USA and gun control


#1

Many of you are aware of the recent Colorado move theater shooting. Once again, some people are calling for a debate on the loose gun control laws of the country. Once again, such voices will be ignored. Just as they have been raised and then ignored after every previous gun tragedy in the country. Below is an article with a good take on it. The power of the pro gun lobby in the US is just incredible. No tragedy is big enough to stop them.

theatlantic.com/national/arc … gs/260133/


My Taiwanese wife got her US concealed carry weapons permit today
My Taiwanese wife got her US concealed carry weapons permit today
#2

Stop politicizing a tragedy.

The best way to defend yourself against guns is to buy more guns, and carry more than one at the same time.

The tragedy could have been prevented if other people brought guns to the theater, so don’t give me this big government no guns bullllllshit.


#3

[quote=“SuperSneakyCow”]Stop politicizing a tragedy.

The best way to defend yourself against guns is to buy more guns, and carry more than one at the same time.

The tragedy could have been prevented if other people brought guns to the theater, so don’t give me this big government no guns bullllllshit.[/quote]

You’re taking an idiot stance. People using guns to stop gun violence usually ends up being a giant shit show and more innocent bystanders end up getting hurt. This Hollywood movie notion that someone in the crowd can easily draw a gun and shoot someone particular in a crowded place is straight up ‘bullllllshit’.

However, I do agree that politicizing the issue does nothing. Guns are around, and guns will be around, so people need to learn how to live with guns. The current situation where the NRA types want a gun show 365 days a year with fully automatic assault rifles and absolutely no restrictions on guns is ludicrous. The notion that we can have a society free of guns is also moronic, people will hunt, people will want to protect themselves.

I am not going to say the answer is easy, but whether there was a ban on guns or there wasn’t this tragedy was still going to happen, and if people had guns in the theatre, it likely would have been worse, not better.


#4

What happened at that theater is irrelevant to why I believe people should have the right to own guns.

Any attempt at subverting the will of the people and denying the constitutional right to bear arms validates the reason for its existence in the first place.

As the US has gone full tilt into plutocracy I sometimes wonder if an armed populace is the only thing that will prevent an outright totalitarian government. Then common sense prevails and I remember Americans are too doped up on “Jersey Shore” to give a f*ck.


#5

[quote=“Deuce Dropper”][quote=“SuperSneakyCow”]Stop politicizing a tragedy.

The best way to defend yourself against guns is to buy more guns, and carry more than one at the same time.

The tragedy could have been prevented if other people brought guns to the theater, so don’t give me this big government no guns bullllllshit.[/quote]

You’re taking an idiot stance. People using guns to stop gun violence usually ends up being a giant shit show and more innocent bystanders end up getting hurt. This Hollywood movie notion that someone in the crowd can easily draw a gun and shoot someone particular in a crowded place is straight up ‘bullllllshit’.

However, I do agree that politicizing the issue does nothing. Guns are around, and guns will be around, so people need to learn how to live with guns. The current situation where the NRA types want a gun show 365 days a year with fully automatic assault rifles and absolutely no restrictions on guns is ludicrous. The notion that we can have a society free of guns is also moronic, people will hunt, people will want to protect themselves.

I am not going to say the answer is easy, but whether there was a ban on guns or there wasn’t this tragedy was still going to happen, and if people had guns in the theatre, it likely would have been worse, not better.[/quote]

Many countries have societies practically free of guns, including Taiwan, and as I understand it gun ownership and culture varies widely from state to state in the US.


#6

[quote=“Shaktipalooza”]What happened at that theater is irrelevant to why I believe people should have the right to own guns.

Any attempt at subverting the will of the people and denying the constitutional right to bear arms validates the reason for its existence in the first place.

As the US has gone full tilt into plutocracy I sometimes wonder if an armed populace is the only thing that will prevent an outright totalitarian government. Then common sense prevails and I remember Americans are too doped up on “Jersey Shore” to give a f*ck.[/quote]

You are so naive to think that gun ownership could prevent totalitarianism. Control is usually achieved with peoples consent, not against it. Having guns in the hands of citizens has no effect whatsoever without a clear political objective and support of the wider population. But then an armed political group is usually classed as a terrorist organization.
Imagine that the armed group of citizens is given control over the territory you own, by the government’s consent or their own means. Problem solved?


#7

[quote=“headhonchoII”][quote=“Shaktipalooza”]What happened at that theater is irrelevant to why I believe people should have the right to own guns.

Any attempt at subverting the will of the people and denying the constitutional right to bear arms validates the reason for its existence in the first place.

