5 U.S. GIs Charged in Iraq Rape-Slay Case

Well JD, that may take a little longer than anyone hoped.

What is it with the US army? Don’t these fuckwits realise the implications of their actions? Is this the natural legacy of giving criminals an alternative, prison or the military?

Un-be-fucking-lievable!

HG

[quote]Claims US troops raped and killed Iraq civilians
July 2, 2006
Military officials are investigating allegations that US Army soldiers raped a young Iraq woman in her home near Baghdad before killing her and three members of her family.

The soldiers are from the same platoon that lost three members in a brutal insurgent attack on June 16.

Two of the dead soldiers, from the 502nd Infantry Regiment of the 101st Airborne Division, were kidnapped and then tortured and beheaded.

The allegation of the March rape and slayings came to light in a battlefield stress counselling session for members of the platoon, when two soldiers raised the issue.

Neither soldier said they witnessed the alleged killings, but said they had overheard conversations about them from fellow soldiers.

Officials said the woman’s body apparently was burned after the alleged killings.

The inquiry is the fifth launched in recent months in which US troops have either been investigated or charged under military law for the wrongful deaths of unarmed Iraqi civilians. The military said 14 US troops had been convicted in the deaths of Iraqis since the 2003 US-led invasion.

“A preliminary inquiry conducted by Multinational Division-Baghdad found sufficient information existed to recommend a criminal investigation into the incident,” said a brief written statement by the commander of coalition troops in Baghdad, Major General James Thurman. It is unclear how many soldiers are involved in the inquiry.[/quote]

I think they key here is:

[quote]"The [b]allegation[/b] of the March rape and slayings came to light in a battlefield stress counselling session for members of the platoon, when two soldiers raised the issue.

[i]Neither soldier said they witnessed the alleged killings, but said they had overheard conversations about them from fellow soldiers.[/i]"[/quote]
Battlefield scuttlebut is not something to get excited about. Lets do theinvestigation and proceed with facts. The UCMJ is more severe than any civilian judicial counterpart.
So lets save the hyperbole until the facts are known.

:laughing: :laughing: :notworthy: Good one! :bravo: :bravo:

[quote=“TainanCowboy”]I think they key here is:

[quote]"The [b]allegation[/b] of the March rape and slayings came to light in a battlefield stress counselling session for members of the platoon, when two soldiers raised the issue.

[i]Neither soldier said they witnessed the alleged killings, but said they had overheard conversations about them from fellow soldiers.[/i]"[/quote]
Battlefield scuttlebut is not something to get excited about. Lets do theinvestigation and proceed with facts. The UCMJ is more severe than any civilian judicial counterpart.
So lets save the hyperbole until the facts are known.[/quote]


Yawn…

Dishonor in Iraq

[i]IT IS the cumulative effect of atrocities allegedly committed by U.S. soldiers in Iraq that gravely threatens the fate of the many honorable American troops serving there. And it is the worst possible scenario that could be introduced in violent Iraq at this most tenuous time in its history.

As word spreads of another U.S. inquiry into the killing of Iraqi civilians - the fifth in recent months - the backlash against soldiers in the region could be severe.

The latest incident involves the horrific rape and killing of a young Iraqi woman and the execution-style slaying of three members of her family.

A former Army private honorably discharged because of an “anti-social personality disorder” is accused of rape and four counts of murder. Three other U.S. soldiers are suspected of taking part. Investigators say Steven Green and several soldiers plotted to rape a woman, reportedly as young as 14, that they had ogled at a checkpoint.

Other soldiers’ accounts then had Mr. Green and cohorts traveling to a nearby home intending to rape the victim.

According to investigators, Mr. Green rounded up three family members in a room and shot them before he and another soldier raped the woman. Afterward the 21-year-old Green allegedly shot her in the head and set her body on fire.

In hindsight, Iraqi retaliation for the March murders may have already been dealt. Two soldiers who were kidnapped, killed, and mutilated in June were from the same platoon as Mr. Green.

