2024 August Dual Nationality Petition Open Discussion

Sometimes, it feels like that’s exactly what the government want foreigners to do! Stay for some years, but then eventually leave.

That’s exactly what many want. They want the benefits, the tax revenue, but don’t want to pay you anything when you’ve served your usefulness.

So! @Mataiou

Wanna do another Petition?

Maybe a petition asking the MOI to release their figures.

No need, things are in motion, can’t disclose anything more, but very good things happened

Good luck with whatever’s in motion.

Didn’t stop some in the KMT from throwing out allegations throughout the campaign that she was still a dual citizen or she had previously renounced and regained her Taiwanese citizenship. :sweat_smile:

Your footsteps towards naturalization without renunciation are not forbidden. Next petition you need to be better organized get 20,000 ARC holders to be ready to sign it in the first few days.

Let the MOI want to throw their love to all these ARC strangers living in a strange land. They’d like to make ROC citizenship worth our while. Do what you must or see dual citizenship without renunciation forever be shattered and run through your fingers like dust off a decaying skeleton. Then it becomes a just a memory of a dream you once had.

MOI their position is you know what they say about beggars, baby.
You can’t complain about the rules

Or come diving with me and see creatures up close that will make you care less for any citizenship at all. Staying alive is the name of the game.

Yes let’s throw out some random new number and make that the bar—as if that would change anything in how the MOI responded. Puh-lease!

Guy

They will just hit the copy and paste button next time for ease.

I think it’s going to have to go in front of a judge eventually to get a ruling but even then…

I think I know what @Mataiou was referring to here:

From one of the other organizers, and it sounded promising to me. So let’s see.

That’s good. If crowdsourcing is needed for funding for lawyers we should do it if people want to contribute. (if needed)

I’ll contribute reading time and the odd bit of sarcasm. :whistle:

Yup being on a promise is a good thing.

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I wonder how Taiwanese citizens living in Taiwan react to those kinds of news:

Are they worried that - by Taiwanese citizens accepting other citizenships and voting in elections abroad - the risk increases of people having Taiwanese citizenship, but not being fully committed to Taiwan (as this is often being brought up on the topic of foreigners wanting to naturalize in Taiwan without renouncing)…?

On the other hand, the article shows that overseas Taiwanese face similar issues abroad as foreigners in Taiwan:

Liu Hsin-yi (劉欣怡), who has lived in Germany for 16 years, told CNA she finally became a German citizen in January, thanks to the liberalization of the nationality law.

“I didn’t want to abandon being Taiwanese [before the rule changes],” she explained.

And (funnily enough - I think we had a discussion in this thread whether pursuing a citizenship primarily for the sake of convenience is a valid reason):

Willen, a Taiwanese citizen who has lived in Germany for seven years, told CNA he applied for German citizenship mainly to “increase convenience” in his life.

Yet, the government in Taiwan publicly argues that allowing foreigners to become dual-citizens without renouncing would cause “burden” on the people in Taiwan and threatens national security.

I wonder if the people interviewed in the article also had to face similar issues in Germany (being told that their wish to become dual-citizens was wrong because it’s primarily for the sake of convenience or being told that having to make a decision between two citizenships is inherent part of naturalizing. Or just being called a “burden” by the government because of their descent)…?

I also wonder if those overseas Taiwanese who became dual-citizens abroad would still share the opinion of the government in Taiwan not allowing foreigners to become dual-citizens through naturalization in Taiwan while allowing nationals to become dual-citizens through naturalization abroad…?

The shift in German policy is a very useful lever.

Taiwan can make similar reforms (I hope they do) while claiming they are “catching up to recent trends.”

Guy

Do we have a Chinese version of this story?

The “ugly truth” behind using Germany as an example is that Germany only fully legalized dual-citizenship when over 25% of the population already had a “migration background”. And the conservative party (which won the last election) is already calling for retracting the relevant laws in their party program because they’re afraid that German citizenship is now being handed out too freely…

On the other hand, unlike Taiwan, Germany was actually following a “single-nationality” principle before those changes allowing dual-citizenship only in certain exceptions for both citizens and non-citizens (which over the years kept getting wider and wider).

It’s even more detailed than the English version and ends with:

對於一入籍就能馬上參與德國大選、持雙國籍的「台裔德國新公民」來說,今天的選舉不僅是德國民主初體驗,更象徵著在異鄉打拚多年的他們,終於也能透過選票發聲,傳達對自己生活所在地的願景與想望。

For the “new Taiwanese German citizens” who hold dual citizenship and can immediately participate in the German election once they become naturalized, today’s election is not only their first experience of German democracy, but also a symbol that after working hard in a foreign country for many years, they can finally make their voices heard through the ballot and convey their vision and aspirations for the place where they live.