We cannot raise our flag but others can

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What about if you wrote ’ I love ` at the front of that banner and held it aloft ?

What then?

The thing is that banner just said Taiwan what the fuck is wrong with that?

My conclusion is like Icons…The Police State is still here in one form or another.

Self policing is being passed down to the younger generation as normal.

And yet…we had the sunflowers movement just a couple of years ago.

Maybe everybody was so eager to just enjoy a national event for once they didn’t want any politics at the expense of silencing themselves?

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That, I think is what happened. But it looks like a social experiment gone wrong…

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Unfortunately it seems to normalise what isn’t quite normal.
More repressive feelings.

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Wasn’t there some nonsense after Ma became president where they (TW’ese) were told to remove the flag from all public places, or something?

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ultimately this kind of censorship is imposed on the entire humanity rather than on Taiwanese. It’s not just Taiwanese who are banned from raising any Taiwanese flag, non-Taiwanese are also banned from doing so. Your freedom of speech is also infringed.

As a Taiwanese I can easily agree to vote for a flag of pure white to represent Taiwan. Are “they” going to ban a piece of white cloth? I can tell you, and I can predict that Taiwanese will get more and more creative and whoever bans TW will look like a fool.

You guys have to realized this is a kind of psychological warfare that is purely of Chinese origin. And for those who do not speak out for Taiwan, eventually you will be paying the price too.

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“Chinese Taipei” is not the real issue. The real issue is that the Chinese don’t want Taiwanese to call ourselves Taiwanese. They don’t want Taiwan to be able to call itself Taiwan. Although if US calls Taiwan Taiwan, it’s okay.

They (99% the Chinese people and their state) call the Taiwanese military “Taiwanese military.” The Chinese have no problem calling Taiwan Taiwan. They call Hong Kong Hong Kong, and everybody calls Palestine Palestine. Even Tibet is called Tibet.

It’s just sick, absurd psychological game. Intentionally being an asshole, they take pleasure in having the entire world WATCH them being an asshole getting away with it.

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Very very strange.
Can’t blame this on China.

Forgot what group they come from.
Look at what he got arrested for!

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Froggers. They went there…

https://youtu.be/YD76fwlJtVo

“Legal consequences”…repression.

Worse to come. The elites are like that boyfriend who feels slighted because his gf broke up with him…so he kills her. Thet rather see Taiwan die, losing face in the process, as long as it is in their clutches. All for her own good, of course, so China won’t attack. Nice scam going, right.?

:sob:

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Another coward politician. Surprise surprise

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There was a group in London that got removed from an event in the 2012 olympics. After that uproar, a group of Taiwanese and Londoners alike all started waving the flag outside.

I never knew a colored cloth could be so dangerous.

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“Officials from the event’s organizing committee deemed Chen’s banner to have borne a political slogan that was banned at the event”…komplete kunts. It had one word, “Taiwan”, on it. China wasn’t even at the Games, what the fuck are these people scared of?

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Anyone have information on who the athlete is carrying the flag. It would be nice if somehow I could send a message to him and the team for actually being what the spirit of the Olympics is about and carrying our flags when our athletes can not.

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Losing China’s money.

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I’m still fairly new here in country (8 months), and not to keen to this political drama. But if this ain’t some pussy shit…

Taiwan will never be truly independent until the leadership grows some balls. Guess it’s part of the culture to “bow down” to big brother?

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Read about the chinese civil war. A good starting point.

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He replied on his FB page: Taiwan loves us, that is what counts.

Contala como quieras pero Taiwan nos ama. Tremendo el cariño y la atención por parte de los ciudadanos de Taipei y de todos los voluntarios de la villa.
Te vamos a extrañar :flushed:

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Who is “he”? :laughing:

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A gorgeous bearded pibe. :heart_eyes:

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I’m not sure what to make of all this. Apparently there were a lot of green Taiwan flags and various banners being displayed, and there were some men wearing black caps, and some of these men were also wearing black shirts, but some were wearing white shirts, and sometimes some of them appeared to be seizing things, and sometimes the regular police got involved.

At around 1:10 in this news video, a disturbance can be seen concerning the banner(s), and at about 1:32, a still image can be seen of a man (Chen Yu-chang (陳俞璋)?) being carried away by several black-clad men:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuD2xErSe3c

At the beginning of this next video some black-clad men are carrying Mr. Chen (I guess) somewhere, and at about 0:10, Mr. Chen is seen sitting on the floor of what appears to be a police station, in the midst of a number of standing police officers. At 0:45, Mr. Chen (I guess that’s him) is again shown in the stadium, holding a different-looking Taiwan banner from the one that has been seen so far in still pictures, and at 0:55, he is again shown being carried (I assume it’s the same carrying incident as the earlier one), followed by the scene at the police station.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl6NV1Lyczo

From the above (and the below, I might add), I still can’t figure out exactly what happened, except that in certain circumstances, the word Taiwan appears to seriously set some people off, especially if it’s accompanied by language that explicitly distinguishes it from China.

In these other videos, various banners and flags can be seen, and people in unusual-looking uniforms can also be seen (I think the regular police can be seen in the third video in the group below):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHFap5WUEpY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAi4Y43CLS8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0Sr8KEbSX0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A992etey6CU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHGzMYI45bU

With my near-zilch-level of Chinese, I’d better not try to do too much interpreting of what’s going on in these videos.

For the record, I favor Taiwan independence.

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So it was a bit more than sticking up one banner with the words Taiwan.

Who are those guys with the black uniforms anybody know?
Why don’t they wear identifiable marks and why are the DPP still allowing this?

Uncomfortably similar to mafia uniforms and the security bureau in China.