The military, which initially thought the soldiers were targeted because they had become separated from their unit, is now investigating a connection between what happened months apart in nearby towns.

And livid Iraqis are adamant that their new government conduct an investigation of its own into what some are calling the
“ugly face of America.”

Already strained relations between U.S. military and Iraqis are made even worse with a succession of what Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki calls
military “mistakes.” They’re starting to add up after Abu Ghraib, Haditha, and the rape-murders in March.

yawn

Last month 12 murder charges were reportedly brought against U.S. troops in Iraq, more than in the rest of the three years since the U.S. invasion.

The exceedingly difficult duty of American soldiers still serving in Iraq has been seriously compromised by rot within the ranks. And U.S. commanders anxious to reduce their forces and leave a friendly Iraq behind may be hard pressed to do either any time soon.[/i]
toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar … -1/OPINION

Iraq is going well… Hearts and minds are being won…

Victory is nigh…

Considering the fact that Tainan Cowboy frequents sites such as this: tomeaker.com/
He doesn’t really deserve a reply…… but as I am a generous person… ….
Check the link……

Again here is an interesting thing…and by NO MEANS am I suggesting that these men, if found guilty should not break big rocks into little rocks for 25 years…the US is held to a much higher standard…

Check THIS out (and then wonder why ONE rape is making such headlines when these stories passed through the news like greasy fecal matter):

prisonplanet.com/news_alert_ … trade.html[quote]
But it found evidence of sexual atrocities being committed by troops from the regional intervention force, Ecomog, and the UN peacekeeping mission.

Women were used by all sides as chattels, kidnapped from their homes often in rural areas and forced to act as sex slaves for the troops as well as domestic maids responsible for cooking and household chores.

“To date there has been no accountability for the thousands of crimes of sexual violence or other appalling human rights abuses committed during the war in Sierra Leone,” the report said.

A UN war crimes tribunal set up to investigate such allegations has been slow to start work and not many in Sierra Leone hold out much hope that it will bring more than a few perpetrators to justice.[/quote]

[quote]

worldnetdaily.com/news/artic … E_ID=42088
* A French U.N. logistics expert in the Congo shot pornographic videos in his home, in which he had converted his bedroom into a photo studio for videotaping his sexual abuse of young girls. When police raided his home, the man was allegedly about to rape a 12-year-old girl sent to him in a law enforcement sting operation. As the Times reported, a senior Congolese police officer confirmed the bed was surrounded by large mirrors on three sides, with a remote control camera on the fourth side.

* [b]U.N. officials are worried that the scandal, which already has netted 150 allegations of sex crimes by U.N. staffers, will explode if the pornographic videos and photos, now on sale in Congo, becoming public[/b]

  "It would be a pretty big problem for the U.N. if these pictures come out," one senior official told the Times.

* [b]Two Russian pilots paid young girls with jars of mayonnaise and jam[/b] to have sex with them, the report adds.

* [b]U.N. "peacekeepers" from Morocco based in Kisangani – a secluded town on the Congo River – are notorious for impregnating local women and girls. In March, an international group probing the scandal found 82 women and girls had been made pregnant by Moroccan U.N. staffers and 59 others by Uruguayan staffers. One U.N. soldier accused of rape was apparently hidden in the barracks for a year.[/b]

  Congo's Minister of Defense Maj.-Gen. Jean Pierre Ondekane told a top U.N. official that all [b]U.N. "peacekeepers" in Kisangani would be remember for would be "for running after little girls,[/b]" the Times reported.

* And at least two U.N. officials – a Ukrainian and a Canadian – have been forced to leave the African nation after getting local women pregnant.

Most of the sexual abuse and exploitation, says the report, involves trading sex for money, food or jobs. However, some victims say they were raped, but later given food or money to make the incident appear to have been consensual – “rape disguised as prostitution.” [/quote]

How’s that for a little perspective?

