born Citizenâ means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship âat birthâ or âby birth,â including any child born âinâ the United States, the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parents who has met U.S. residency requirements,â the CRSâs Jack Maskell wrote. So in short: Cruz is a citizen; Cruz is not naturalized; therefore Cruz is a natural-born citizen, and in any case his mother is a citizen. You can read the CRS memo at bottom; hereâs a much longer and more detailed 2011 version. [/quote]
[quote=ârodeoâ][quote]Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada, while his parents were living there. His father is now an American citizen, but was not at the time; his mother, however, was born in the United States.
Helpfully, the Congressional Research Service gathered all of the information relevant to Cruzâs case a few years ago, at the height (nadir?) of Obama birtherism. In short, the Constitution says that the president must be a natural-born citizen. âThe weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion appears to support the notion that ânatural born Citizenâ means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship âat birthâ or âby birth,â including any child born âinâ the United States, the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parents who has met U.S. residency requirements,â the CRSâs Jack Maskell wrote. So in short: Cruz is a citizen; Cruz is not naturalized; therefore Cruz is a natural-born citizen, and in any case his mother is a citizen. You can read the CRS memo at bottom; hereâs a much longer and more detailed 2011 version. [/quote]
theatlantic.com/politics/arc ⌠us/275469/[/quote]
Is this different from Barry O? I donât seem to think it is, am I wrong?
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[quote=âDeuce Dropperâ][quote=ârodeoâ][quote]Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada, while his parents were living there. His father is now an American citizen, but was not at the time; his mother, however, was born in the United States.
Helpfully, the Congressional Research Service gathered all of the information relevant to Cruzâs case a few years ago, at the height (nadir?) of Obama birtherism. In short, the Constitution says that the president must be a natural-born citizen. âThe weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion appears to support the notion that ânatural born Citizenâ means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship âat birthâ or âby birth,â including any child born âinâ the United States, the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parents who has met U.S. residency requirements,â the CRSâs Jack Maskell wrote. So in short: Cruz is a citizen; Cruz is not naturalized; therefore Cruz is a natural-born citizen, and in any case his mother is a citizen. You can read the CRS memo at bottom; hereâs a much longer and more detailed 2011 version. [/quote]
theatlantic.com/politics/arc ⌠us/275469/[/quote]
Is this different from Barry O? I donât seem to think it is, am I wrong?[/quote]
Obama was born in Hawaii and Hawaii is actually part of the US. So yeah, itâs different.
His mom was a US citizen when they lived in Canada. If she and her husband BOTH became naturalized citizens, then no, I donât believe he would be eligible.
[quote=ârodeoâ]
Obama was born in Hawaii and Hawaii is actually part of the US. So yeah, itâs different.
His mom was a US citizen when they lived in Canada. If she and her husband BOTH became naturalized citizens, then no, I donât believe he would be eligible.[/quote]
Is the eye rolly bit really necessary? Because right now you are either a complete douchebag or someone completely oblivious to the whole birther/Kenya BS.
Lets play a little game then (since you seem so keen for games).
Lets say Donald Trump and all the other RWBHs who were on Barryâs ass so hard about being born in Kenya were correct, and he was born in Kenya. Wouldnât that all be moot because of his mother (as in the Ted Cruz situation)?
So, why arenât the birthers descending on Cruz demanding to see all his âlong-formâ papers, and then refusing to believe him when he actually produces them?
Hypocrites.
I happen to be in a position to know that Barack Obama was born in a stable in a little town called Jerusalem under a shining star.
You just ainât got the evidence and heâs got a second term, suck it up ya weirdoes, what hole do you crawl out of to worry about this stuff!
The idea that a person has to be US-born to be eligible for the Presidency is a fallacy. McCain was born in Panama (though on a US base) and it posed no trouble to his electability. Romneyâs father was born in Mexico and ran for president once, as well.
Yes, and Donald Trump would still be an idiot.
One would think so.
But logical thinking is not a strong suit of the birthers.
[quote=âDeuce Dropperâ]
Lets say Donald Trump and all the other RWBHs who were on Barryâs ass so hard about being born in Kenya were correct, and he was born in Kenya. Wouldnât that all be moot because of his mother (as in the Ted Cruz situation)?[/quote]
His parents would have had to have officially registered his citizenship through a âConsular Report of Birth Abroad.â Given that that had never been done, it would have been an issue.
But thatâs not what anyone was saying or implying of course.
[quote=âDeuce Dropperâ][quote=ârodeoâ]
Obama was born in Hawaii and Hawaii is actually part of the US. So yeah, itâs different.
His mom was a US citizen when they lived in Canada. If she and her husband BOTH became naturalized citizens, then no, I donât believe he would be eligible.[/quote]
Is the eye rolly bit really necessary? Because right now you are either a complete douchebag or someone completely oblivious to the whole birther/Kenya BS.
Lets play a little game then (since you seem so keen for games).
Lets say Donald Trump and all the other RWBHs who were on Barryâs ass so hard about being born in Kenya were correct, and he was born in Kenya. Wouldnât that all be moot because of his mother (as in the Ted Cruz situation)?[/quote]
Only if they didnât file the paperwork.
The is because you are âinadvertentlyâ bringing up the ridiculous birther argument which was proven false about eleventy billion times.
And me? A douchebag? I here I thought you had the patent. Maybe you should just do a google search and read up on something instead of asking online posters you always end up arguing with anyway.
[quote=ârodeoâ][quote=âDeuce Dropperâ][quote=ârodeoâ]
Obama was born in Hawaii and Hawaii is actually part of the US. So yeah, itâs different.
