Iran. It's a done deal


#21

Wow! It is not like any of the players involved in these delicate negotiations are supporting terrorist groups, have plotted to kill an ambassador in another country or have promoted a campaign to foster religious hatred… oh wait… :blush:


#22

Oh, c’mon, America hasn’t plotted to assassinate any foreign officials lately.


#23

[quote]agentsmith wrote
What some people are wondering is why the sudden change in US policy towards Iran? [/quote]

What sudden change? Since Barack got elected in 2008 he’s set out to do what he’d openly promised, in spite of opposition from Republicans, some Democrats, and Israel- make a nuclear deal with Iran.

[quote=“agentsmith”]

nonalignedmedia.com/author/bmar999/[/quote]

“Zionist-dominated”? You mean “those people”? (No, not those “those people”, the other ones.)

-yes, if you mean the Kurds and Baluchis, and bearing in mind one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

-wouldn’t be surprised, nor outraged, since Iran is hardly a beacon of democracy

-not so easy these days; first you have to find someone in the military capable and willing, of which there isn’t anybody in Iran’s armed forces.

-hardly a secret strategy, since it involved the UN Security Council plus, separately, Russia, China, Britain, France, Germany, and the EU as a whole.

-right. Obama won’t even send fighting troops into Libya, Syria, or Iraq, but he’s going to invade Iran?

Who thinks this is “too good to be true”?- certainly not the Iranians.

“Surreptitiously scuttled”? “Surreptitious” is not the word that immediately springs to mind when thinking of Trump, Walker, Graham, Santorum etc., not to mention Bibi.

There’s a lot that’s going on, but “hidden conspiracy” doesn’t describe any of it- everybody’s pretty well got their cards down on the table. (“Oh, sure, that’s what they want you to think…”) :loco:


#24

[quote=“MikeN”][quote]agentsmith wrote
What some people are wondering is why the sudden change in US policy towards Iran? [/quote]

What sudden change? Since Barack got elected in 2008 he’s set out to do what he’d openly promised, in spite of opposition from Republicans, some Democrats, and Israel- make a nuclear deal with Iran.

[quote=“agentsmith”]

nonalignedmedia.com/author/bmar999/[/quote]

“Zionist-dominated”? You mean “those people”? (No, not those “those people”, the other ones.)

-yes, if you mean the Kurds and Baluchis, and bearing in mind one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

-wouldn’t be surprised, nor outraged, since Iran is hardly a beacon of democracy

-not so easy these days; first you have to find someone in the military capable and willing, of which there isn’t anybody in Iran’s armed forces.

-hardly a secret strategy, since it involved the UN Security Council plus, separately, Russia, China, Britain, France, Germany, and the EU as a whole.

-right. Obama won’t even send fighting troops into Libya, Syria, or Iraq, but he’s going to invade Iran?

Who thinks this is “too good to be true”?- certainly not the Iranians.

“Surreptitiously scuttled”? “Surreptitious” is not the word that immediately springs to mind when thinking of Trump, Walker, Graham, Santorum etc., not to mention Bibi.

There’s a lot that’s going on, but “hidden conspiracy” doesn’t describe any of it- everybody’s pretty well got their cards down on the table. (“Oh, sure, that’s what they want you to think…”) :loco:[/quote]

From weapons of mass destruction to Benghazi there have been secret agendas and backroom dealings with overlapping agendas and beneficiaries but Iran is different because why? Because Fox news isn’t reporting it? Right.

Regime change in Iran has been part of US/Israeli foreign policy since 79 and they will continue to use militant groups such as MEK to achieve their political agendas. And I would not rule out a full on war as war hawks have been pushing this aganda for decades.
You can be sure there is more behind this deal other than to ensure Iran doesn’t develop nukes that they never had or were not trying to get in the first place.

“Zionists” meaning the right wing nationalists namely the Likud Party.


#25

The US also wanted to engage in regime change with Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo. I mean what is up with that? EVERY country and EVERY leader is the same so what’s all of this with do this with A but not with B and call for C but not for D… I mean everything is equally interchangeable. All countries and policies are exactly the same. Right?


#26

What are you saying? Hitler’s expansionist policies and socialist ideologies are bad and America/Israeli expansionist policies and ideologies are good? Maybe you agree when war is used for means of obtaining political and monetary agendas of governments and corporations but I don’t.


#27

Yes, we ALL understand your “special” concerns.