I’m not sure what your point is JD.

Ogling a 14 yr old then going to her house to kill 3 of her family, then raping her, then shooting her in the head, then trying to burn her body…

And 4 others were in on it. :noway:

It’s all shocking and evil, yes, but to me this latest chapter in Iraq seems much more evil that anything you mention. How much worse can it get?

Oh, in that case JD, all’s well. After all, it was only one kiddy, apparently 14 and not 20 as the US military claim. She probably asked for it in any case, perhaps too revealing a burqhar? When will these people ever learn?

Cheers for that cheery reference.

HG

Nations are not responsible for each and every individual action. If so, nations around the world would be suing Britain for its drunken, violent, yobbish hooligans. What we are responsible for is ensuring that justice is served. I have every confidence that the US and its military forces will investigate this impartially and that those who are guilty will be punished accordingly.

So why were the initial claims by US officials that the girl was over 20, when it seems to be clear to everyone involved (not to mention her ID card) that she was infact 14, or there abouts.

Honest mistake?

I have no idea. The investigation is ongoing. Facts remain to be clarified.

Why assume otherwise? Has the US been able to sweep anything under the rug? what? with our ever diligent media out there getting the “facts?”

Anyway, I am sure that when you have 150k troops fighting under very difficult conditions, people will snap. We must recognize that and ensure that such “snaps” are limited and those that do occur are punished. This has nothing to do with Iraq. It has to do with maintaining our own well-being. I see no threat to that occuring and continue to have great confidence in the US military and government.

[quote=“Huang Guang Chen”]Oh, in that case JD, all’s well. After all, it was only one kiddy, apparently 14 and not 20 as the US military claim. She probably asked for it in any case, perhaps too revealing a burqhar? When will these people ever learn?

Cheers for that cheery reference.

HG[/quote]

Dude, you are so far off target that it bothers me. As I said, the guys who did this should be tried and if convicted sent to Azbakan.

My point in the UN references was that their scandals are glanced over and ignored yet on a scale of the horrific, are far worse than one rape/murder.

TRUANT wrote:[quote]
It’s all shocking and evil, yes, but to me this latest chapter in Iraq seems much more evil that anything you mention.[/quote]

THAT is my point my friend. WHY is this case “more evil” than the systematic abuse of power that UN peacekeepers and staff have been accused of? Dozens and dozens of girls, perhaps hundreds, kiddyporn…murder? Quite possibly…or is it SO lawless that there is NO fear or retribution?

I am NOT defending these guys, if they did rape and kill this girl, but to say that her case FAR outweighs what the UN itself has been accused of confuses me.

please clarify…

Here JD, I believe you left this in another thread about suicidal super heroes. :laughing:

HG

[quote=“jwcampbell”][quote=“TainanCowboy”]I think they key here is:

[quote]"The [b]allegation[/b] of the March rape and slayings came to light in a battlefield stress counselling session for members of the platoon, when two soldiers raised the issue.

[i]Neither soldier said they witnessed the alleged killings, but said they had overheard conversations about them from fellow soldiers.[/i]"[/quote]
Battlefield scuttlebut is not something to get excited about. Lets do theinvestigation and proceed with facts. The UCMJ is more severe than any civilian judicial counterpart.
So lets save the hyperbole until the facts are known.[/quote]


Yawn…

Dishonor in Iraq

[i]IT IS the cumulative effect of atrocities allegedly committed by U.S. soldiers in Iraq that gravely threatens the fate of the many honorable American troops serving there. And it is the worst possible scenario that could be introduced in violent Iraq at this most tenuous time in its history.

As word spreads of another U.S. inquiry into the killing of Iraqi civilians - the fifth in recent months - the backlash against soldiers in the region could be severe.

The latest incident involves the horrific rape and killing of a young Iraqi woman and the execution-style slaying of three members of her family.

