Spanish Surfer Stabbed by Fishermen in Kenting


#101

Fuck em man make sure they get jail time!


#102

If these jackasses don’t do time in prison, the government might as well just shut down the justice system and save taxpayers’ money.


#103

I agree and in the perfect world it would punish these pricks. But let us not forget incidents such as the Julie Cutie kidnapping case where Taiwan ignored Interpol warrants. NEWS STORY: Taiwanese/US Custody Battle Let us not forget Taiwan government murderers of dissidents in the US being treated like celebrities back in Taiwan. Let us not forget spouses of Executives being murdered in Taiwan with no justice being found. Michael Jordan's 3-minute appearance All I am saying is that justice on the island does not match EU or North America rules of law.


#104

if you want justice i think the best bet is going to the media like someone else mentioned. other than that surely chances are pretty slim…


#105

You are doing the right thing, I hope they get done for attempted murder and go to jail.


#106

For all those sayingVno hope, its Taiwan blah blah…you’ve been here too long or come from somewhere shitty…this meibenfa attitude in Taiwan is EXACTLY why pls escape like pingtung are the way they are. EXACTLY why we ha e sky rocketing diseaseElike cancer, hepatitis and mass organ failures, EXACTLY why buildings crumble and why factories are coming back to the wan from China cause the environmental regulations are more slack here.

Fight it,fight hard and make them suffer and.lose face. But do it smart and don’t get killed…

Good on you, Taiwan needs people to sta f up, more so than Europe or NA. All the more reason.

Or just leave :frowning:


#107

felt like I had a stroke reading this


#108

First of all I’m glad that you seem to have recovered well from the injury. I hope your case will go well.

Idk where you’re from but this is quite an amusing assessment, especially on such a sad day in which more than a dozen high schoolers got killed by a nutjob in Florida.

That was a high-profile case in Madrid. If a criminal case involving more than a dozen foreigners happens in Taipei, they’d get interpreters too. Example: the ATM heist case in 2016. The culprit got a Russian interpreter almost immediately.

I feel like people have overly high expectations on the police in the West. If you’ve ever gotten into trouble as a visible foreigner (aka looking Asian) in some remote town in Europe, chances are they wouldn’t be highly attentive either and you certainly would not get a Mandarin interpreter immediately. In the US you could eat a bullet by being black.

Also, the talks about wanting the culprits detained immediately are insane. In any jurisdiction only those who have a risk of escaping or covering up would be detained before a verdict.


#109

Why amusing, none of that’s amusing. I perhaps don’t get your point ?


#110

You really don’t get it? America has mass shootings literally around the clock, and the drug addiction, sex slavery, and illegal gamblings are definitely not worse in Taiwan than elsewhere. Especially drug addiction. You can get drugs way easier in pretty much any European country and Canada than in Taiwan. First hand experience.

And I genuinely had never heard of the dog fighting thing until I read your comment, then I google’d it and got one search result where it states the cops had a raid and arrested the owners.


#111

Would you like to be educated or just listen to your own voice and use Google?


#112

Is it really necessary to be this rude? It seems to me that you are just being snarky for the sake of it.

Educate away. What sources can you provide for supporting the claim that there are “lots of shootings and stabbings in Taiwan. Ketamine addiction is rife, under age sex slavery, underground casinos and huge amounts of dog fighting” ?


#113

if you didn’t know dog fighting happens on a huge scale in Taiwan, then I suggest you don’t research it, as it’s extremely unpleasant, especially if you like dogs. You think I’m trying to put down Taiwan, but im not. Taiwan just like all countries it has it’s under belly. The gangs here are huge and can be extremely nasty, it’s very easy to get hurt on this island if in anyway involved or connected to that world. However, unlike some countries it’s safer if you’re a regular person with a regular job and who doesn’t mouth off in night clubs etc. The greatest danger here is not knowing some of the dangers that exist here. The information on animal fighting is very very nasty, as is the selling of hill tribe girls into brothels, I won’t put that on this forum. The people on this forum that have been here for a long time know this already. In Taiwan’s defence the authorities have had some major successes and made major improvements on all those fronts with perhaps the exception of the synthetic drug epidemic in some of Taiwan’s cities. It’s a depressing subject and yes I know the USA is unparalled in mass shootings that’s not what I was answering. Anyway have a nice New Year.


#114

I am not saying that dog fighting rinks and illegal brothels don’t exist in Taiwan, I’m just saying that they are nowhere near as common as you’re saying.

And this supposed drug epidemic is pretty ridiculous. The truth is Taiwan is nowhere near the top on the list of drug use and drug addiction. There are drugs circulating, but they aren’t more than in other countries. If anything, the problems are the misplaced stigma on drug use and the lack of substance abuse treatment facilities problem.

Btw, you did mention that there are a lot of shootings and stabbings in Taiwan, that’s why I drew the parallel to America’s gun violence.


#115

This seems to be the standard for pretrial detention for Federal Courts in the U. S.:

The apparent source is U. S. v. Salerno (U. S. Supreme Court, 1987), cited in Joel Samaha, Criminal Procedure.

