# 15 years ago, this site was a whole lot better. **URL:** \ **Category:** Feedback\ **Created:** [May 10, 2018, 12:46pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283 "2018-05-10T12:46:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SuiGeneris](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/suigeneris/32/246773_2.png) [@SuiGeneris](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/SuiGeneris)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 12:46pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283/1 "2018-05-10T12:46:40Z")
15 years ago, this site was a whole lot better. Full of friendly people with really good discussions. Now it is a haven for a bunch of xenophobic posters. The hostility on here is such a turn off. No wonder why every thread is populated by the same half dozen people who seem to be the only regular posters here. There is so much loathing of Taiwanese on here it is really sad. ---
**Author:** ![Rocket](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/rocket/32/160144_2.png) [@Rocket](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Rocket)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283/2 "2018-05-10T13:21:06Z")
> [@Foreign English teacher kicks elderly woman's suitcase, curses Taiwanese on Taipei MRT](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-english-teacher-kicks-elderly-womans-suitcase-curses-taiwanese-on-taipei-mrt/169201/178): > > 15 years ago, this site was a whole lot better. Full of friendly people with really good discussions. Now it is a haven for a bunch of xenophobic posters. The hostility on here is such a turn off. No wonder why every thread is populated by the same half dozen people who seem to be the only regular posters here. There is so much loathing of Taiwanese on here it is really sad. :grandpa: ---
**Author:** ![ma3xiu1](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/ma3xiu1/32/81129_2.png) [@ma3xiu1](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/ma3xiu1)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 12:50am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283/3 "2018-05-11T00:50:52Z")
> [@Foreign English teacher kicks elderly woman's suitcase, curses Taiwanese on Taipei MRT](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-english-teacher-kicks-elderly-womans-suitcase-curses-taiwanese-on-taipei-mrt/169201/178): > > Now it is a haven for a bunch of xenophobic posters. Depends on what you are used to I guess. I grew up on IRC and 4chan, so I find this forum very, very tame. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Jack](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/charlie_jack/32/246096_2.png) [@Charlie\_Jack](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Charlie_Jack)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 10:45am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283/4 "2018-05-11T10:45:36Z")
The old days. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/TnrvCXJANjc/maxresdefault.jpg ""Dayton Ohio 1903" as sung by The Texans Barbershop Quartet") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnrvCXJANjc) Some of the posters of fifteen years ago were critical of local folks, sometimes very critical, assuming that’s what you mean by xenophobic (please note that the sentiments and thoughts expressed in the threads linked below are not necessarily mine): [Pet Peeves in Taiwan - #140 by cake](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pet-peeves-in-taiwan/784/140) [What's the most whack thing you've seen in Taiwan? - #163 by horizontalcrack](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/whats-the-most-whack-thing-youve-seen-in-taiwan/2542/163) ---
**Author:** ![tango42](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/82dd89/32.png) [@tango42](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tango42)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 11:04am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283/5 "2018-05-11T11:04:03Z")
I find it mostly chill ok. People don’t really flame or attack directly like other places like Reddit. People do get off subject a lot, joke a lot, or make inside jokes or comments that no one knows and all these can turn both the oldies and newbies off. Even though I have a joke, I try to hold off until the discussion gets going and try not to get off subject too much. ---
**Author:** ![mad\_masala](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/mad_masala/32/182103_2.png) [@mad\_masala](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/mad_masala)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 11:09am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283/6 "2018-05-11T11:09:24Z")
> [@SuiGeneris](#): > > 15 years ago, this site was a whole lot better impossible, I wasn’t here. ---
**Author:** ![shiadoa](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/shiadoa/32/10295_2.png) [@shiadoa](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/shiadoa)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 11:09am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283/7 "2018-05-11T11:09:37Z")
Tis for our entertainment only and the odd bit of advice for newcomers . There are problems that we love to complain about , like inefficiency , but everyone is aware their own Country is far from perfect . We choose to stay because we like it … for whatever reason . Complaining is a national pastime in the UK . It’s a hobby … 😊 ---
**Author:** ![tando](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tando](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tando)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 11:09am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283/8 "2018-05-11T11:09:47Z")
I feel people here are rather friendly. Might be different definitions of friendly? ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Milker](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/dr_milker/32/181996_2.png) [@Dr\_Milker](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Dr_Milker)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 11:12am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283/9 "2018-05-11T11:12:21Z")
I don’t recall things being any less or more xenophobic on the forum 15 years ago. Maybe SG’s skin is just growing thinner as ze gets older. Although it’s true that a number of posters who made valuable contributions are no longer active. If anything, I used to be _even more_ cynical about Taiwan. I guess I’m mellowing with age. ---