A former Army private honorably discharged because of an “anti-social personality disorder” is accused of rape and four counts of murder. Three other U.S. soldiers are suspected of taking part. Investigators say Steven Green and several soldiers plotted to rape a woman, reportedly as young as 14, that they had ogled at a checkpoint.

Other soldiers’ accounts then had Mr. Green and cohorts traveling to a nearby home intending to rape the victim.

According to investigators, Mr. Green rounded up three family members in a room and shot them before he and another soldier raped the woman. Afterward the 21-year-old Green allegedly shot her in the head and set her body on fire.

In hindsight, Iraqi retaliation for the March murders may have already been dealt. Two soldiers who were kidnapped, killed, and mutilated in June were from the same platoon as Mr. Green.

The military, which initially thought the soldiers were targeted because they had become separated from their unit, is now investigating a connection between what happened months apart in nearby towns.

And livid Iraqis are adamant that their new government conduct an investigation of its own into what some are calling the
“ugly face of America.”

Already strained relations between U.S. military and Iraqis are made even worse with a succession of what Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki calls
military “mistakes.” They’re starting to add up after Abu Ghraib, Haditha, and the rape-murders in March.

yawn

Last month 12 murder charges were reportedly brought against U.S. troops in Iraq, more than in the rest of the three years since the U.S. invasion.

The exceedingly difficult duty of American soldiers still serving in Iraq has been seriously compromised by rot within the ranks. And U.S. commanders anxious to reduce their forces and leave a friendly Iraq behind may be hard pressed to do either any time soon.[/i]
toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar … -1/OPINION

Iraq is going well… Hearts and minds are being won…

Victory is nigh…

Considering the fact that Tainan Cowboy frequents sites such as this: tomeaker.com/
He doesn’t really deserve a reply…… but as I am a generous person… ….
Check the link…… [/quote]What are you on about?
Do you have something to say? I don’t think its any of your simple minded fucking business where I get a graphic from unless its from you.
Piss off asshat.

[quote=“jdsmith”]Dragonbones wrote:[quote]
It’s all shocking and evil, yes, but to me this latest chapter in Iraq seems much more evil that anything you mention.[/quote][/quote]

Interesting.

[quote=“TainanCowboy”]I think they key here is:

[quote]“The [b]allegation[/b] of the March rape and slayings came to light in a battlefield stress counselling session for members of the platoon, when two soldiers raised the issue.
[i]Neither soldier said they witnessed the alleged killings, but said they had overheard conversations about them from fellow soldiers.[/i]”[/quote]Battlefield scuttlebut is not something to get excited about. Lets do theinvestigation and proceed with facts. The UCMJ is more severe than any civilian judicial counterpart.
So lets save the hyperbole until the facts are known.[/quote]As mentioned, continuing develoments in this trajic situation.

[quote]5 U.S. GIs Charged in Iraq Rape-Slay Case
Jul 9, 10:26 AM (ET), By ROBERT H. REID

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Four more U.S. soldiers have been charged with rape and murder and a fifth with dereliction of duty in the alleged rape-slaying of a young Iraqi woman and the killings of her relatives in Mahmoudiya, the military said Sunday.

The five were accused Saturday following an investigation into allegations that American soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division raped the teenager and killed her and three relatives at her home south of Baghdad.

Ex-soldier Steven D. Green was arrested last week in North Carolina and has pleaded not guilty to one count of rape and four counts of murder.

The U.S. statement said the five soldiers still on active duty will face an Article 32 investigation, similar to a grand jury hearing in civilian law. The Article 32 proceeding will determine whether there is enough evidence to place them on trial.

One of the soldiers was charged with failing to report the attack but is not believed to have participated in it directly, the statement said.

The names of the four soldiers were not released.

The March 12 attack on the family was among the worst in a series of cases of U.S. troops accused of killing and abusing Iraqi civilians. U.S. officials are concerned that the alleged rape-slaying will strain relations with the new U.S.-backed government and increase calls for changes in the agreement that exempts American soldiers from prosecution in Iraqi courts.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has demanded an independent investigation into the case, which followed a series of allegations that U.S. troops killed and mistreated Iraqi civilians.

