Q: about changing Working ARC to JFRV based ARC

The single certificate is needed if you get married in a courthouse in Taiwan. Sometimes, the household registration office will ask to see it (mine didn’t). You do not need to show it to the BOCA office to receive your JFRV if you were married in a courthouse in Taiwan.

Here is a better website for the documents you require: http://iff.npa.gov.tw/enfront/faq.php?tr_id=9&id=451

[quote]IV Required Documents:

A. Applicant’s passport, valid for at least 6 months without remark of “Going to the Republic of China is not allowed”.

B. Application form, available without charge from R.O.C. embassies, consulates, representatives or offices abroad or Bureau of Consular Affairs or its branch ofices, or downloaded from the web site of the Bureau ( boca.gov.tw/form/index.htm).The applicant should sign the form in person to confirm what he/she declares is true. The form should be affixed with two 2" photos taken within the recent 6 months.

C. One transcript of R.O.C. domiciliary register issued within the recent 3 months with marriage registration, the nationality and foreign name of spouse recorded in it.

D. One original photocopy of certificate of marriage registration issued by the government of applicant’s country, (certified by a R.O.C. embassy or representative). (If applicant’s home country does not have marriage registration system, the certificate of marriage should be delivered.)

E. Certificate of clean hands record or police clearance certificate, (certified by a R.O.C. embassy or representaticve)

F. Certificate of passing health examination (valid for 3 months), (the hospital must be the one designated by Department of Health, Executive Yuan for foreiner’s health examination) or the certificate of health examination issued by an approved hospital in foreign country and certified by a R.O.C. embassy or representaticve).

G. Fee for residence visa. [/quote]

P.S. Don’t forget your photos. Also, your CCRD must be stamped by the Taiwan “embassy” in Russia.

thank you guys for many suggestions and appreaciate your willing to help me. I went to BOCA today and got the same answer as before - i have to leave taiwan and apply for “taiwanese spouse” (Visitor visa with letters TS on it) in my home country (Russia). this is the only way for me. They said many times that i can not change working visa to JFRV in taiwan. Who doubt it, may call boca by phone 2343-2885(2343-2895) and introduce himself as person from Russia having working ARC and will able to get the same answer as i’ve got.
Another problem is that i have to provide marriage registration from Russia, but there is no such things in Russia. if i maried in Taiwan then taiwanese marriage certificate translated to Russian is enough for all organizations in Russia. So, i can not get document which requested by BOCA. So, shitty rules! I especially married in Taiwan to be sure that our marriage will be surely recognized by any taiwanese organization, but now i see how much i was wrong :frowning:
It turned out that taiwanese marriage certificate is the paper to go only to toilet…

from my very sad situation i can strongly suggest one thing to people who is thinking about marry: DON’T MARRY IN TAIWAN!!! Marry in country where are u from. If you will marry in taiwan then it will be game in roulette. Depend where are u from your taiwanese marriage can be or can not recognized by taiwanese government. Yes! Taiwanese government sometimes can not recognize even documents they issued! BE CAREFUL!

Taiwanese “democracy” in action!
I’m in deep grieve now and sometimes thinking that kill myself is the only way to fight with such shitty taiwanese laws…

“Foreign laborers” means those who are employed in what are more commonly called “blue collar” jobs, or more specifically categories 8 through 10 in Article 46 of the Employment Services act. Professional workers are not covered by these rules. What kind of work do you do? If you are employed in construction or as a household assistant then there are a lot of rules covering your situation that most people here will not be familiar with. If you are a professional worker, there should be no problem changing to a JFRV ARC. Lots of people here have done it without having to leave.

Why? What reason did they give you? Every person I know, including myself, has been able to change their work ARC to a JFRV in Taiwan. You are the first person I have ever heard of who can’t change it in Taiwan. Are they saying “No” because you are Russian?

No problem. Part D. stated:

My home country doesn’t have a marriage registration system, either. BOCA accepted my Taiwanese marriage license instead.

Did the BOCA people say that to you?