#28

Incoherent. Nonsensical. You know what that means:


#29

[quote=“agentsmith”]
From weapons of mass destruction to Benghazi there have been secret agendas and backroom dealings with overlapping agendas and beneficiaries but Iran is different because why? Because Fox news isn’t reporting it? Right.[/quote]

Fine- what is the secret aganda? What are these backroom deals, who is involved, and what are they hoping to accomplish?

That’s a secret agenda? That’s like saying China has a secret agenda of reunifying with Taiwan.

Sure- if Scotty Walker gets elected there’s a pretty good chance. How do I know this? I heard him say it on CNN.

Again, like what? Or will they kill you if you reveal it?

I don’t see anything you have said as being anything that anyone who pays even casual attention to the news would be surprised at or think of as part of a “secret agenda.”

Okay- they were simply wrong rather than being racist.


#30

Only if you’re a conservative and it’s always Munich, 1938.
My favorite is Newt Gingrich characterising the Reykjavik summit this way, with Gorbachev as Hitler and Ronald Reagan as Neville Chamberlain:

And of course in economics it’s always Weimar 1923.


#31

Says the guy that’s trying to equate Greece and America as the same situation :sunglasses:


#32

I think that’s become redundant. For many conservatives, it IS always Munich, 1938, and any opponent is Hitler. And if you’re always making comparisons to Munich, you’re conservative.

Is there a phrase equivalent to Godwin’s Law for bringing up Munich? Or is that already Godwin’s Law? (Not quite, I guess.)


#33

[quote=“MikeN”][quote=“agentsmith”]
From weapons of mass destruction to Benghazi there have been secret agendas and backroom dealings with overlapping agendas and beneficiaries but Iran is different because why? Because Fox news isn’t reporting it? Right.[/quote]

Fine- what is the secret aganda? What are these backroom deals, who is involved, and what are they hoping to accomplish?

That’s a secret agenda? That’s like saying China has a secret agenda of reunifying with Taiwan.

Sure- if Scotty Walker gets elected there’s a pretty good chance. How do I know this? I heard him say it on CNN.

Again, like what? Or will they kill you if you reveal it?

I don’t see anything you have said as being anything that anyone who pays even casual attention to the news would be surprised at or think of as part of a “secret agenda.”

Okay- they were simply wrong rather than being racist.[/quote]

You’re not to be so blind with patriotism that you can’t face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.”
― Malcolm X, By Any Means Necessary


#34

[quote=“MikeN”][quote=“agentsmith”]
From weapons of mass destruction to Benghazi there have been secret agendas and backroom dealings with overlapping agendas and beneficiaries but Iran is different because why? Because Fox news isn’t reporting it? Right.[/quote]

Fine- what is the secret aganda? What are these backroom deals, who is involved, and what are they hoping to accomplish?

That’s a secret agenda? That’s like saying China has a secret agenda of reunifying with Taiwan.

Sure- if Scotty Walker gets elected there’s a pretty good chance. How do I know this? I heard him say it on CNN.

Again, like what? Or will they kill you if you reveal it?

I don’t see anything you have said as being anything that anyone who pays even casual attention to the news would be surprised at or think of as part of a “secret agenda.”

Okay- they were simply wrong rather than being racist.[/quote]
Interesting…a conspiracy theory without any theory :ponder:


#35

[quote=“Cooperations”][quote=“MikeN”][quote=“agentsmith”]
From weapons of mass destruction to Benghazi there have been secret agendas and backroom dealings with overlapping agendas and beneficiaries but Iran is different because why? Because Fox news isn’t reporting it? Right.[/quote]

Fine- what is the secret aganda? What are these backroom deals, who is involved, and what are they hoping to accomplish?

That’s a secret agenda? That’s like saying China has a secret agenda of reunifying with Taiwan.

Sure- if Scotty Walker gets elected there’s a pretty good chance. How do I know this? I heard him say it on CNN.

Again, like what? Or will they kill you if you reveal it?

I don’t see anything you have said as being anything that anyone who pays even casual attention to the news would be surprised at or think of as part of a “secret agenda.”

Okay- they were simply wrong rather than being racist.[/quote]
Interesting…a conspiracy theory without any theory :ponder:[/quote]

thefreedictionary.com/conspire

  1. To plan together secretly to commit an illegal or wrongful act or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.

  2. To join or act together; combine

  3. To plan together secretly to commit an illegal or wrongful act or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.