His mom was a US citizen when they lived in Canada. If she and her husband BOTH became naturalized citizens, then no, I donât believe he would be eligible.[/quote]
Is the eye rolly bit really necessary? Because right now you are either a complete douchebag or someone completely oblivious to the whole birther/Kenya BS.
Lets play a little game then (since you seem so keen for games).
Lets say Donald Trump and all the other RWBHs who were on Barryâs ass so hard about being born in Kenya were correct, and he was born in Kenya. Wouldnât that all be moot because of his mother (as in the Ted Cruz situation)?[/quote]
Only if they didnât file the paperwork.
The is because you are âinadvertentlyâ bringing up the ridiculous birther argument which was proven false about eleventy billion times.[/quote]
Donald Trump actually brought it up on a Sunday morning talk show two weeks ago like there was still some conspiracy.
[quote=âDeuce Dropperâ][quote=ârodeoâ][quote=âDeuce Dropperâ][quote=ârodeoâ]
Obama was born in Hawaii and Hawaii is actually part of the US. So yeah, itâs different.
His mom was a US citizen when they lived in Canada. If she and her husband BOTH became naturalized citizens, then no, I donât believe he would be eligible.[/quote]
Is the eye rolly bit really necessary? Because right now you are either a complete douchebag or someone completely oblivious to the whole birther/Kenya BS.
Lets play a little game then (since you seem so keen for games).
Lets say Donald Trump and all the other RWBHs who were on Barryâs ass so hard about being born in Kenya were correct, and he was born in Kenya. Wouldnât that all be moot because of his mother (as in the Ted Cruz situation)?[/quote]
Only if they didnât file the paperwork.
The is because you are âinadvertentlyâ bringing up the ridiculous birther argument which was proven false about eleventy billion times.[/quote]
Donald Trump actually brought it up on a Sunday morning talk show two weeks ago like there was still some conspiracy.[/quote]
Who the fuck cares what DT thinks? Heâs a celebrity who needs the limelight. Itâs his job to stay ârelevant.â Why even give him any credence? :loco:
[quote=ârodeoâ][quote=âDeuce Dropperâ][quote=ârodeoâ][quote=âDeuce Dropperâ][quote=ârodeoâ]
Obama was born in Hawaii and Hawaii is actually part of the US. So yeah, itâs different.
His mom was a US citizen when they lived in Canada. If she and her husband BOTH became naturalized citizens, then no, I donât believe he would be eligible.[/quote]
Is the eye rolly bit really necessary? Because right now you are either a complete douchebag or someone completely oblivious to the whole birther/Kenya BS.
Lets play a little game then (since you seem so keen for games).
Lets say Donald Trump and all the other RWBHs who were on Barryâs ass so hard about being born in Kenya were correct, and he was born in Kenya. Wouldnât that all be moot because of his mother (as in the Ted Cruz situation)?[/quote]
Only if they didnât file the paperwork.
The is because you are âinadvertentlyâ bringing up the ridiculous birther argument which was proven false about eleventy billion times.[/quote]
Donald Trump actually brought it up on a Sunday morning talk show two weeks ago like there was still some conspiracy.[/quote]
Who the fuck cares what DT thinks? Heâs a celebrity who needs the limelight. Itâs his job to stay ârelevant.â Why even give him any credence? :loco:[/quote]
you having a bad day, son?
you are aware the world is awash with conspiracy morons who keep stories like this and all the other dumbass conspiracies alive?
RWBHs (even Mitt Romney) got caught up in the birther shit last election cycle, you arenât even a little curious to see how they act this time around now that it is one of their guys, or should I just expect more saltiness from you?
[quote=âDeuce Dropperâ]
you having a bad day, son?
you are aware the world is awash with conspiracy morons who keep stories like this and all the other dumbass conspiracies alive?
RWBHs (even Mitt Romney) got caught up in the birther shit last election cycle, you arenât even a little curious to see how they act this time around now that it is one of their guys, or should I just expect more saltiness from you?[/quote]
Son? You sure about that? I wonder as you sound a little snotnosed to me at times.
Iâm fine as the day is long. Thank you for asking.
I donât care about the nuts, on either side. Itâs difficult enough to try and keep up with the enormous amount of real news out there to give this kind of stoopidity too much of my time. I try not to do distraction.
No on the salt. Iâll dish it out in equal amounts I think, but not always right away. I just had some saved for you.
Like I wrote first, the information is out there. Realclearpolitics.com had an article or two about weeks ago. Itâs a nonstory, which of course doesnât mean the mouthbreathers wonât gape after it for months, or years.
cheers
[quote]The freshman Republican senator from Texas â and possible 2016 presidential candidate â announced Monday evening he is renouncing the Canadian citizenship that, until just a few days ago, he didnât think he had.
Yes, Senator Cruz was born in Canada, and thus automatically a Canadian citizen. But he was born to an American mother â the former Eleanor Wilson, born in Wilmington, Del. â and that makes Cruz a ânatural bornâ citizen in the eyes of most legal experts. That phrase â natural-born citizen â appears in the Constitution as one of the eligibility requirements for the US presidency.[/quote]
news.yahoo.com/why-texas-sen-ted ⌠31046.html
He was born in Calgary (the most American of Canadian cities) to an American expat and a Cuban Canadian immigrant. Do you know how many Americans live in Calgaryâa hell of a lot?! Lots of natural born Americans being born.
[quote]
Statistics Canada census from 2006 shows that just over 22,000 Americans were living in Calgary at that time. However, the U.S. Consulate estimates the number of Americans currently living in the greater Calgary area is around 100,000, which was initially reported in an earlier version of this story. [/quote]
We could retitle this thread âDumb and Dumberâ.
the birther argument was Dumb and the Cruz counter argument is Dumber.