This is an interesting composition call 9 Commentaries on the CCP. It seems to be making its rounds in China and the west. Its from Dec04/Jan05 so maybe it has been posted before, not sure. I think now it is relevant giving the recent KMT/CCP contacts. The truth about the CCP is what the DDP/TSU should be using in response to any deals cut by the KMTraitors.
Gordon Chang, the lawyer who wrote the book "Coming Collapse of China, gave a speech about the 9 commentaires on the CCP in Jan05 and states it is the reason for eventual collapse of china. It is worth reading as well.
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Falungong topic is barely touched upon (something i dont even care about other than right of choice in religious worship).
Edit: Yeah, i did a search and saw this topic has been covered, also the link has something to do with FG. They had me fooled as i did not see the connection at all. There is still some value in the articles though. The Gordon Chang link is worth a look at the very least.
LOL… with Falun Gong propaganda, who knows how much of it is true, and therein lies the problem. Knowing proper history from verified sources is one thing. On the other hand, the propagandizing by Falun Gong is totally woirthless.
Isn’t it strange that Falungong has now become a major rallying ground for Chinese who don’t see eye to eye with the commies. Old-time dissidents like Lin Baohua, veterans from the democracy wall and Shanghai spring movements in the 1970s, the Tiananmen movement, and more recent dissidents like Cao Changqing and He Qinglian are all getting air time on Falungong-sponsored media.
Of course, we never know how much of Falungong’s claims about persecution are true. One convenient fact is that verification of their negative news is very difficult in commie China.
The nine commentaries are evoking very emotional responses from Chinese around the world who went through the Cultural Revolution and other big ones. They are also making their rounds in non-Chinese speaking countries. The Russian newspaper Isvetia recently published the Russian version of their nine commentaries.
These are very different from earlier Falungong media – they don’t try to proselytize, and they present themselves as real pro journos. Bringing down the commies seems to be their top mission.
Yeah great. All those guys with no outlet/sponsor any more. That Gordon G. Chang, yeah, lawyer… great academic perspective there, predicting the doom of PRC since whenever. Especially that Cao Changqing, showpiece/mouthpiece/model-PRC-citizen/motivational-speaker all rolled into one for the DPP/TSU/green media. Seeing how he has no job, he’s probably living off their dole. Have you heard the shit he says? It’s more partisan than the worst day of Taipei Times. He hasn’t been much of a Chinese dissident these days. Falung Gong takes the dregs.
This has been discussed in another thread. Basically, this is quite convenient for them.
According to Falun Gong, that is. Meanwhile, in the real world, nobody seems to care. They’ve done nothing, frankly. Leave it to sane people to criticize the CCP rationally and might have more of an effect.
[quote]They are also making their rounds in non-Chinese speaking countries. The Russian newspaper Isvetia recently published the Russian version of their nine commentaries.
Yeah they translate their stuff into a bazillion languages and put it on a hundred front web sites for Falun Gong.
“Bringing down the commies” as a goal makes them real pro journalism? Uh… no. More like the Taipei Times kind of “news.” Except they make up stuff. Probably makes up more stuff than People’s Daily. And for “real” “pro” “journalsim,” they don’t exactly sell well, seeing how they give theirs away in Chinatowns around the world yet people still choose paid newspapers over it.
No, I haven’t seen much of Cao’s recent rhetoric, but I know he can be over the top sometimes.
However, he is also one of the very few Chinese dissidents who calls for Taiwanese and Tibetan self-determination – at least in his early days. I don’t know what he’s advocating these days. For this I respect him more than I do other Chinese dissidents like Wang Dan, who are fine people but seem unable to resolve this inner conflict of theirs. On the one hand, they want to see a democratic China and want Taiwan to help it happen. On the other hand, when Taiwan is facing increasing danger from commie China instead of commie China being helped, they seem unable to make up their minds about their Chinese nationalist views.
And then there’s He Qinglian, a business journalist who fled China in 2001 after the commies banned her critique of Deng Xiaoping’s economic reforms. I’m curious what you’d have to say about her. To me she’s at least different from Gordon Chang in that she lived and worked in China until recently. She seems to have a deeper insights into the Chinese economy than Chang, and she’s not exactly a pro-Taiwan independence person as far as I know.
This has been discussed in another thread. Basically, this is quite convenient for them…[/quote]
Then perhaps the commies should make their “lies” inconvenient by letting people go into China and check, don’t you think?
