USA and gun control


#261

edition.cnn.com/2013/01/29/us/ha … index.html

In USA “more than 6,000 people killed each year by handguns.
That’s like having a massacre on the scale of Newtown 239 times during one year.
Yet, as the Obama administration moves forward with legislation to stem the toll of gun violence in America, the focus has been on curbing access to high-powered rifles and large-capacity magazines, not the common handguns that account for the [Vast, 72%] majority of gun deaths in America.”


#262

An Iraq Vet is killed by another Iraq Vet at a Texas gun range…

The killed vet was a famous ex-navy seal sniper, Chris Kyle, who the insurgents in Iraq were so afraid of him, they put a bounty on his head. Chris also published a book named American Sniper. His neighbor was also killed.

The killer Eddie Ray Routh is a formal marine, also a sniper. He killed both of them with a semi-auto hand gun. Chris Kyle and his neighbor probably took Eddie to the range.


#263

[quote=“Chris”]Of course we’ll get the same old braindead eff-tards coming out and saying the fault is a lack of religious indoctrination in schools. As if the tem commandments on a wall will stop a psycho from murdering people with guns.

The chief problem is the availability of guns.

Will something be done about it? Of course not. The NRA craves blood, they hold too much power over our politicians, and they have been brainwashing our populace for decades, teaching a twisted interpretation of the 2nd amendment and spewing boatloads of phony statistics and “facts”.

The NRA needs to be disbanded. Guns need to be made much harder to get.[/quote]
i am surprised the Gun Lobby havn’t used this more :unamused: No doubt they will.


#264

[quote=“hansioux”]An Iraq Vet is killed by another Iraq Vet at a Texas gun range…

The killed vet was a famous ex-navy seal sniper, Chris Kyle, who the insurgents in Iraq were so afraid of him, they put a bounty on his head. Chris also published a book named American Sniper. His neighbor was also killed.

The killer Eddie Ray Routh is a formal marine, also a sniper. He killed both of them with a semi-auto hand gun. Chris Kyle and his neighbor probably took Eddie to the range.[/quote]

Bring somebody with serious mental issues to a gun range?


#265

[quote=“shiadoa”][quote=“Chris”]Of course we’ll get the same old braindead eff-tards coming out and saying the fault is a lack of religious indoctrination in schools. As if the tem commandments on a wall will stop a psycho from murdering people with guns.

The chief problem is the availability of guns.

Will something be done about it? Of course not. The NRA craves blood, they hold too much power over our politicians, and they have been brainwashing our populace for decades, teaching a twisted interpretation of the 2nd amendment and spewing boatloads of phony statistics and “facts”.

The NRA needs to be disbanded. Guns need to be made much harder to get.[/quote]
I am surprised the Gun Lobby havn’t used this more :unamused: No doubt they will.

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That’s never been found in original writing as a quote from him, maybe that’s why


#266

A recent campaign to put political derpspin on a news story before all the facts are out prompted me to restart this thread, by injecting some new information. Because information is something we could use more of.

americas1stfreedom.org/artic … ton-files/

Of course this is a source with an agenda (is there any other kind when it comes to politicized issues?) There’s a PDF but it might just be another National Guard memo thingie. Perhaps someone else could go to Little Rock and corroborate?


#267

They must be popping champagne bottles at the NRA headquarters, seeing that their agenda of facilitating mass murder has been so successful of late. Death, blood and suffering; that’s what they are in love with.


#268

Never mind the angry derp. Here’s more actual information:

pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/ … c-unaware/

The chart stops at 2010, so doesn’t fully reflect consequences of the Ozymandias administration.


And yet again...another shooting rampage in the USA
#269

This is another straw man. Nobody is arguing that crime rates haven’t come down in the last 20 years in the United States. What most people find far more important is comparisons with other developed countries, and gun incidents and homicides are still staggeringly high compared to any other developed country. Every single one has more sensible gun laws, and every single one has less gun violence. Who cares about the US compared to itself. I thought the US was supposed to care about LEADING the world, not scraping the bottom of the barrel. We’re supposed to care that the US is down to less than 4 in 100k when many other developed countries are below 1? :unamused:


#270

Are you sure? And please none of that tons of imaginary studies horseshit.

