The reptilians.
If “they” are actually hell-bent on a New World Order, they’ve made a bit of a pig’s ear of it so far, haven’t they? Certainly doesn’t seem to be much Order, anyway.
Who was it who said that one should never assume malice where incompetence is an adequate explanation?
Quite frankly, there are plenty of cultures that deserve to die alone in a ditch. I can’t see anything worth salvaging from the current mayhem. If there is, those bad old foreigners might be the only ones able to do it, but they’re not likely to achieve that by standing on the sidelines, wringing their hands, and wondering who to root for.
Ya well regardless of the in your face quotes of a “New World Order” from world leaders ,globalization/monopolization or what ever the fuck ya wanna call it, is very much on par with world events.
Success is almost totally dependent upon drive and persistence. The extra energy required to make another effort or try another approach is the secret of winning.
Denis Waitley
I agree. I also feel the drug and porn addicted US of Amnesia with out of control gangs, immigrants ,police and a failing economy is a result of those bad old foreigners confused(or paid off) as to who to root for.
Malice and incompetence are often opposite sides of the same coin. Case in point being those chickenhawks in the U.S. who are using the misery in Syria as an opportunity to criticize President Obama for not mobilizing the military industrial messiah complex to “save” Syria. The same maliciously incompetent perps who turned Iraq into a hellhole which is feeding the chaos in Syria and who cheer led the slaughter of hundreds of women and children in Gaza.
Not directly related, but I strongly recommend anyone interested on the subject to read this French graphic novel about the (franco-syrian) author’s childhood in Syria:
amazon.com/The-Arab-Future-G … 1627793445
It’s funny, absurd, surrealistic, and yet quite informative on the Syrian culture and lifestyle. One of my best reading lately.
that was amazingly stable from 2007-2012? the one that the administration was going to list as one of its greatest successes? Given limited U.S. involvement in Syria, you should look first to Assad, then to Iran, then to Russia, then to ISIL, then to Saudi Arabia, then to Qatar, then to Turkey, then to the UAE and then, perhaps, then to the EU? as this is their “neighborhood” and then and only then to the US because when conferences and “dialogue” don’t work, then it is always the call to the Americans to send their troops to die in place of the post-modern Habermas-infused Europeans who are to civilized to fight. I am sure though that Agent Smith is right and that somehow the Israelis (and we know who he really means, right?) must be to blame.
that was amazingly stable from 2007-2012? the one that the administration was going to list as one of its greatest successes? Given limited U.S. involvement in Syria, you should look first to Assad, then to Iran, then to Russia, then to ISIL, then to Saudi Arabia, then to Qatar, then to Turkey, then to the UAE and then, perhaps, then to the EU? as this is their “neighborhood” and then and only then to the US because when conferences and “dialogue” don’t work, then it is always the call to the Americans to send their troops to die in place of the post-modern Habermas-infused Europeans who are to civilized to fight. I am sure though that Agent Smith is right and that somehow the Israelis (and we know who he really means, right?) must be to blame.[/quote]
Success? Jesus H lord almighty. Im almost convinced you’re one of those paid online warriors. Almost everything you post supports government narratives. I don’t recall Saddam or anyone else asking to be invaded
The invasion of Iraq was planned yrs in advance and was launched at the behest of the Israeli lobby and Bibi based on false evidence by no other than Israeli intelligence.
usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/wor … reat_x.htm
[quote]JERUSALEM (AP) — Israeli intelligence overplayed the threat posed by Iraq and reinforced the U.S. and British assessment that Saddam Hussein had large amounts of weapons of mass destruction, a retired Israeli general said Thursday.
The Israeli assessment may have been colored by politics, including a desire to see the Iraqi leader toppled, said Shlomo Brom, who was a senior Israeli military intelligence officer and is now a researcher with Israel’s top strategic think tank.
Brom stopped short of accusing Israeli intelligence officials of intentionally misleading Britain and the United States[/quote].
ihr.org/leaflets/iraqwar.shtml
[quote]Whatever the secondary reasons for the war, the crucial factor in President Bush’s decision to attack was to help Israel. With support from Israel and America’s Jewish-Zionist lobby, and prodded by Jewish “neo-conservatives” holding high-level positions in his administration, President Bush - who was already fervently committed to Israel - resolved to invade and subdue one of Israel’s chief regional enemies.
This is so widely understood in Washington that US Senator Ernest Hollings was moved in May 2004 to acknowledge that the US invaded Iraq “to secure Israel,” and “everybody” knows it. He also identified three of the influential pro-Israel Jews in Washington who played an important role in prodding the US into war: Richard Perle, chair of the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board; Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Defense Secretary; and Charles Krauthammer, columnist and author. [1]
Hollings referred to the cowardly reluctance of his Congressional colleagues to acknowledge this truth openly, saying that “nobody is willing to stand up and say what is going on.” Due to “the pressures we get politically,” he added, members of Congress uncritically support Israel and its policies.[/quote]
This rhetoric sound familiar?
The U.S. opened the Pandora’s box in the Middle East when it destroyed Iraq and failed to rebuild it into a viable state. Sectarianism and extremism filled the vacuum and have been spreading like a plague that will only get worse.
[quote]But the Syrians are being joined by Iraqis, as they, too, abandon hope that their country’s conflict will be resolved, said Mohammed Hamed, 33, an Iraqi policeman who left his wife and three children in the southern Iraqi city of Karbala three days ago.
“Many Iraqis are coming now and many more will come in the future if they can get the money,” he said as he mingled with other Iraqis newly arriving at the bus station in Bodrum. He plans to head for Germany, and then secure access for the rest of his family.