According to an FBI affidavit filed in Green’s case, Green and at least two others targeted the teenager and her family for a week before the attack, which was not revealed until witnesses came forward in late June.

The soldiers drank alcohol, abandoned their checkpoint, changed clothes to avoid detection and headed to the victims’ house, about 200 yards from a U.S. military checkpoint in the so-called “Triangle of Death,” a Sunni Arab area south of Baghdad known for its violence, the affidavit said.

The affidavit estimated the rape victim was about 25. But a doctor at the Mahmoudiya hospital gave her age as 14. He refused to be identified for fear of reprisals.

Green is accused of raping the woman and killing her and three relatives - an adult male and female and a girl estimated to be 5 years old. An official familiar with the investigation said he set fire to the rape victim’s body in an apparent cover-up attempt.

Iraqi authorities identified the rape victim as Abeer Qassim Hamza. The other victims were her father, Qassim Hamza; her mother, Fikhriya Taha; and her sister, Hadeel Qassim Hamza.
apnews.myway.com/article/20060709/D8IOH4H00.html[/quote]
I’d say at least one is looking at a rope in Leavenworth and a few others are going to spend their remaining adult years there.

Wow!

I guess it will eventually all come out, but I am curious about that Green chap being disharged as a pschopath, and of course if there is any correlation between the two other members of that unit being captured and beheaded. I wouldn’t be suprised in a tribal place like rural Iraq if the beheadings were a form of misguided payback. I wonder too if this prompted others to report the crime. All speculation, of course as I have no idea what came first.

HG

[quote=“Huang Guang Chen”][quote]I’d say at least one is looking at a rope in Leavenworth and a few others are going to spend their remaining adult years there.[/quote]Wow!
I guess it will eventually all come out, but I am curious about that Green chap being disharged as a pschopath, and of course if there is any correlation between the two other members of that unit being captured and beheaded. I wouldn’t be suprised in a tribal place like rural Iraq if the beheadings were a form of misguided payback. I wonder too if this prompted others to report the crime. All speculation, of course as I have no idea what came first.
HG[/quote]Some further links:

From the Army -
defenselink.mil/news/Jul2006 … _5614.html

On Greems history -
chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/ … 27333.html

The actual complaint on Green -
news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/iraq … 06cmp.html

Keeping in mind, under the US system of Justice, an individual is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

[quote]According to an FBI affidavit filed in Green’s case, Green and at least two others targeted the teenager and her family for a week before the attack, which was not revealed until witnesses came forward in late June.
[/quote]

Wow! This guy is in big fucking shit, if all this is true.

There is NO excuse for this kind of barbaric behavior in a war. Even beheadings, which are horrific, are expected in a war in this region…but to target victims for rape?

No way.

If they are found guilty of this…shoot them. Or better yet, put them in an Iraqi prison for whatever term the Iraqis deem sufficient.

But, lest we forget…this case has not yet gone to trial…as of now, it’s still an “if.”

Cheers for the links TC, actually I have read those.

By the way,

Psychopath is the old term for the very same condition now known as antisocial personality disorder. Possibly required after Hollywood blew that term into nasty areas.

Sociapaths, as they are now known, can be incrediby manipulative. A core feature is a lack of remorse, they just don’t give a shit about other people. They can be somewhat charismatic, which aids their ability at manipulation.

HG

That was then.

The Cheney administration has repeatedly argued in federal court that the executive branch now has the legal right to seize any American citizen on U.S. soil, declare them an “enemy combatant” without having to present any evidence or bring them to trial and can hold them indefinitely in solitary confinement until they alone decide to release them.

Fortunately only guilty citizens are subject to this treatment though so there’s no need to worry. Just don’t press your luck by pissing the Whitehouse off.

Are you listening Joe Wilson?