It looks as if factor number 1, “the nature and seriousness of the charges,” carries a lot of weight with the Federal judiciary.

This looks like an example of a U. S. state court pretrial detention standard, namely Florida’s:

–from the website of Kagen & Gillespie, PA (bail bond attorneys)

It looks as if the factor of “the nature and seriousness of the charges” also takes a prominent place in that state list of factors given above.

To cite another state example–I guess these Montana bail bondsmen are familiar with the Montana standard for pretrial detention:

–from the website of Central Montana Bail Bonds

In Montana, again, it looks as if the factor of “Nature and seriousness of the charges,” is fairly prominent, although “flight risk” is another factor.

I can’t read Chinese, but it appears that the defendants have been charged with attempted murder, or something like it, which seems to me to be quite a serious crime, and also a crime of a nature which indicates a danger to society at large:

This is a translation of the pertinent part of Article 101 of the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Republic of China, which deals with pretrial detention:

From the above, it can be seen that, while the risk of flight can be a factor in a decision by a Taiwan court of whether or not to detain a defendant prior to trial, it also appears as if the seriousness of the crime is a factor in such a decision. Moreover, the law seems to say that any one of those factors can result in a decision to detain the defendant prior to trial.

This appears to be a translation of the ROC Criminal Code’s article dealing with attempted crimes:

This appears to be a translation of the ROC Criminal Code’s general article dealing with homicide:

Preparing to commit an offense presupposes not taking any other action in furtherance of the offense. The defendants are not accused of merely preparing to commit a homicide.

It seems from the above that an attempt to commit a homicide is punishable. Now, in considering pretrial detention, I suppose it’s possible for a judge to have considered the offense reducible to something below the five-year threshold for pretrial detention set out in Code of Criminal Procedure Article 101. That is, I imagine an argument can be made that prior to trial, a judge, in his discretion, could have assessed the potential penalty for the defendants as being less than five years, and decided not to hold them prior to trial. Additionally, there may be other code provisions that I don’t know about.

However, you adopted a strong, no, a Herculean position, that it would be insane to think that pretrial detention would obtain in any jurisdiction absent a risk of flight or covering up the crime, which could include destroying, concealing, or altering evidence.

In conclusion, I think you may be mistaken about that position. Again, though, my post is not meant to dispute with the judge, but merely to take mild exception to the idea you expressed that talk of pretrial detention in this case is insane.


#116

"An accused may be detained after he has been examined by a judge and is strongly suspected of having committed an offense, and due to the existence of one of the following circumstances it is apparent that there will be difficulties in prosecution, trial, or execution of sentence unless the detention of the accused is ordered:

(1) He has absconded, or there are facts sufficient to justify an apprehension that he may abscond;
(2) There are facts sufficient to justify an apprehension that he may destroy, forge, or alter evidence, or conspire with a co-offender or witness;
(3) He has committed an offense punishable with the death penalty, life imprisonment, or a minimum punishment of imprisonment for no less than five years."
That sounds correct, going from memory a person(s) can be held for around three months before trial while investigations are continuing, and also prevented from( while in custody) having any connection to those connected with the crime. After around three months this can be extended by a judge for another three months, up to six months in total. (basically how it goes for serious offences)


#117

I know the exceptions, but to me the replies here were all for pretrial detention of these culprits on the spot, and the authorities were all corrupt to the core by not doing so, which to me sounded like you were all for arbitrary deprivation of liberty. OP’s position is understandable, though, since he’s the victim here.

Now, seeing that the OP posted a picture of the weapons, I would guess that the police has confisecated them, so the risk of covering up doesn’t seem high (unless that is not the case) and the risk of flight seems even lower considering that they don’t seem to be loaded with cash at all. Even if they were detained, they would probably be bailed anyway.

I’m not saying that they shouldn’t be detained, I’m just saying that it seems pretty ridiculous to apply a blanket statement and claim that the system is broken because they weren’t detained immediately. Believe me, in Europe, detention isn’t issued easily either. There are criteria for that. If anything, Taiwan has had a record of excessive usage of pretrial detention, which would not sit well with the European court.


#118

I see some good legal opinions here, thank you for sharing.
May anyone know this one?:
There is one witness (besides me) who saw everything, two of the attackers acknowledge hitting me with the weapons but not stabbing me (they lie, all 4 attacked me), and I appeared with the stabbing wound for which the doctor who saw me can testify what kind of wound it was. Now, the police say that my blood was not found on the 4 weapons that the attackers brought to the police station and their lawyer is using this to throw out the attempted murder charge. I need to throw away this evidence, since the attackers brought to the police station either washed weapons or most likely different ones, since I counted 15 of them before the attack happened. No criminal would deliver a bloody knife to the police station unless he is remorse and in this case we have 4 crooks who are far from showing any remorse. I need to expose this and prohibit the use of such naive evidence. Any legal advice here would be much appreciated.


#119

Nothing you read here should be taken as “legal advice” in the formal sense.

If I were the prosecutor, I might try to get a more sophisticated examination of the weapons (to detect trace amounts of blood) and/or a search warrant for their homes. :idunno:


#120

Are you sure you don’t want to hire a lawyer?