As the US has gone full tilt into plutocracy I sometimes wonder if an armed populace is the only thing that will prevent an outright totalitarian government. Then common sense prevails and I remember Americans are too doped up on “Jersey Shore” to give a f*ck.[/quote]

You are so naive to think that gun ownership could prevent totalitarianism. Control is usually achieved with peoples consent, not against it. Having guns in the hands of citizens has no effect whatsoever without a clear political objective and support of the wider population. But then an armed political group is usually classed as a terrorist organization.
Imagine that the armed group of citizens is given control over the territory you own, by the government’s consent or their own means. Problem solved?[/quote]

Naive? I thought my last comment made it quite clear that I’m extremely cynical of the US population doing anything to challenge the authority of the government.

Are you a US citizen? The gun debate is a perpetual motion machine that gets very tiresome. In the US it’s a cultural thing. I was raised in a community with many more guns that people and there were many survivalists in the not too distant backwoods. Gun violence was an extremely rare event, in fact the only gun violence I can recall were a couple of suicides during the 17 odd years I grew up there.


#8

[quote=“headhonchoII”][quote=“Deuce Dropper”][quote=“SuperSneakyCow”]Stop politicizing a tragedy.

The best way to defend yourself against guns is to buy more guns, and carry more than one at the same time.

The tragedy could have been prevented if other people brought guns to the theater, so don’t give me this big government no guns bullllllshit.[/quote]

You’re taking an idiot stance. People using guns to stop gun violence usually ends up being a giant shit show and more innocent bystanders end up getting hurt. This Hollywood movie notion that someone in the crowd can easily draw a gun and shoot someone particular in a crowded place is straight up ‘bullllllshit’.

However, I do agree that politicizing the issue does nothing. Guns are around, and guns will be around, so people need to learn how to live with guns. The current situation where the NRA types want a gun show 365 days a year with fully automatic assault rifles and absolutely no restrictions on guns is ludicrous. The notion that we can have a society free of guns is also moronic, people will hunt, people will want to protect themselves.

I am not going to say the answer is easy, but whether there was a ban on guns or there wasn’t this tragedy was still going to happen, and if people had guns in the theatre, it likely would have been worse, not better.[/quote]

Many countries have societies practically free of guns, including Taiwan, and as I understand it gun ownership and culture varies widely from state to state in the US.[/quote]

Taiwanese people don’t hunt, Taiwanese people have a complex underworld structure for conflict resolution and protection of personal and business assets.

Banning guns is impractical and will destroy billion dollar industries.

Reality is,guns are here to stay, people need to learn to live with them.


#9

[quote=“Deuce Dropper”][quote=“SuperSneakyCow”]Stop politicizing a tragedy.

The best way to defend yourself against guns is to buy more guns, and carry more than one at the same time.

The tragedy could have been prevented if other people brought guns to the theater, so don’t give me this big government no guns bullllllshit.[/quote]

You’re taking an idiot stance. People using guns to stop gun violence usually ends up being a giant shit show and more innocent bystanders end up getting hurt. This Hollywood movie notion that someone in the crowd can easily draw a gun and shoot someone particular in a crowded place is straight up ‘bullllllshit’[/quote]

Hey, buddy, I could bullzeye a baby deer in the forhead from the roof of a moving pickup truck, at night. Yeah. The roof, motherfucker, not the truckbed.

This notion that people can’t shoot other people accurately in the dark is nonsense. My advice: learn to use guns, silly libs.


#10

Can’t we just have everyone swap the guns for Viagra?


#11

it’s worth a try


#12

I’d rather take my chances in a room full of armed men than a room full of hard men… Not hatin’… Just sayin’.


#13

Fortunately law abiding citizens in the U.S. are still allowed to carry firearms or Skittles crazed maniacs like Trayvon Martin randomly attacking strangers in order to tear them apart with their bare hands would be running rampant in America’s neighborhoods.


#14

A good model for gun control.


#15

[quote=“johnny138”]

A good model for gun control.[/quote]

yeah especially in a country that is built upon the idea of not being homogenous, or uni-cultural

derp


#16

Please note: penis substitutes… I mean “guns”… are highly regulated in Switzerland, unlike the US.

You want the US to follow the Swiss model? Fine with me.


#17

there are crazy people everywhere but usually they kill only their family with an axe or something… but in the US everyone can get a gun via the internet, so the casualties are much higher… anyways the US is full of religious fanatics and crazy people… that’s why they went there in the 18.hundreds in the first place right? So let them kill each other…they should just take care that non of those crazy americans can come to Taiwan with a gun as it happened recently with this family return to the US (they had a hand gun in their luggage).


#18

I don’t get how it is that the pro gun folks are more likely to be conservative and Christian, yet Jesus would be firmly in the anti gun camp were he alive today, and the Bible clearly has a thou shall not kill commandment.

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#19

The answer to this shooting is affordable healthcare with coverage for mental illness …


#20

If you’re in the another state, and you go into Oklahoma, they stop you at the border and check to see if you have any guns.

And if you don’t have any, they give you some.