5 U.S. GIs Charged in Iraq Rape-Slay Case

[quote=“Truant”][quote=“jdsmith”]Dragonbones wrote:[quote]
It’s all shocking and evil, yes, but to me this latest chapter in Iraq seems much more evil that anything you mention.[/quote][/quote]

Interesting.[/quote]

SORRRRY

All taken care of. :blush:

"Things are going great, and they’re only getting better…

[quote]BAGHDAD, July 9 — A mob of gunmen went on a brazen daytime rampage through a predominantly Sunni Arab district of western Baghdad on Sunday, pulling people from their cars and homes and killing them in what officials and residents called a spasm of revenge by Shiite militias for the bombing of a Shiite mosque on Saturday. Hours later, two car bombs exploded beside a Shiite mosque in another Baghdad neighborhood in a deadly act of what appeared to be retaliation.

While Baghdad has been ravaged by Sunni-Shiite bloodletting in recent months, even by recent standards the violence here on Sunday was frightening, delivered with impunity by gun-wielding vigilantes on the street. In the culture of revenge that has seized Iraq, residents all over the city braced for an escalation in the cycle of retributive mayhem between the Shiites and Sunnis that has threatened to expand into civil war.[/quote]

nytimes.com/2006/07/10/world/middleeast/

…The future’s so bright I gotta wear shades"

Can you even imagine the sort of bile flushing through these guys’ brains?

Farking animals. Despite all that I would hope, it seems mercy has just got to go out the window.
The question is, how many of these scum do you have to kill before they stop coming? Does it matter?

HG

According to Azzaman, an Iraqi newspaper which is also published in English, Abeer was 16 years old…

Quote:[i] The rape of the 16-year-old Abeer by a group of U.S. Marines who watched her house tugged in a corner of Mahmoudiya district is a miniature of what has been going on in Iraq at the hands of U.S. occupation troops and Iraqi militias.

The U.S. military is investigating the crime but the result, in the worst circumstances, is going to be light punishment for one or two Marines as has been the case with the U.S. criminals behind the abuses of Abu Ghraib.

The Americans can say that the crimes perpetrated by the militias are a hundred times more than those committed by their troops.

This hypothesis might be true. But who is responsible for the existence of these militias? Who is behind their prosperity and influence?

The answer is clear and points directly at the United States.[/i]
azzaman.com/english/index.as … =editorial\2006-07-07\133.htm

Interesting to read an Iraqi point of view…(god forbid!)…the opinion section is a must read if of course you are interested in what other people think………

Interesting headlines…yawn:
Kill first and apologize later
America violates all moral criteria in its war in Iraq
The Haditha massacre is but one of many
azzaman.com/english/index.as … nopinionen

Also came across this online Video from Rolling Stone magazine……it shows a group of young good ol’ boys spreading freedom and democracy…pornography….and fashion tips…(via the barrel of the gun….of course)……it would be hilarious except it’s not a joke……such cultural insularity is extremely dangerous….how can you beat your enemy if you don’t know you enemy……?

The comments thread is also interesting….
rollingstone.com/nationalaffairs/?p=237

According to other news accounts, Zarkawi’s “wife” was 14 when they got married. Think that she had a choice?

I sincerely doubt that rape by US troops has been the huge problem that you claim, but feel free to prove it.

The investigations into Haditha and this rape are not yet over and I am sure the verdicts will be fair. The perpetrators of the “abuse” in Abu Ghraib were punished. Remember that for all the media hype, there was little to no “torture” involved. AND it was thoroughly investigated and all higher ups were cleared. There was no official policy to “soften up” targets AND there were few other complaints, hence the view that the abuse at Abu Ghraib was an isolated example of soldiers without sufficient supervision running wild.

Already though in the Haditha case, heads are starting to roll and we do not even know if the Marines did in fact commit the actions that were alleged. Highly politicized figures in the Sunni community were involved in the original “claims.” Let’s wait and see what happens, BUT already the US government is punishing Marine leaders for not sufficiently monitoring and following up on conflicting claims in the case to ensure that no one was covering up for anyone.

Not according to the general in charge of Abu Ghraib prison at the time:

“People have escaped blame, all the way up to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and the vice president.”
– Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski

N[quote]ot according to the general in charge of Abu Ghraib prison at the time:

“People have escaped blame, all the way up to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and the vice president.”
– Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski[/quote]

Ironically, you have quoted the one person who was singled out for the most punishment. Coincidence? haha

“To hate America is to hate mankind.”

Why do you hate freedom?

Genocidal, imperial, aggressive, torturing, raping USA… Love it or leave it.

So what is your point?..The age of consent for marriage in Utah is 14…ummm that’s in ummm
Canada?..
law.cornell.edu/topics/Table_Marriage.htm
family-law.freeadvice.com/ut_par … onsent.htm

Oh but of course it is impossible to make a comparison with other cultures that allow this disgraceful practice to continue with America’s morally superior culture…….

[quote=“fred smith”]N[quote]ot according to the general in charge of Abu Ghraib prison at the time:

“People have escaped blame, all the way up to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and the vice president.”
– Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski[/quote]

Ironically, you have quoted the one person who was singled out for the most punishment. Coincidence? haha[/quote]

Even more ironic – you might have missed this – Maj. Gen. Geoffrey D. Miller, "who once supervised the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba and helped set up operations at Abu Ghraib ", has taken the fifth in recent court-martial proceedings against enlisted soldiers accused of abuse at Abu Ghraib on the grounds it might intend to incriminate him.

