They want a Califate of Catalonia and Andorra?
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They need to make sure that their money in Andorra is safe and accessible, so for the moment they still depend on them 
Some facts on Catalonia and its situation:
A decent article on what happened the other day (heavenāt read it completely, no time!):
Just so weāre clear, everybody: you donāt negotiate with people who are beating you up. Heās not going to negotiate with you. Negotiation and fighting donāt work if you try to do them both at the same time.
Also, you donāt negotiate with someone whom youāre beating up. Thereās no point.
Negotiation happens before violence - to prevent it - or after violence - to agree that both sides have had enough. Unless and until both sides want peace, thereās nothing to negotiate.
Negotiation is about hammering out the details after both sides have already agreed that theyāve been fighting enough.
Capitulation is not the same thing as negotiation.
Wrong theard. see contents in Foreign aggression thread
Uhmā¦wrong thread ?_?
Oh yeah, my bad. Just having coffee. Has not starting making effect.
Interestingly enough what most of the people say is that thereās nothing to negotiate. A regional government has been working on the shadow towards secession, using public money and resources, conspiring against the country, and now they have declared (and suspended) a ārepublicā. Obviously if they declare the independence thereās nothing to negotiate with them, not with those actors.
Again, itās not Catalonia, itās the politicians and public servants who committed sedition. And if you are going to talk about āpeopleā, the independence never reached not even a 50% in any survey, poll, voting, elections, āreferendumā or anything. I know that the marketing campaign that the independentists have made is good, but come on, how can so many people oversee this factā¦
As for the violence and repression, the local government gave instructions to the hospitals and healthcare workers to count ALL the issues 1-O related. The count went super high due to more than dubious practices denounced by hospital workers, like counting people with anxiety, dehydration, and what not. The local government claimed a āmassacreā of almost 1,000 ādeadā. Reality says something very different: only 2 people, TWO PEOPLE, were hospitalized. One of them because of a heart attack suffered when watching the events. Many pictures and videos of the same scenes form different angles. Many videos and many pictures of DIFFERENT demonstrations, from other years, some of them in Catalonia, showing the local police hitting the poor and noble Catalan peopleā¦ lol. Oh, irony.
Whatās next? to intervene the autonomy. Why? because itās what the law says: if a regional government acts persistently against the law, and doesnāt correct their behaviour, it will be suspended. This has happened in other countries too, like in UK, 3 times (Suspension of the Northern Ireland assembly | Northern Ireland | The Guardian).
Puigdemont and Junts per Si have fucked up big time, but they play their cards not bad. Banks and other businesses are moving their headquarters or even the companies outside Catalonia, because of the lack of legal protection (the local government has acted against all the possible laws, even their own laws), the radical CUP is talking about controlling peopleās cash movements and expropriating companies, documents inculpating of sedition are being found by the police, the secession doesnāt count with the support of Europe as the politicians have been telling their peopleā¦ but some people keep talking about an oppressed (yet nonexistent) nation of prosperous future.
Are there going to be cute Catalonian girl refugees moving to other European countries? My friends back there wouldnāt mind!
The Chosen Nation will have their Diaspora 
Which public?
And can you define this āpublicā in such a way that itās more than a mere political/social construct?
Right, 'cause the last thing anyone wants when talking about politics is a political construct. 
If you have citizens who make a public donation, thatās private money. Taxes, governmental institutions, etcā¦ thatās public. Iām not going to enter a silly discussion about what was first, if the egg of the hen.
The creators of value came first. The government came second, and turned the creators of value into taxpayers.
They create value and pay taxes in Catalonia. Thatās one public. But I suspect you have some other public in mind.
A government is just another special interest. Never forget that, boys and girls.
They create value and pay taxes in Spain. And you can interpret this in two ways: that Ctalonia is Spain, and that they actually pay taxes in Spain, to the central government.
However, I donāt even know why I reply what seems totally pointless.
Which is highly problematic. When you have fifth columns in the regional bureaucracy, you need punitive centralism.
Whenever someone says āweāre all in this togetherā heās planning to take your money.
When the police truncheons come out, thatās when you know we are not, in fact, all in this together.
A wise man does business only with those who donāt try to tell him that weāre all in this together.
Never forget that society is a social construct, and one manās sedition is another manās freedom.
Who, exactly, needs it? And for what purpose?
The Splittists who are forcing WW1 types of nationalism and want to break up the miracle that Franco, Opus Dei and the late Duke Suarez created. And for that threat to Spain, they need to be reigned in. They need to be bootfucked by the state.
Viva Cristo Rey motherfuckers!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhK1ER3B4Hg
All this huffing and puffing and Iām just sitting here wondering when are we going to be able to apply for the very first Catalan tourist visas.