Here’s a trick for you. One office may say “no”, but another office may say “yes”. Have you tried to ask the BOCA offices in Kaohsiung or Taichung?

Taichung Office
9F, 216 Min Quan Road,Taichung
07-2110605

Kaohsiung Office
2F 436 Cheng Gung 1st Road, Kaohsiung
03-8331041

Are you speaking English, Chinese or Russian to these guys? The rules are clear. Look at funky monkey’s post above. That is BOCA’s own website, with the rules on it. Print it out, take it back to the guy, show it to him and demand to see the rules that you can’t be issued with a JFRV here in Taiwan. Demand his name, demand to see his superior, etc.

Maybe you should be getting your wife to help you with this. You are getting the runaround.

Do the BOCA people think he is a foreign laborer? Do the not believe him? Has he not explained it clearly to them? I can’t think of any more ways to help him unless he tells us what the reason is for his JFRV refusal.

Did you asking about a working visa or an ARC? They are very different things. If you are on a visitor visa for work purposes then you may or may not be able to change to a JFRV, depending on your type of visa. If you are already have an ARC, you are on a resident visa for purposes of work, and unless you are a blue collar worker, you can change this to a JFRV.

I think some of this may be a communication problem. As with many things in Taiwan, you have to ask for exactly the right thing in exactly the right way or you will be told it isn’t possible. Also when dealing with bureaucracies here, you need to have persistence. Don’t take no for an answer. Keep asking questions. Keep giving them more information. If they still say no, come back again a couple of days later and try again. Do as much of this in person instead of over the phone. Be polite but firm. Keep at it, and eventually you will find a way that works. You might also want to bring your spouse along as well. A local person can sometimes push things through much more easily than a foreigner.

My first post was made before reading all of the thread. From the later posts it looks like he isn’t asking the right questions or getting the run-around.

My first post was made before reading all of the thread. From the later posts it looks like he isn’t asking the right questions or getting the run-around.[/quote]

I agree. In the original post, you state that you have an ARC. Are you quite sure about this?
If you have a work-based ARC (a pale green ID card with your photo on it) then you MUST have a resident visa. This CAN be changed to a JFRV without leaving Taiwan.

On the other hand, there was some later mention that you might have a visitor visa for work purposes. I’m not sure if this is even possible, but if this is what you have, then I think this could be the root of your problem.

So, do you have an actual ARC or not?

All you guys are saying what i said to clerk.
I printed that page from BOCA site before go there.

about leaving taiwan:
When he started to say that i have to leave Taiwan then i showed this page to him. At first he was confused a little then started to read and i especially pointed him on Attention 6 and said that i’m NOT labourer but professional IT specialist. He had read it and said “This is only basic terms just for information. But real thing is the same as i said: you have to leave taiwan”. I argued with him that’s impossible because these “basic” terms are totally wrong with terms you said. But he only made confused look and was continuing to say that i have to leave taiwan and this is main rule. Also i came to taiwan by Visitor visa with letter “A” (by working contract in order to change to WARC) which means i can’t change. My visa has to have letters “TS” (taiwanese spouse) if i want to change to JFRV. Such a bulshit! Of course visa will have letter “A”. no one issue visa with “TS” for work permit. By other words he just tried to confuse me and go away from him. I think he understood that i’m right but he couldn’t do anything because his boss said so… And again i’ve got phone of that chief Lo. And again i talked with him about leaving taiwan. The strange thing i felt - when i talked about any document he was hurry to tell me “That’s why you have to leave taiwan”. I tired to repeat that i can authorize person in Russia to do it in my favor and “heard” how he was sad by this and he always changed topic of talk to way that i have to leave. Looks like he’s expecting some “hard” of changing my visa and trying to push me out somewhere far and someone else will do this change.

about marriage registration:
again i pointed to printed page of boca where is written that if can not register marriage in my country then i can provide marriage certificate. Are you sitting? keep better! he answered: yes! in this case you have to provade marriage certificate from your country! wow! such good way of understanding rules. Sounds like for humor event on TV. Can i argue at this point? i couldn’t! what i can explain to idiot?
When i talked with Mr.Lo he said the same as clerk. I only could think “What the heck!”…

that’s the story. Guys, all you are very lucku that you could change your visa. May be you changed visa when other chief headed visa department. But either now i see nation discrimination or nobody with working visa will able to change to JFRV with such chief. Seems he made his oun rule for visa department regardless official laws…

thanks to funkymonkey for boca addresses of other cities. I will call them ASAP, but i guess they will direct me to Taipei’s boca when they will read my ARC/Visa issuing city. Also they will ask me why i call them instead Taipei and i don’t know what to answer

This is the point where you get your wife to go in and yell at them until they give the right answer.