  4. To join or act together; combine

IE 1959 Iranian coup
Iran contra
Operation northwoods
weapons of mass destuction
Trans Pacific Partnership
ect ect ect ect ect

Back room deals and conspiring with other countries or with ME militant groups is how the US does business and is no secret. Regime change in Iran is still very much on the table and to think this Nuke deal could be part of of a bigger plan would be par for the course as sanctions are not working.


#36

[quote=“agentsmith”][quote=“Cooperations”][quote=“MikeN”][quote=“agentsmith”]
From weapons of mass destruction to Benghazi there have been secret agendas and backroom dealings with overlapping agendas and beneficiaries but Iran is different because why? Because Fox news isn’t reporting it? Right.[/quote]

Fine- what is the secret aganda? What are these backroom deals, who is involved, and what are they hoping to accomplish?

That’s a secret agenda? That’s like saying China has a secret agenda of reunifying with Taiwan.

Sure- if Scotty Walker gets elected there’s a pretty good chance. How do I know this? I heard him say it on CNN.

Again, like what? Or will they kill you if you reveal it?

I don’t see anything you have said as being anything that anyone who pays even casual attention to the news would be surprised at or think of as part of a “secret agenda.”

Okay- they were simply wrong rather than being racist.[/quote]
Interesting…a conspiracy theory without any theory :ponder:[/quote]

thefreedictionary.com/conspire

  1. To plan together secretly to commit an illegal or wrongful act or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.

  2. To join or act together; combine

  3. To plan together secretly to commit an illegal or wrongful act or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.

  4. To join or act together; combine

IE 1959 Iranian coup
Iran contra
Operation northwoods
weapons of mass destuction
Trans Pacific Partnership
ect ect ect ect ect

Back room deals and conspiring with other countries or with ME militant groups is how the US does business and is no secret. Regime change in Iran is still very much on the table and to think this Nuke deal could be part of of a bigger plan would be par for the course as sanctions are not working.[/quote]
Odd that the Iranians have no idea they have just succumb to the great Satan’s plan and the Israelis are doing an amazing job of faking their opposition :laughing:

Again, you haven’t described how we get from this plan to regime change. It doesn’t make any sense. You’re more paranoid than the mullahs.


#37

American has been directly and indirectly over throwing governments and installing puppet governments of decades.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_Un … ge_actions

Syria is in the works and if you think the US of Israel does aspirations for a more US friendly regime in Iran then that makes you a complete simpleton.


#38

American has been directly and indirectly over throwing governments and installing puppet governments of decades.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_Un … ge_actions

Syria is in the works and if you think the US of Israel does aspirations for a more US friendly regime in Iran then that makes you a complete simpleton.[/quote]
Wow, so insightful you are on this grand plan of theirs to take over Iran through nuclear negotiations :unamused:

Funny you quoted me there and yet got no closer to explaining why you think the Iranians are so stupid as to fall for this (as yet undescribed) plan by the US and Israel.


#39

American has been directly and indirectly over throwing governments and installing puppet governments of decades.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_Un … ge_actions

Syria is in the works and if you think the US of Israel does aspirations for a more US friendly regime in Iran then that makes you a complete simpleton.[/quote]
Wow, so insightful you are on this grand plan of theirs to take over Iran through nuclear negotiations :unamused:

Funny you quoted me there and yet got no closer to explaining why you think the Iranians are so stupid as to fall for this (as yet undescribed) plan by the US and Israel.[/quote]

There is obviously political opposition in Iran and a growing number of young people who do not enjoy living under a theocracy. When Iran opens it’s doors for business this will create plenty of opportunity for the US to infiltrate and promote domestic decent .ie color revolution. That’s my opinion at this time.

If you think iran is not susceptible to domestic dissent please explain.


#40

American has been directly and indirectly over throwing governments and installing puppet governments of decades.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_Un … ge_actions

Syria is in the works and if you think the US of Israel does aspirations for a more US friendly regime in Iran then that makes you a complete simpleton.[/quote]
Wow, so insightful you are on this grand plan of theirs to take over Iran through nuclear negotiations :unamused:

Funny you quoted me there and yet got no closer to explaining why you think the Iranians are so stupid as to fall for this (as yet undescribed) plan by the US and Israel.[/quote]

There is obviously political opposition in Iran and a growing number of young people who do not enjoy living under a theocracy. When Iran opens it’s doors for business this will create plenty of opportunity for the US to infiltrate and promote domestic decent .ie color revolution. That’s my opinion at this time.

If you think iran is not susceptible to domestic dissent please explain.[/quote]
Nice straw man there at the end. Your opinion, at this time, is based fully on conjecture.