A dictator created then destroyed by America

[quote]Saddam to the gallows. It was an easy equation. Who could be more deserving of that last walk to the scaffold - that crack of the neck at the end of a rope - than the Beast of Baghdad, the Hitler of the Tigris, the man who murdered untold hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis while spraying chemical weapons over his enemies? Our masters will tell us in a few hours that it is a “great day” for Iraqis and will hope that the Muslim world will forget that his death sentence was signed - by the Iraqi “government”, but on behalf of the Americans - on the very eve of the Eid al-Adha, the Feast of the Sacrifice, the moment of greatest forgiveness in the Arab world.

But history will record that the Arabs and other Muslims and, indeed, many millions in the West, will ask another question this weekend, a question that will not be posed in other Western newspapers because it is not the narrative laid down for us by our presidents and prime ministers - what about the other guilty men?

No, Tony Blair is not Saddam. We don’t gas our enemies. George W Bush is not Saddam. He didn’t invade Iran or Kuwait. He only invaded Iraq. But hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians are dead - and thousands of Western troops are dead - because Messrs Bush and Blair and the Spanish Prime Minister and the Italian Prime Minister and the Australian Prime Minister went to war in 2003 on a potage of lies and mendacity and, given the weapons we used, with great brutality.

In the aftermath of the international crimes against humanity of 2001 we have tortured, we have murdered, we have brutalised and killed the innocent - we have even added our shame at Abu Ghraib to Saddam’s shame at Abu Ghraib - and yet we are supposed to forget these terrible crimes as we applaud the swinging corpse of the dictator we created.

Who encouraged Saddam to invade Iran in 1980, which was the greatest war crime he has committed for it led to the deaths of a million and a half souls? And who sold him the components for the chemical weapons with which he drenched Iran and the Kurds? We did. No wonder the Americans, who controlled Saddam’s weird trial, forbad any mention of this, his most obscene atrocity, in the charges against him. Could he not have been handed over to the Iranians for sentencing for this massive war crime? Of course not. Because that would also expose our culpability.

And the mass killings we perpetrated in 2003 with our depleted uranium shells and our “bunker buster” bombs and our phosphorous, the murderous post-invasion sieges of Fallujah and Najaf, the hell-disaster of anarchy we unleashed on the Iraqi population in the aftermath of our “victory” - our “mission accomplished” - who will be found guilty of this? Such expiation as we might expect will come, no doubt, in the self-serving memoirs of Blair and Bush, written in comfortable and wealthy retirement.

Hours before Saddam’s death sentence, his family - his first wife, Sajida, and Saddam’s daughter and their other relatives - had given up hope.

“Whatever could be done has been done - we can only wait for time to take its course,” one of them said last night. But Saddam knew, and had already announced his own “martyrdom”: he was still the president of Iraq and he would die for Iraq. All condemned men face a decision: to die with a last, grovelling plea for mercy or to die with whatever dignity they can wrap around themselves in their last hours on earth. His last trial appearance - that wan smile that spread over the mass-murderer’s face - showed us which path Saddam intended to walk to the noose.

I have catalogued his monstrous crimes over the years. I have talked to the Kurdish survivors of Halabja and the Shia who rose up against the dictator at our request in 1991 and who were betrayed by us - and whose comrades, in their tens of thousands, along with their wives, were hanged like thrushes by Saddam’s executioners.

I have walked round the execution chamber of Abu Ghraib - only months, it later transpired, after we had been using the same prison for a few tortures and killings of our own - and I have watched Iraqis pull thousands of their dead relatives from the mass graves of Hilla. One of them has a newly-inserted artificial hip and a medical identification number on his arm. He had been taken directly from hospital to his place of execution. Like Donald Rumsfeld, I have even shaken the dictator’s soft, damp hand. Yet the old war criminal finished his days in power writing romantic novels.

It was my colleague, Tom Friedman - now a messianic columnist for The New York Times - who perfectly caught Saddam’s character just before the 2003 invasion: Saddam was, he wrote, “part Don Corleone, part Donald Duck”. And, in this unique definition, Friedman caught the horror of all dictators; their sadistic attraction and the grotesque, unbelievable nature of their barbarity.

But that is not how the Arab world will see him. At first, those who suffered from Saddam’s cruelty will welcome his execution. Hundreds wanted to pull the hangman’s lever. So will many other Kurds and Shia outside Iraq welcome his end. But they - and millions of other Muslims - will remember how he was informed of his death sentence at the dawn of the Eid al-Adha feast, which recalls the would-be sacrifice by Abraham, of his son, a commemoration which even the ghastly Saddam cynically used to celebrate by releasing prisoners from his jails. “Handed over to the Iraqi authorities,” he may have been before his death. But his execution will go down - correctly - as an American affair and time will add its false but lasting gloss to all this - that the West destroyed an Arab leader who no longer obeyed his orders from Washington, that, for all his wrongdoing (and this will be the terrible get-out for Arab historians, this shaving away of his crimes) Saddam died a “martyr” to the will of the new “Crusaders”.