Once again, IF you have the correct documents according to the BOCA website, then just apply for the visa directly at the MOFA and don’t bother talking any more to the BOCA.

Or else TAKE SOMEONE WITH YOU who can speak good Chinese – your wife, probably – who knows your situation and get this sorted out. This Lo guy should be made to explain to your wife, in Chinese, EXACTLY what “rules” he’s talking about. It sounds to me that he’s screwed up totally and now just doesn’t want to lose face by backing down to the foreigner.

It sounds to me, plus reading your posts, that the main problem is one of communication. GET YOUR WIFE INVOLVED!

Once you are added to your wife’s household registration, a copy of the household registration and the local marriage certificate should be all that’s needed to prove your marriage for the resident visa.

some update after calling other branches of boca:

Kaohsiung:
Woman on that phone said that i can apply for JFRV right at their office. I didn’t try said that Taipei office requires to leave Taiwan.

Taichung:
Woman on phone explained about all documents i need and said that i can come to their office to apply for JFRV. Then i said if it’s really possible or not because Taipei office requires to leave. And she said: “yes. you have to leave taiwan to apply for Taiwanese Spouse visa first.”
Shit! Then i said that she just said that i can come to their office to change. She said “we can not change WARC to JFRV. you have to leave first”. Further questions and ask for explanation why she changed rule instantly after my question were useles. only one answer “this is the rule”. Someone can understand it? i can’t. Looks like rules produced instantly by any person.

Yes, exactly what i’m thinking now. especially after calling Taichung’s office.

My wife is too young. only 20 years old. She’s not familiar with all this paperflow and regulations. Also, she affraid to say something to proof her rights because people will be angry at her. And it doesn’t matter is she right or not. Believe me - she can not improve situation. only can make worse by numerour call the same person. I’m already affreaid that i’m becoming too annoying to that Mr.Lo… When i asked him why other people could exchange but i can’t then he said “If you don’t believe me, then don’t call me anymore.”. I don’t understand why i have to believe him instead to believe laws? And such answer can be treated as “if you believe to law then i will not give you visa. if you believe me then i will give you visa”. May be someone know who i can call who is bigger boss than him? I think the main problem is he and since situation is went too deep, so even mature chinese friend will not able to impove situation. I remember that rule “Consul can refuse to give visa without explaining reason”… I don’t want to meet with such rule in life. it will be worst thing i could expect.

You still have not explained what kind of visa you have.

  1. Do you have an ARC?
  2. Do you have a resident visa?
  3. Do you have a visitor visa?

Please answer these questions first.

ok. here is full explanation about what i have:

  1. In Taiwan Trade mission located in Russia i’ve got Visitor visa with letter “A” which means visa by contract with some taiwanese company
  2. i arrived to Taiwan and applied in several days for resident visa with the same letter - “A” which means resident visa with work permition by contract with employer
  3. i applied for ARC and got it in several days and re-entry permit.

can people who changed working visa to JFRV look what letter in resident (working) visa they have? It should be in remark section just above words “Apply for ARC at police bureau within 15 days”

[quote]1) In Taiwan Trade mission located in Russia i’ve got Visitor visa with letter “A” which means visa by contract with some Taiwanese company
2) i arrived to Taiwan and applied in several days for resident visa with the same letter - “A” which means resident visa with work permition by contract with employer
3) i applied for ARC and got it in several days and re-entry permit. [/quote]
Resident visa & ARC based on work. Standard issue. You ARE getting the runaround.

