Man forcibly thrown off United Flight (with Video)

I think it’s safe to say he made off like a bandit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2017/05/04/family-booted-from-delta-flight-and-threatened-with-jail-after-refusing-to-give-up-toddlers-seat/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_delta-family-320pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.9819f7393c78

[quote]An agent told Schear that unless he complied, he would have to leave the plane, which had yet to take off.

“Then they can remove me off the plane,” he replied.

“You and your whole family?” the agent asked.

“Yeah, that’s fine,” he said.

“So, then, it’s going to be a federal offense,” another agent quickly chimed in, “and you and your wife will be in jail and your kids will be —.”

“We’re going to be in jail and my kids are going to be what?” Schear interrupted.

“It’s a federal offense if you don’t abide by it,” she said.[/quote]

Somebody really needs to inform the American public before anybody else gets hurt that post the “Patriot Act” they’re now living in a police state and no longer have any rights.

lol america

Delta’s got nothing to apologize for on this one.

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How could Americans not know that you’re either with them or you’re an enemy of the state now in this brave new world?

In other words, what used to be handled at the local level for nearly a hundred years of commercial air travel is now a federal offense and you and the kids are going to be renditioned if you don’t do what you’re told.

Patriot Act indeed…slippery slip down and down.

None of this has to do with the Patriot Act. I don’t agree that the Patriot Act should continue 5 years or more after 911. That should be just a temporary measure until other measures have tackled the problem. I have problems with the Patriot Act.

If I get angry, it’s with excessive pat-downs and procedures before boarding a plane. Just this week in Honk Kong, they patted me down and when the buttons on my jeans beeped their beeper, he puts his thumb down my pants to feel the back of my metal buttons to make sure they aren’t I don’t know what. I’m not with that. It seems to me if there is problems with terrorism in the country, it’s because there hasn’t been vigilance some time. 911 happened because Clinton set up a wall of communication between the CIA and FBI and had been weak to respond to terrorist attacks before.

This incident with Delta happens because lower-level managers aren’t clear thinkers and problem solvers, and they substitute force or authority for leadership. I meet with it everywhere — and add to the mix that these days people are just dumber than they used to be — Western IQ is 10 points lower than Victorian times.

Michael Woodley, of the Free University of Brussels, Belgium, claims people’s reactions are slower than in Victorian times, and has linked it to a decline in our genetic potential.

It has previously been claimed that quick-witted people have fast reactions and Dr Woodley’s study showed people’s reaction times have slowed over the century – the equivalent to one IQ point per decade.

Jan te Nijenhuis, a psychology professor at the University of Amsterdam, says Westerners have lost an average of 14 IQ points since the Victoria Era.

Would you feel more comfortable being searched by a woman?

And give HK a break. According to your map in the other thread, they had a terrorist attack not long ago. :eek:

D’oh!

The articles says that before the Patriot Act, officials had leeway with unruly behavior by slapping infractions and fines. The Patriot Act only makes it a felony with arrest. That isn’t the case with Dao or the bathroom guy.

Although in this recent Delta incident, the attendant/manager did mention felony and going to jail, meaning they would use the Patriot Act, but that would be misuse. I agree with the article that the law shouldn’t be misused to arrest just any unruly person if it isn’t being intended to find terrorists.

They should just fine them, but police have always had power to escort someone off the plane like Dao, that isn’t anything new, that isn’t the Patriot Act, that’s just what police do.

Before the Patriot Act you never heard of passenger beat downs and parents being threatened with federal offenses and having their children taken away from them because they objected to seat assignments.

Now that the dust has settled on the Dr. Dao incident what’s interesting to note is that United clearly does have the legal right to beat down any of its passengers any time it wants for any arbitrary reason. Some are still under the illusion that this was a garden variety case of overbooking or that there’s some fine print in United’s contract of carriage which allows it to forcibly claw back its product after selling it to a seated customer because it’s such an inefficiently run organization.

The simple proof that United was within its legal rights is that nobody has been demoted, fired, or charged with a crime over the incident. I also have yet to see any evidence of a 'use of violence clawback" provision in United’s contract of carriage. The governing legal framework of course these days between those who are with the airlines and those who are against them is the Patriot Act and its implicit beatdown-and-gag national security provisions.

And while United did, yes, apologize to Dr. Dao for its violent and arbitrary behavior that’s only because the power of social media shamed it into unilaterally giving back some of the draconian powers the Patriot Act has unpatriotically bestowed on it.

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Great post. Thank you!

Guy

I agree with this

I believe you’re right about this, social media has a strange effect on people. As Andrew mentioned, more people are willing to act up if they know they will be in the spotlight on social media, to help them get wealthy settlements. Otherwise, why, what would be the use in acting so nutsy?

Plus, more people are more interested in getting a hot video to attract followers or hits, than they are stepping in, getting involved in real life to help defuse an incident that could have easily been solved 20 different ways. Where there’s a will; there’s a way. Social media has taken away our will to effect change in the real world. It has made us spectators of life rather than participants. Too much passivity.

There are incidents on airlines with the Patriot Act and I agree with you on that, but Dao is not one of them. In the Delta case, the attendant is getting ahead of herself, obviously getting antsy about being incompetent to solve an issue which is her job to do, if she were being excellent, so she resorts to authority and force. Shame on her.

I agree the Patriot Act needs to be repealed for airlines just because of this incident alone. I have no qualms with the Act if it were actually used to thwart terrorist attacks; but has it ever helped in doing that? I’ve not heard of one case that it has. Then it should be done away with.

You can tell it’s bullshit by the bullshit name they gave it.

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Will he be thrown out off the plane if he is not Asian?

Sorry, but I don’t believe they will throw whoever on that seat or it’s just coincidence that he happened to be Asian.
The image of Asian men in the society of the US is quite obvious.
Feminine, weak, soft, etc. Never complain or fight back when treated unfairly.
Even someone as successful as Jeremy Lin, who made 11 million US dollars a year, is not taken seriously, just because of his ethnicity.

So, I can see how the decision-maker made this decision.
1.He’s a mid-aged Asian man.
2.Judging from his dress and appearance, he doesn’t look like a powerful or influential individual in our society, which means he probably won’t have the resources to even hire a lawyer or make a big fuss about it.(Turns out to be wrong! He’s a doctor and can afford lawyers. And most importantly, someone else filmed the whole thing with a smartphone.)
3.Conclusion:Okay, if this guy still does not comply, then use force to throw him out. Just compensate him with a few free vouchers to shut him up. How bad could the situation be?

If it was a passenger who is White, dressed in good suits, talk like a boss or someone powerful(just in appearance, not in reality), will they still insist on throwing him out?

Yes

And yes

So your accusations of racism really don’t hold true in reality.

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So now apparently United will cancel your flight if you start filming them during a dispute.

and another payoff from United to soon leave the firm’s coffers…