Kindy teachers. We salute you

A lot of small minded people will claim it’s the last resort of stoned Canadians, desperate South Africans, and the permanently single. However, it is without doubt the most challenging teaching you will ever do in ESL.

Having avoided it for my entire ESL career, I finally tried a lesson as a one off today (nothing to fear from the MOE anymore), just out of interest to be honest. Sixty minutes of hell. I guessed beforehand that that was way too long, but I couldn’t dictate the time. The kids were cute as buttons, but they were all over the place. It was like trying to organise a bunch of drunks.

I cannot believe that you guys do this every morning of your lives. I have nothing but respect for you. The fact that you face deportation every time you step into a classroom simply adds to your nobility in my eyes.

:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

:laughing: It’s easy; all about routines. That’s why it’s hard if you sub or get a new class. I loved it but didn’t want to work illegally.

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the permanently single[/quote]

The sad fact of Taiwan is that you really are going nowhere, career-wise unless you want to get with a local, which is really a shame / a shortsighted policy. Schools prefer someone with a visa over someone with qualifications/experience.

The most challenging teaching I did was six hours of CAE with no aircon, at OFSTED time, or years of completely pointless short IELTS courses in Taiwan. Play-Doh and singing with a bunch of 3 year olds was a blast! :wink:

But I’m 39, quite a bit older than you. I was physically knackered.

I’ve been doing loads of weird stuff lately. Taught 3 kids GEPT elementary writing and speaking last lesson tonight. I thought it was intermediate but found out ten minutes before the class that it was elementary. As you may know, after answering some terrible questions they have to look at a cartoon strip of three pictures and make up a story. It’s beyond ridiculous.

It’s all fun though.

[quote=“tomthorne”]But I’m 39, quite a bit older than you. I was physically knackered.
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Just sit down and start fingerpainting/making snails with PlayDoh. They’ll come and join in. I don’t dance around because I’m too idle. Take it down a level.

I’m not doing it again.

In my kindy classes they spend their time reading and writing. If they mention play-dough I take a stick to them.
The only song they’re allowed to listen to is “The Red Flag”.

Wise, tt.

Songs are great for manipulating their moods/energy levels. I had;

‘Super Songs’ (don’t bother with the book, just the CD)
‘Play’ by Moby
‘The Sound of Music’
‘Don Giovanni’ Mozart.

which covered most eventualities. Get some ‘Wheels on the Bus’ action going, for when youse all feel like like dancing, whack on ‘Porcelain’ for chilling out before naptime, ‘The Lonely Goatherd’ when you want 'em to stick cotton wool on their alphabet books (yeah, yeah, but good for developing their motor skills/concentration).

There’s a fine line between channeling their natural energy and whipping 'em up into a frenzy so that they’re apoplectic by first break. Ups and downs, rhythm, routine, throughout the day. They don’t need too much novelty; their brains can’t handle it and it makes them feel insecure.

I just can’t imagine doing kindy classes as a regular job. I guess it’s like anything, you get used to it after a while.

But I was genuinely shocked today. Is it correct to teach kids that young vocabulary without articles? None of the children I taught were aware of them. I can appreciate the lack of full sentences, but an answer to the question 'What is it?" “Chair.”. I have to admit, I think I really didn’t get what I was supposed to be doing today. I did it for free though, so who’s complaining.

[quote=“tomthorne”]I just can’t imagine doing kindy classes as a regular job. I guess it’s like anything, you get used to it after a while.

But I was genuinely shocked today. Is it correct to teach kids that young vocabulary without articles? None of the children I taught were aware of them. I can appreciate the lack of full sentences, but an answer to the question 'What is it?" “Chair.”. I have to admit, I think I really didn’t get what I was supposed to be doing today. I did it for free though, so who’s complaining.[/quote]

No, it’s completely immoral bullshit with most research after the seventies decrying pre-school early foreign language instruction as a pile of shit that leads to fossilised error and slower learning of native language, when the child does not live in a bilingual household. But it’s a crust, innit? it’s not illegal in Taiwan for no reason, despite most furriners’ insistence that Taiwanese people know nothing about education.

This is it entirely. Just last night, I wrote an e-mail to my girlfriend’s cousin telling her that her concerns about her daughter passing a senior high school entrance exam would not be best met by having me as her teacher. As a short term fix, it’s almost certainly much cheaper and quicker to send her kid to some buxiban that specialises in this kind of thing. The long term ability to learn English may or may not be a different matter. Ordinarily, I’d have taken the if sheep weren’t meant to be shorn, God wouldn’t have given them wool approach, but soon we’re going to be in-laws.