My advice is to follow the BOCA website instructions (and here) regarding documentation and then simply apply to the MOFA for your JFRV. I’m still not sure why you’re actually talking to the BOCA people, by the way – I didn’t contact them at all when I was going through the process.
The only officials I talked to were the MOFA counter clerks, the immigration office counter clerks and the foreign affairs police.

OK, now we are getting somewhere.

First of all, several of your previous posts have mentioned changing your original visitor visa to a joining family resident visa. As you have already exchanged your original visitor visa with a work resident visa, your original visa is completely irrelevant. What you want to do is to exchange your current work RESIDENT visa for a joining family resident visa.

Now, let’s take this one step at a time:

First off is to get married. (Your original post said you weren’t married yet, not sure if that has changed.) To be legally married in Taiwan you will need to be recorded in your wife’s household registration. For a local marriage you will need a marriage certificate, a singles certificate, your wife’s ID and her chop. The singles certificate is usually something you can obtain from your local trade/representative office and all it needs to say is that as far as your native country knows you are single and eligible to marry (this and any other documents will need to be translated if they are not in Chinese or English). Get all these items and take your wife to her local household registration office to register your marriage. When that is done, get several copies of her household registration printout showing your name as a foreign spouse in the comments section.

Then you will need to get the joining family resident visa from BOCA. To prove a local marriage you will need the marriage certificate and household registration. The marriage certificate does not need to be authenticated by an overseas mission if the marriage was local. You will need to get a document from your home country proving you do not have a criminal record and that must be authenticated by Taiwan’s representative office in your home country. However, it is possible in many cases to do this by mail or have someone back home do it for you. You also need a health certificate, just as you did with your original ARC. Once you have all those items, go in to apply.

Once you get your new resident visa, go to the foreign affairs police to get a new ARC. You will need your new resident visa, marriage certificate, and your wife’s household registration to apply.

It really should be that simple. A “Type A” resident visa means it was issued for the purposes of work or investment. If you are not a blue-collar worker there is nothing preventing one from applying for a new resident visa inside Taiwan. In general the only types of visas that do not allow you to apply for new visas within Taiwan are non-extendable visitor visas. If they ask you what visa you used to enter Taiwan, say you entered on a resident visa. Technically when you were issued the resident visa inside Taiwan, it is counted as entering on a resident visa.

Now I’m going to be a bit blunt since you didn’t pick up on other’s trying to say this gently: You have a communication problem. Several of us have had trouble understanding what you are talking about in this discussion. I can only imagine how it must be for someone who doesn’t speak English well to understand what you are asking.

Your wife is your best resource here. She can discuss everything clearly in Chinese. She also will not face any subtle or not subtle discrimination that you may be facing. I understand that she is young and unsure of herself, but if she wants you to stay with her she’ll need to do some work to make it happen. If she really isn’t up to the task, how about another relative like your mother in law or father in law? How about a coworker? While I am often able to handle these things by myself, when I encounter obstacles I almost always find that once I get someone local to help me, the problems suddenly disappear, or an acceptable alternative is presented.

When you get the answer you want, don’t mess it up by bringing up other issues. The Taichung office said no problem until you said the Taipei office said otherwise. That made them second guess everything.

In any case, start the process. Start collecting the necessary documents. When you have what is needed, go in and apply. Don’t mention any irrelevant things. Just tell them, “Here are the documents their form requires; please process them.” Any additional information or comments just complicates things. Stick to the basics.

This really is something that lots of us have done without leaving Taiwan. It really does work. If you are being told different it’s probably because you aren’t asking the right people, aren’t asking the right qustions, or aren’t communicating effectively.

[quote=“sandman”]I’m still not sure why you’re actually talking to the BOCA people, by the way – I didn’t contact them at all when I was going through the process.
The only officials I talked to were the MOFA counter clerks, the immigration office counter clerks and the foreign affairs police.[/quote]

If by MOFA you mean the second floor visa office in the MOFA building on Ji-nan Road, that’s BOCA. BOCA is the part of MOFA that handles issuing of visas.