What is Trolling Exactly?


#125

Give me a break! Now I am accused of being inflammatory because I am being polite!?

If anyone took offence coz they thought I was being too polite - and I don’t believe anyone did - then I would wager they were already fully-primed to blow

But it does help to illuminate a point: for whatever reason - some people are hair-trigger sensitive to any perceived sense of personal injustice and as previous posters have pointed out, that’s how a lot of these problems start

So how can we dial that down?

There has been lots of talk about people “respecting divergent positions” - ok - great - but now you’ve got a 'real live one’!

I am the aforementioned ‘divergent position’ - disagreeing with some points, as you do, as a divergent, but doing it politely and not abusing anyone. Other points I am actively agreeing with

I want the discussion to be constructive. This is a chance to see if we can’t move the needle forward on human interaction within cyberspace - at least amongst users of Forumosa


#126

Good question!

And yep, it was wrong. I thought, maybe wrongly, the temperature of Rocket’s posts was rising, which is how I probably justified it to myself, but sure, telling someone to ‘Stay calm!’ is only ever going to be antagonistic, and counter-productive - I see that now


#127

Yeah, don’t flatter yourself, hotshot.:wink:


#128

Yes. Who cares.


#129

Edit: Elton John & Isaac Hayes (not Kenny G), that’s who.

(Don’t ask.)


#130

no, I’m not accusing you. Just said the impression from your posts. And, I’m not saying I got the impression because you are polite.

I meant to say I felt your way to ask questions others was impolite even though you are using polite language. if this makes a sense.

The matter was not your position, but the way or tone of your posts, for me. I think no one was offended by your posts, though. maybe just annoyed at most.


#131

Ok, but I think you are being over-sensitive

Instead of focusing on the miniature of the tone and whether that constitutes an opportunity to feel offended, or even ‘slightly annoyed’, I’d rather focus on the objective of the discussion - how can online interaction be improved?

And don’t worry, I am not putting myself forward as some shining example - I have crossed the line on a few occasions - I know that - and sure, I can argue ‘I was provoked!’ - but hope on this thread at least we can take a step back from that reactive impulse and find a better way to communicate - especially in discussion/argument scenarios

That solution does not mean, however, that I have to walk on eggshells the whole time and agree with everything that everybody says

From the locked thread, one thing that was noticeable was that the people who were claiming that trolling was ruining Forumosa seemed to be way more abusive than the people they were complaining about

It’s no good saying:

“I respect everyone’s right to have an opinion! (unless that opinion is different from mine - in which case you’re an effing this or effing that)”

It needs to actually mean something in practice

I am going to endeavour to show more restraint in my posting in argument threads, but I would ask other posters to consider the possibility that they are being too eager to take offence and then escalating situations by overreacting

As a previous poster mentioned:

Rocket expressed similar sentiments referring to discussion:

I agree!

But let’s try to remember that the above ideal does not always involve people agreeing with you - it’s a two-way street


#132

Compared to certain posters (nay, most posters), you’re a paragon of propriety, Mr. Council.


#133

so, I think in discussion/argument scenario, the tone or manner is as important as the content, and more important than polite language, to get a better communication on internet with many unspecified people. This is my position or opinion on your theme.

I still cannot get your points, and not sure you are doing intentionally or unconsciously. Some of your sentences could be manipulation tactic to deface the posts of other posters to win a debate. But it’s ok. This is your thread, and I got some fun here.


#134

Damn! There goes my reputation…


#135

Sure. I accept that. So long as you apply your forensic analysis of my ‘tone’ to the tone of other posters. Even if you don’t, I’ll still do my best

Ok, I understand how you could have that feeling as well coz my point is simple, but it is a question:

What can we do, as users of Forumosa, to improve clarity around what is considered to be acceptable posting behaviour in argument/discussion threads?

There has been a lot of great input - some of it I agree with (including most of yours), and some of it I don’t

Meanwhile, some posters accused me of asking too many questions, which is also understandable, but there are reasons:

(a) My point is a question. (b) I don’t have the answer.

As other posters said, they like discussions where opinions evolve - me too - a solution that involves all Forumosa users, needs input from a range of users - hence the questions

This is not an argument that can be won and forced down people’s throats - it’s gotta be a collective, conscious consideration


#136

Anyways, there’s a crapload of other reasons for one’s posts getting zotzed aside from perceived trolling.

Me and @Brianjones can vouch for that :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:


#137

You two are naughty, naughty boys.


#138

I’d ask you to share but then we might be getting into ‘lock-down’ territory, haha

But it’s definitely a concern - I have supported BJ on that issue on at least one occasion and had several posts censored myself

There is a feeling, rightly or wrongly, that in regard to application of the rules, there are some ‘protected species’


#139

I, like , literally don’t know what you guys have been talking about for the last 30 posts

Don’t have a clue!
Am I retarded? Can somebody let me in on the joke?


#140

Not every offense is an act of trolling, you know.

@Brianjones
南方公園 S1E5. I told you not to ask! :no_no:


#141

Erm, isn’t that exactly what I said???


#142

You may have meant the same thing, but the discussion was moving in the direction of the mods just delete whatever they want to delete.


#143

Which is true. I mean, yeah, they follow their logic, but their logic is so close to “they just delete whatever they want to delete”


#144

So why are you replying to me, the poster who isn’t “moving in that direction??”