I’m sure that even if you presented a whole bunch of evidence to kindy parents that kindy English is a bad thing, it wouldn’t matter. All you’d be doing would be putting yourself out of a job because they’d just get someone else to do it instead. There was a time up until not too long ago when I would have tried to educate parents/adult students about what might actually be better for them, but now I just tell them what they want to hear. The customer is always right and all that…

The person I know in Taiwan who is achieving his goals best/fastest is a guy who gives people exactly what they want. He always wears a shirt with a collar. He always sings and dances and smiles just how people like him to. He doesn’t have any thoughts or opinions about his role as a teacher, at least not to the people who employ him. He’s in, out and paid. Completely mercenary and largely free of the stress and moral dilemmas most of us suffer from.

This is it entirely. Just last night, I wrote an e-mail to my girlfriend’s cousin telling her that her concerns about her daughter passing a senior high school entrance exam would not be best met by having me as her teacher. As a short term fix, it’s almost certainly much cheaper and quicker to send her kid to some buxiban that specialises in this kind of thing. The long term ability to learn English may or may not be a different matter. Ordinarily, I’d have taken the if sheep weren’t meant to be shorn, God wouldn’t have given them wool approach, but soon we’re going to be in-laws.

I’m sure that even if you presented a whole bunch of evidence to kindy parents that kindy English is a bad thing, it wouldn’t matter. All you’d be doing would be putting yourself out of a job because they’d just get someone else to do it instead. There was a time up until not too long ago when I would have tried to educate parents/adult students about what might actually be better for them, but now I just tell them what they want to hear. The customer is always right and all that…

The person I know in Taiwan who is achieving his goals best/fastest is a guy who gives people exactly what they want. He always wears a shirt with a collar. He always sings and dances and smiles just how people like him to. He doesn’t have any thoughts or opinions about his role as a teacher, at least not to the people who employ him. He’s in, out and paid. Completely mercenary and largely free of the stress and moral dilemmas most of us suffer from.[/quote]

I’m truly trying to become a better teacher and all that. I’ve even gone so far as to pick up a few books in regards to grammar just so I can relearn most of this shit for myself.

The thing that gets me is that no matter how much I care or how much I put forth an effort; it seems like I’m misled from the get go. I’m a bit too much of a nonconformist to work this circuit and wish that I wasn’t. I envy the fuckers who can go ‘mercenary’ on the local buxiban scene. I really do. I need to get paid more than I do and argue or disagree less. Yet I’m not exactly winning allies with the CTs when I battle them.

edit Loretta has been an inspiration for me to learn the ins and outs in relation to the actual psychology behind teaching. My sister is a child psychologist and she is forever giving me the low down on what to do and what not to do. I feel like I’m progressing in my endeavor to becoming a better monkey in this little bubble though I can’t help but feel discouraged no matter how much I put forth.

Monster: I’m actually not trying to improve my teaching at all, especially in the sense of having a better technical knowledge of English. Sure, occasionally, I do look stuff up, but it’s in no way an objective of mine to become a better teacher because I don’t see the profession (and I use the term loosely) as being at the centre of my life or as something that gives me some warm, fuzzy feeling inside.

From my own ability to earn money as a teacher in Taiwan, improving my technical knowledge is unlikely to pay out what I would put into it in time (and possibly money) and I’d also have a huge opportunity cost either directly through lost time that could have been spent earning or indirectly through lost leisure time, which would adversely affect my mood. In practical terms, someone with a PhD in anything vaguely language related does not have a hugely increased earning potential (at least in the private sector), if any at all. At the end of the day, our value to most buxibans is to do with our white, grinning faces and our accents. This may be a bitter pill to swallow, but basically, we’re not there for the grammar instruction, and anyone who says we are (except for very advanced classes) has a screwy business model.

It simply doesn’t make any sense to pay one person twice (or more) as much as another (a Taiwanese person) for the same thing. In the vast majority of cases, it’s much better to outsource the grammar instruction, marking and preparation to someone with lower labour costs. Have a very formulaic system that allows foreign teachers to go in cold and get the job done at the required level (which in most cases is not a high level), and set up the post-class work so that it can be churned through by anyone with university level English for 100NT/hour. This either leaves the foreign teacher in a much happier mood overall (which satisfies the basic requirement of a white face with a big grin) or frees the teacher up to teach more (and thus make you more money in your business). It’s the same reason you don’t have your best heart surgeon taking people’s temperatures in the waiting room.

With all that in mind, my focus is how I can really add value to an employer whilst minimising my opportunity costs and stress from having to grind through something practically anyone could do, which requires a better understanding of the business model of English teaching, not a better understanding of grammar or how to teach it. Better yet, my focus is on how I can be the one making the lion’s share of the money whilst still reducing the costs for the students by cutting out the laoban/middleman as much as possible.