Who exactly and how exactly did the US rape anyone? Surely you mean the soldiers in question? Shall we also blame each and every national government of the rapes and murders committed by their citizens? What we should examine is whether justice is eventually served. I believe that it will be.

Spook:

Yes, be sure and let me know when you have definitive proof on any of these claims. The allegations keep flying and then dying (hey that is almost worthy of MFGR). When something sticks, be sure and let us know.

In the meantime, I am SHOCKED that all of you are so eager to try and convict these people without allowing them a fair trial. Isn’t that precisely what you all hated about the Patriot Act? My contempt grows and grows.

I have no idea what this means, but it seems to be another example of “selective outrage.” By the way, there are other threads where your points have been answered and questions asked. You seem to have disappeared. I will assume that even you realize the futility of your, er, “views.” Be sure and come back and let us all know if that isn’t the case. I am sure that we are all looking forward with greater anticipation to your further “insights.” haha I, for one, would love to laugh to the extent that your first post inspired. After all, they say laughter is the best medicine, eh? haha haha haha haha haha. I think I will go back and reread that one. haha haha haha haha hahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaqh

[quote=“fred smith”]
Spook:

Yes, be sure and let me know when you have definitive proof on any of these claims. [/quote]

Which claims do you want me to provide proof for? That the commanding officer in charge of Abu Ghraib claimed that higher-ups escaped accountability for the abuses there or that one of those higher-ups took the fifth when asked to testify about the abuses?

Maybe both? Either way I’d be happy to oblige. Just let me know what you want. :slight_smile:

[quote]
In the meantime, I am SHOCKED that all of you are so eager to try and convict these people without allowing them a fair trial. Isn’t that precisely what you all hated about the Patriot Act? My contempt grows and grows.[/quote]

Mine 2.

But it beats thinking. :unamused:

But Fred, it’s merely a measure of how well you convinced us all on the trial-less guilt of those at Gitmo, Zarqawi, et al. Stand tall!

HG

But Fred, it’s merely a measure of how well you convinced us all on the trial-less guilt of those at Gitmo, Zarqawi, et al. Stand tall!

HG[/quote]

Oh please, like there weren’t investigations on ALL of the Gitmo POWs…and uhm, didn’t Zarkawi saw people’s heads off on video, and take credit for leading the Iraqi insurgency, and for being responsible for blowing up hudreds of innocent Iraqi civilians? I WISH we’d gotten him alive and put his ass on trial.

Oh that’s right, sorry, but umm, how did your supreme court describe those tribunals, BTW?

goose
gander.

HG

Not sure where else to post this as the logical slot is locked.

Anyway, interesting article from Fred Kaplan in Slate.

[quote]Counterinsurgency by the Book
The lessons of a new Army Field Manual
.
By Fred Kaplan
Posted Saturday, July 8, 2006, at 7:09 AM ET
Maj. Gen. David H. PetraeusTwo messages flutter between the lines of the U.S. Army’s new field manual on counterinsurgency wars, its first document on the subject in 20 years.

One is that Pentagon planning for the Iraq war’s aftermath was at least as crass, inattentive to the lessons of history, and contrary to basic political and military principles as the war’s harshest critics have charged.

The other is that as a nation we may simply be ill-suited to fight these kinds of wars.[/quote]

The draft manual is here:

I for one feel rather vindicated.

HG

Oh that’s right, sorry, but umm, how did your supreme court describe those tribunals, BTW?

goose
gander.

HG[/quote]

I have always said if they’re illegal, let them go, but first go through the system. Same with the “illegal” taping and SWIFT stuff…

why deny the troops due process?

That’s plain stupid. Taking out your Bushian frustrations on the troops (who granted, could very well be proved guilty) before they are tried.

According to other news accounts, Zarkawi’s “wife” was 14 when they got married. Think that she had a choice?[/quote]

Yeah Fred, but he didn’t gang rape her and then murder her in cold blood.

[quote]By ROBERT H. REID

BAGHDAD, Iraq Jul 11, 2006 (AP)— An al-Qaida-linked group posted a Web video Tuesday purporting to show the mutilated bodies of two U.S. soldiers, claiming it killed them in revenge for the rape-slaying of a young Iraqi woman by American troops from the same unit.

The Mujahedeen Shura Council previously claimed responsibility for killing the two soldiers, who were snatched in a June 16 attack near the town of Youssifiyah, southwest of Baghdad. A third soldier was killed in the attack.

But the statement was the first time the group linked the slaying to the rape case.

A statement by the group said the video was released as “revenge for our sister who was dishonored by a soldier of the same brigade.”

It said that as soon as fighters heard of the rape-slaying, “they kept their anger to themselves and didn’t spread the news, but were determined to avenge their sister’s honor.”

“God Almighty enabled them to capture two soldiers of the same brigade as this dirty crusader,” said the written statement posted along with the video. [/quote]

abcnews.go.com/International/Ira … SFeeds0312

The US soldiers will get a couple years in Leavenworth, if that, then get let out early.
Meanwhile, the Iraqi’s are meting out some justice of their own. Hahahahahahahaha…