Oh, I get it. It doesn’t count unless it’s guns. That’ll be a great comfort to knife rampage victims.

Also…

cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/ … ership.htm

[quote]More fundamentally, Dr. Kates and Dr. Mauser demonstrate that other developed nations such as Norway, Finland, Germany, France and Denmark maintain high rates of gun ownership, yet possess murder rates lower than other developed nations in which gun ownership is much more restricted.

For example, handguns are outlawed in Luxembourg, and gun ownership extremely rare, yet its murder rate is nine times greater than in Germany, which has one of the highest gun ownership rates in Europe. As another example, Hungary’s murder rate is nearly three times higher than nearby Austria’s, but Austria’s gun ownership rate is over eight times higher than Hungary’s. “Norway,” they note, “has far and away Western Europe’s highest household gun ownership rate (32%), but also its lowest murder rate. The Netherlands,” in contrast, “has the lowest gun ownership rate in Western Europe (1.9%) … yet the Dutch gun murder rate is higher than the Norwegian.”

Dr. Kates and Dr. Mauser proceed to dispel the mainstream misconception that lower rates of violence in Europe are somehow attributable to gun control laws. Instead, they reveal, “murder in Europe was at an all-time low before the gun controls were introduced.” As the authors note, “strict controls did not stem the general trend of ever-growing violent crime throughout the post-WWII industrialized world.”

Citing England, for instance, they reveal that “when it had no firearms restrictions [in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries], England had little violent crime.” By the late 1990s, however, “England moved from stringent controls to a complete ban on all handguns and many types of long guns.” As a result, “by the year 2000, violent crime had so increased that England and Wales had Europe’s highest violent crime rate, far surpassing even the United States.” In America, on the other hand, “despite constant and substantially increasing gun ownership, the United States saw progressive and dramatic reductions in criminal violence in the 1990s.”

Critically, Dr. Kates and Dr. Mauser note that “the fall in the American crime rate is even more impressive when compared with the rest of the world,” where 18 of the 25 countries surveyed by the British Home Office suffered violent crime increases during that same period. [/quote]


#271

More on what happens when entire countries are gun free zones.

news.investors.com/ibd-editorial … htm?p=full

[quote]Norway had the highest annual death rate, with two mass public shooting fatalities per million people. Macedonia had a rate of 0.38, Serbia 0.28, Slovakia 0.20, Finland 0.14, Belgium 0.14 and the Czech Republic 0.13. The U.S. comes in eighth with 0.095 mass public shooting fatalities per million people. Austria and Switzerland are close behind.

In terms of the frequency of attacks, the U.S. ranks ninth, with 0.09 attacks per million people. Macedonia, Serbia, Switzerland, Norway, Slovakia, Finland, Belgium and the Czech Republic all had higher rates.[/quote]


#272

Math is not your strong suit.

This year there has been one mass shooting per million people in the US.

Reading the comments in that article is instructive. One bright bulb claims 55 mass shootings over the past 60 years. Wtf planet do you guys live on?


#273

More than that, in fact.

They live in Backwardland, where everything is the exact opposite of reality.


#274

[quote=“rowland”]More on what happens when entire countries are gun free zones.
news.investors.com/ibd-editorial … htm?p=full
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Very bright to link to John Lott, who just happens to be on the payroll of firearms manufacturers and the NRA. :thumbsup:


#275

Obama’s tearful announcement of an executive order for stricter control of guns.

usnews.com/news/articles/201 … al-theater


#276

FOX tells us it’s the old onion-under-the-podium trick.


#277

Another 7 gone in Michigan. Hardly even newsworthy any more.


#278

There has to be some mistake here. I’ve been assured that there are way too many “good” people with guns in the US these days that will stop all the “bad” guys with guns before they do harm.


#279

They want gun control in the US as much as they want gun control in the Middle East. Follow the money.


#280

England is a cup of tea.
France, a wheel of ripened brie.
Greece, a short, squat olive tree.
America is a gun.

Brazil is football on the sand.
Argentina, Maradona’s hand.
Germany, an oompah band.
America is a gun.

Holland is a wooden shoe.
Hungary, a goulash stew.
Australia, a kangaroo.
America is a gun.

Japan is a thermal spring.
Scotland is a highland fling.
Oh, better to be anything
than America as a gun.