This is especially apparent at kindergarten which isn’t even a legal, secure job. One of my friends runs eight private kindergarten classes for six kids at a time and gets 200NT/child/hour (yes, he makes almost 10,000NT in one day). It’s way more than he would get working at someone else’s kindergarten, and for much less hassle. From the parents’ point of view, they’re probably paying a lot less than they would at one of the big chain kindergartens and their kids are in much, much smaller classes. If he were really enterprising, he’d set up more classes and sub-contract them out.

Anyway, that’s just my take on it, but I think most foreigners are barking up the wrong tree and not realising that they’re being taken for a row of houses (to mix my metaphors) in the process. I think those who are daring enough can rip the guts out of every buxiban or kindergarten within a fifteen minute walk of their apartment. I’d love to see how that would mix things up.

Haha, I took a kindy job once. When I went in to demo, I taught one of the oldest classes there, the kids must of been 5-6, but it was a good bunch and hey the demo was only 20 minutes so I guess that’s the right amount of time before they get restless. I thought to myself, cute kiddies, easy work, this is gonna be great!

First day on the job, I go in half an hour early to collect my books and prep something. Turns out the books aren’t there, so I’ll just have to come up with something myself. No problem. I come up with reviewing the ABC’s, and numbers 1-10, and some simple games to go along with them thinking this will be easy review for the kids. My first class turns out to be a brand spanking new class. Before going in I notice almost every other kid has their parent(s) with them. “No one told me this was gonna be an open house” I thought. I walk in and with the most energy I could muster say “Hello Kids!”. Only to be returned with silence and 2 kids crying. I thought I could get their names out of them, but no one told me this was a new class. So I proceed to ask the question “What’s your name?”, only to be returned with silence again. I turn to the CT and she must of seen the fear in my face, but she didn’t speak a word of English. That sealed my fate, I hated kindy! Within the first week I contacted my recruiter with some story about me finding out teaching kindy was illegal and didn’t want to risk getting caught and being sent home. Never Again!

I’ve been trawling through youtube to watch kindy teachers in action and pretty much across the board kids don’t seem to say anything. It just seems to be the case of the western teacher just rabbiting on about crap at the front of the class. I really just don’t get it at all.

This one is clearly some kind of an attempt at humour, but it pretty much sums up what they are all like. Then again, it could be a HESS training video.

youtube.com/watch?v=d2qEzDlLhDQ

Does anyone have any links to videos of good kindy teachers in action? I’d be interested to see how it can be done well.

I think you’re the most thoroughly cynical poster on Forumosa. And I’m not saying that’s a bad thing.

That’s you, in about, six months.

Kindy is the easiest work imaginable, barring Xmas and Graduation shows. I’ll never take another kindy job again where I have to do those.

Songs, stories, games, etc. When it comes down to it, no matter what your bipolar boss says, its all about making the kids like school and nothing about having them learn English. Because unless the kid is a natural at languages(some kids are and learn English very well from short exposure), nothing short of an immersion program is going to get them speaking English even remotely well. FFS, I have 2 nieces with 3+ years of “English classes” and they can’t tell me their name.

Little Wang doesn’t want to do anything hard, because he never has. Grandma and grandpa do all the hard stuff for little Wang, like feeding him even though he is 6, cleaning up all his toys and getting him whatever he wants in the house. I’ve seen kids nearly have a nervous breakdown from having to learn how to feed themselves.

Kindy is great for the mercenary teacher, because no matter what they tell you, you agree then make a game out of it. I generally spend at least 10 minutes of every 30 minute class singing.

I think you’re the most thoroughly cynical poster on Forumosa. And I’m not saying that’s a bad thing.[/quote]

Haha. I’ve also been described (by Buttercup) as being full of shit. I believe my quote is actually from The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. I tried to find the clip on youtube but couldn’t find it.

That’s you, in about, six months.[/quote]

Haha. I wish. I actually end up giving way more of a shit than I let on. My online persona is that of a horrible prick. :wink:

I remember when the principle told this kid (late baby, youngest son with three elder sisters) his mother would not be coming into class to personally remove all evidence of carrot from every meal he ate. Absolute wipeout!

Back in the Dark Ages when I taught kindergarten briefly, one day, the kids were eating grapes and one kid was whining about the grapes. My CT told me to “open the grape”. I thought she meant remove a bit of stalk still stuck in a grape. Then she showed me. She meant peel the grape. I said to her, “I’m not peeling 44 grapes” and walked off. Who the fuck are these kids? I should have whipped out some uncooked Brussels sprouts and told the little fucker to eat those instead.

Taiwanese people always look at me as if I were abused when I tell them I had to wash and iron my own clothes from the age of 10 up and say something snooty about ‘we prefer our children to study not do housework’. Well, if mothers want to turn themselves into servants because they can’t be arsed to work, leave 'em to it, I say. Rods for their own backs.