“We were hoping we could fix Iraq, but Iraq is unfixable,” said Ali Fadl, 32, another of the new arrivals, a former Iraqi soldier who was wearing a U.S. Army T-shirt given to him by American troops during an assignment guarding Baghdad’s Green Zone.
Until last month he had been serving on the front lines against the Islamic State in the province of Anbar, but the lack of progress and an increase in car bombings, kidnappings and killings in Baghdad persuaded him to try to leave Iraq.
“Every day that passes, the worse it gets, and the more it deteriorates, the more people will leave,” said Fadl, who said he resigned from the army before setting out.[/quote]
That’s what I thought too, but Fred Smith assures us that the invasion of Iraq was a smashing success.
I will ask what’s going on in Syria next time I am in Germany. Seems the Syrians are all there now.
Not what Fred Smith thinks. In fact, none of the quotes are from Republicans of any kind… oh dear… wrong again! 0 for 127.
[quote]The president told an audience of soldiers at Fort Bragg that the final pullout from Iraq after nearly nine years of war is a “historic” moment and that the country they leave behind is “an extraordinary achievement”. Obama hinted at the military and diplomatic quagmire he inherited from a Bush administration that had promised Americans a quick and easy war that would see Iraqis scattering flowers at the feet of US soldiers. Instead, the American invasion unleashed a conflict - part civil war, part anti-occupation - that dragged on for years. But the president, who came to power promising to end the war, said that for all the suffering, the result was success.
“We knew this day would come. We’ve known it for some time. But still there is something profound about the end of a war that has lasted so long,” said Obama. “It’s harder to end a war than begin one. Everything that American troops have done in Iraq - all the fighting, all the dying, the bleeding and the building and the training and the partnering, all of it has landed to this moment of success.”
“Iraq’s not a perfect place. It has many challenges ahead. But we’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self reliant Iraq with a representative government that was elected by its people. We’re building a new partnership between our nations and we are ending a war not with a final battle but with a final march toward home. This is an extraordinary achievement,” he said.[/quote]
And Biden:
[quote]“I am very optimistic about – about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. You’re going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You’re going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government,” said Biden.
“I spent – I’ve been there 17 times now. I go about every two months – three months. I know every one of the major players in all of the segments of that society. It’s impressed me. I’ve been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences.”[/quote]
What could possibly have led to this optimism, and this confidence in announcing success? BrentGolf? Anyone? 
Ignorance? Stupidity? Politics? Blindly toting the party line? Take your pick.
[quote]Ignorance? Stupidity? Politics? Blindly toting the party line? Take your pick.
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In your case, I guess all four? So, now you are what? 0 for 128. News flash: Obama and Biden do NOT represent the party that led/initiated the war against Iraq. Wanna try again? I am patient… obviously VERY patient… let’s see if you can get one little answer right… hey, we all have to start somewhere, right? RIGHT? 
:bravo:
Bill O’Reilly? Why I don’t even get to be one of the shape-shifting Jewish reptilian Bilderbergers that haunt your dreams? And I try soooo hard… I really do! 
Bill O’Reilly? Why I don’t even get to be one of the shape-shifting Jewish reptilian Bilderbergers that haunt your dreams? And I try soooo hard… I really do! [/quote]
All you ever do is ignore pertinent info and stifle debate by keeping the conversation going in circles.
Why do you say that?
Obama was foolish for believing he could extricate the U.S. from the quagmire in Iraq. The real blame though falls on those who created the quagmire, which has now spread to Europe.
Meanwhile, those real culprits, Cheney and his ilk, are trying to double down on the chaos they created by using fear and deceit once again to scuttle any efforts at peace and stability in the Middle East. Their Iranophobia, like their Iraqophobia, will only lead to more war, more sectarianism, more extremism, more refugees if the American people are foolish enough to fall for their buck passing double talk twice.
[quote]Obama was foolish for believing he could extricate the U.S. from the quagmire in Iraq. The real blame though falls on those who created the quagmire, which has now spread to Europe.
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So, do we have troops in Afghanistan or Iraq? or what exactly is your definition of a quagmire?
And all very influential given that Obama has enough votes in Congress to pass the Iran deal. 
[quote=“fred smith”][quote]Obama was foolish for believing he could extricate the U.S. from the quagmire in Iraq. The real blame though falls on those who created the quagmire, which has now spread to Europe.
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So, do we have troops in Afghanistan or Iraq? or what exactly is your definition of a quagmire?[/quote]
[quote] President Obama is open to expanding the American military footprint in Iraq with a network of bases and possibly hundreds of additional troops to support Iraqi security forces in their fight against the Islamic State, White House officials said on Thursday.
As Iraqi forces struggle on the battlefield, aides said Mr. Obama would consider establishing a series of outposts where American advisers would work with Iraqi troops and local tribesmen. The bases would be run by Iraqis, and Americans would still not engage in ground combat, but they would play a more active role closer to the front lines.
White House officials stressed that no proposal has been presented to Mr. Obama and added that they anticipated no decision in the next few weeks. [color=blue]But the prospect of further escalation came a day after the administration announced the opening of a new base in Anbar Province, an Islamic State stronghold, with an additional 450 American troops, bringing the total in Iraq to 3,550 — the size of a typical Army brigade.[/color]
[color=blue]Administration officials said they would evaluate whether that new Anbar base makes a difference in coordinating the war effort and, if it does, would consider replicating the approach in other parts of the country.[/color] Although officials said it was possible other bases could be opened without again sending more American troops, they acknowledged that more bases could require additional deployments.[/quote]-June 11, 2015
And that’s a president who ran on a platform of extricating the U.S. from Iraq. Wait until the war pimps get back in power.