According to Falun Gong, that is. Meanwhile, in the real world, nobody seems to care. They’ve done nothing, frankly. Leave it to sane people to criticize the CCP rationally and might have more of an effect.[/quote]
Just one example. These articles (in Chinese) Part One and Part Two look difficult enough to fake. The commie could easily expose a fake story about a man of this stature.
If nobody seems to care, a top Russian paper like the Isvetia wouldn’t have published it, don’t you think? And if Falungong has done nothing, the commies wouldn’t have tried to pressure that European satellite firm to cut their beaming over Asia.
No, I didn’t say they are real journos. I only said they present themselves as real journos. Your robust reaction seems somewhat uncalled for. And it wouldn’t be difficult to understand if their circulation hasn’t risen fast enough, given the omnipresent tentacles of the commies in overseas Chinese communities around the world.
This I think not. Falun Gong papers don’t fly off the shelves because the people who most know about the PRC, the citizens themselves (including older ones), can smell its Falun Gong propaganda smell from a mile away. If people got tired of the overseas edition of People’s Daily, they won’t pick up Epoch Times as a replacement, except to get a good chuckle from both of them.
Speaking of the Epoch Times, does anyone remember recently when they published some schlock about millions of Chinese apparently resigning from the Communist Party in an apparent wave of protests? Reading from their own words, one wouldn’t actually come to realize the fine print, which was that all the resignations were firstly anonymous. Secondly people who were no longer members of the party years ago could resign a second time. Third they took resignations from people who were not even technically members of the communist party. And the most amusing factor was, get this, they took resignations from dead people. People who had been dead for years could resign from the communist party if a surviving friend or relative declared it so.
Ah the Epoch Times just never stops being amusing.
[quote=“cmdjing”]Speaking of the Epoch Times, does anyone remember recently when they published some schlock about millions of Chinese apparently resigning from the Communist Party in an apparent wave of protests? Reading from their own words, one wouldn’t actually come to realize the fine print, which was that all the resignations were firstly anonymous. Secondly people who were no longer members of the party years ago could resign a second time. Third they took resignations from people who were not even technically members of the communist party. And the most amusing factor was, get this, they took resignations from dead people. People who had been dead for years could resign from the communist party if a surviving friend or relative declared it so.
Ah the Epoch Times just never stops being amusing.[/quote]
Link the ‘fine print’ please. Sources are important.
I know Taidu separatists get their jollies off of practically any old anti-Chinese organization as witnessed by the collaboration between separatist organizational fronts in the United States with Falun Dafa and Free Tibet activists but most of them are bluntly, abject losers in a futile cause. Most of them aren’t beyond lieing or misrepresenting their agenda if it leads to more popular support, in fact not quite so much different than the communist party.
Nice link there, cmdjing…
What a bunch of idiots. Of course Epoch Times is run by FLG. That’s no secret even by their own admission, but it’s just ridiculous that people who are otherwise intelligent can’t put two and two together. I mean, come on… “Epoch” Times? That’s the central dogma of FLG, that Li Hongzhi is the prophet of the current reincarnation of the universe.
Then if you read even one issue of Epoch Times, you’ll figure out its FLG connection.
As for carrying news that nobody else carries… well, what can I say… that describes most of their stories. Li Hongzhi must feed secret news telepathically to its editors.
As for the supposed CCP resignations, most of the entries count for 10 anonymous people each (they can indicate as many as they want) and sound like they were copied straight out of Epoch Times by crazed FLGers from the vocabulary used. Wouldn’t be surprised if they actually hired a bunch of FLGers to sit and type all day.
The real question is, is FLG linked to any government? They don’t seem to be running out of money even with their global media and PR empire. If it’s just the money, I might chalk it up to donations from cultists, but the agenda driven by FLG – its outlandish demonization of the CCP especially via acerbic rumor-mongering about territorial issues, and its Asian satellite hijacking hijinx from near mainland China – really make me believe the Taiwan government is involved.
Agreed it is a bit premature. Remember after the Gulf War everyone was like “Saddam’s about to be toppled”. Yeah that sure went through.
I think as long as the PRC has complete military control, they have no problem shooting up a few civilians and beating the rest into submission, which is almost protocol now.
Although I agree that the Epoch times is biased (and is allowed to be) and rightfully expresses their own point of view. That doesn’t make them any less accurate, just not bipartisan.
And it wouldn’t be difficult to understand if their circulation hasn’t risen fast enough, given the omnipresent tentacles of the commies in overseas Chinese communities around the world.