**Author:** ![Hamletintaiwan](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/ac8455/32.png) [@Hamletintaiwan](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Hamletintaiwan)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 11:15am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283/10 "2018-05-11T11:15:17Z")
15 years ago, I was handsome! ---
**Author:** ![shiadoa](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/shiadoa/32/10295_2.png) [@shiadoa](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/shiadoa)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 11:16am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283/11 "2018-05-11T11:16:49Z")
Before the stress of driving through red lights savaged your features? 😊 ---
**Author:** ![tando](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tando](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tando)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 11:23am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283/12 "2018-05-11T11:23:47Z")
> [@Dr\_Milker](#): > > it’s true that a number of posters who made valuable contributions are no longer active. It seems many of them had talked on sophisticated things more often. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Milker](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/dr_milker/32/181996_2.png) [@Dr\_Milker](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Dr_Milker)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 11:25am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283/13 "2018-05-11T11:25:50Z")
> [@tando](#): > > It seems many of them had talked on sophisticated things more often. Maybe that’s why they all left eventually…they were just too sophisticated for a blue collar country like Taiwan. 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![robi666](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/robi666/32/100625_2.png) [@robi666](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/robi666)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 11:26am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283/14 "2018-05-11T11:26:32Z")
You can make a difference! ---
**Author:** ![shiadoa](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/shiadoa/32/10295_2.png) [@shiadoa](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/shiadoa)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 11:27am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283/15 "2018-05-11T11:27:49Z")
> [@tando](#): > > It seems many of them had talked on sophisticated things more often. Wait…you mean Raccons, Cats, Dogs and Trump have no sophistication?🤨 ---
**Author:** ![BiggusDickus](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/biggusdickus/32/90381_2.png) [@BiggusDickus](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/BiggusDickus)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 11:28am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283/16 "2018-05-11T11:28:56Z")
I don’t know about 15 years ago, but 10 years ago there were some right grumpy fuckers on here. Check this out: > [@Taiwanese people are so gormless](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/taiwanese-people-are-so-gormless/12438): > > Fuck it, i know its racist, and probably not even what i really think but anyway… After another long evening in the fucking supermarket where teenagers lollygag and dawdle fecklessly, where old women push you with their trolleys, and adults stand mindlessly gawking at the top of the escalator deciding where to go first, I, Tom Hill am at the end of my fucking tether. String em up. :help: EDIT: crap, that was actually almost 15 years ago. I am so old. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Milker](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/dr_milker/32/181996_2.png) [@Dr\_Milker](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Dr_Milker)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 11:29am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283/17 "2018-05-11T11:29:22Z")
> [@shiadoa](#): > > Wait…you mean Raccons, Cats, Dogs and Trump have no sophistication?🤨 They used to talk about Tang poetry and calligraphy and shit…real high brow stuff. ---
**Author:** ![tando](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tando](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tando)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 11:30am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283/18 "2018-05-11T11:30:06Z")
> [@shiadoa](#): > > Wait…you mean Raccons, Cats, Dogs and Trump have no sophistication?🤨 Did I say that? ---
**Author:** ![Hamletintaiwan](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/ac8455/32.png) [@Hamletintaiwan](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Hamletintaiwan)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 11:33am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283/19 "2018-05-11T11:33:47Z")
> [@Dr\_Milker](#): > > They used to talk about Tang poetry and calligraphy and shit…real high brow stuff. Then a poet and a calligrapher learned some basic coding and they opened more dedicated forums. ---
**Author:** ![afterspivak](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ccd318/32.png) [@afterspivak](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/afterspivak)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 11:35am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283/20 "2018-05-11T11:35:21Z")
I heard that everyone got along so well in the old days that some of them left and formed another forum-which-shall-not be named. : P What I miss from days gone by are some of the really insightful posters–Northcoast Surfer, Mucha Man, and others–who have for various reasons moved on. For posters who remain active forumosans: it’s up to you (and up to us) to add value here. The situation in Taiwan is quite dynamic, with changes in laws that have for many of us dramatically increased the ease with which we can live here (I’m thinking here of all the efforts made by Forward Taiwan and other organizations to successfully push for change). There are obviously still many challenges living here in Taiwan and if this site can help us to navigate some of these challenges more smoothly–and also hopefully thrive!–then we have something really valuable. Let’s make this happen! Guy [Next page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/15-years-ago-this-site-was-a-whole-lot-better/169283.md?page=2)