When he was captured in November of 2003, the insurgency against American troops increased in ferocity. After his death, it will redouble in intensity again. Freed from the remotest possibility of Saddam’s return by his execution, the West’s enemies in Iraq have no reason to fear the return of his Baathist regime. Osama bin Laden will certainly rejoice, along with Bush and Blair. And there’s a thought. So many crimes avenged.

But we will have got away with it.

Robert Fisk: A dictator created then destroyed by America
Published: 30 December 2006
news.independent.co.uk/world/fis … 112555.ece
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Robert Fisk…now there’s someone whose opinion is really popular…with the koskids…on DUmmiesunderground…the NYTimes…get muh drift there bubba…

Yesp…that mean ol USA is just a turrible country…turrible turrible…

[quote=“TainanCowboy”]Robert Fisk…now there’s someone whose opinion is really popular…with the koskids…on DUmmiesunderground…the NYTimes…get muh drift there bubba…

Yesp…that mean ol USA is just a turrible country…turrible turrible…[/quote]

Fucking amazing! Show me just one of your pro-Bush peanuts with anything like the time on the ground in the region and or the language skills. Chop, chop!

You really do yourself no favours here, TC.

HG

[quote=“Huang Guang Chen”][quote=“TainanCowboy”]Robert Fisk…now there’s someone whose opinion is really popular…with the koskids…on DUmmiesunderground…the NYTimes…get muh drift there bubba…

Yesp…that mean ol USA is just a turrible country…turrible turrible…[/quote]

Fucking amazing! Show me just one of your pro-Bush peanuts with anything like the time on the ground in the region and or the language skills. Chop, chop!

You really do yourself no favours here, TC.

HG[/quote]HGC -
And your reason for commenting on this post is…?
Familiar with Mr. Fisk are you? Know his work?

Drunk again? Be nice and don’t say too much that you’ll regret in the morning.

TC, not only is this completely insubstantial, it manages, despite its lack of substance, to also be totally ignorant. In fact Fisk’s book on the Middle East was the subject of an attack by Ethan Bronner, the deputy foreign editor. The New York Times is not a liberal paper – the liberals and progressives at DKOS are fierce critics of it – but an Establishment paper. They don’t like Fisk because Fisk is anti-Establishment.

Well, yes, when you flatten cities, bomb hospitals, blow up children, and engage in torture and murder during an illegal and unnecessary invasion of a prostrate nation that was no threat to you, most people will consider you criminal.

Why do you continue to support this criminal war, TC? Never mind the fact that we have become a sickness reviled by all civilized people – from the practical standpoint, why do you continue to support a war that we have lost? What is worth killing for over there?

Vorkosigan

Being less of a heart-bleeding do-gooder, I rather prefer to ask: What is it worth to get killed over there?

Did anything meanwhile came up which justified the costs in personel, money and good will spent on this adventure?

[quote=“TainanCowboy”]Robert Fisk…now there’s someone whose opinion is really popular…with the koskids…on DUmmiesunderground…the NYTimes…get muh drift there bubba…

Yesp…that mean ol USA is just a turrible country…turrible turrible…[/quote]

TC: Have I not seen numerous posts by you stating “Discuss the message not the messenger”? At least you post this anytime someone calls your sources into question but when someone posts something you don’t like, you frequently call the messenger into question. The above quote has nothing to do with what Robert Fisk wrote.

If you don’t like people doing it to your posts then don’t do it to other peoples or you can come across as being a bit hypocritical and I am sure you don’t want that.

Being less of a heart-bleeding do-gooder, I rather prefer to ask: What is it worth to get killed over there?

Did anything meanwhile came up which justified the costs in personel, money and good will spent on this adventure?[/quote]

Legalised gambling in the desert?

If Iraq is a company who shares are sold to the public, it would not be a penny stock. There are a lot of things going for it. It is a risky investment for sure. I’d give it 60/40 odds FOR improving in the next year and then steadily climbing for a few years then skyrocketing.

Iraq now is an economic risk. Whoever inherets Iraq will hold it at a distance; It’s Bush’s fault. :smiley:

It is NOT a company, it’s a country, full of people dying for no good reason. Try not to let that fact escape the metaphor.

That’s your opinion. I happen to think they are dying for a very good reason.

From OUR (the US) perspective, Iraq IS an economic investment. What else could it be?

I’m sure your opinion is a great comfort to their bereaved.

[quote=“jdsmith”]That’s your opinion. I happen to think they are dying for a very good reason.

From OUR (the US) perspective, Iraq IS an economic investment. What else could it be?[/quote]

Gosh. What happened to all that liberty to the Iraqi people stuff? Bringing democracy and freedom to an oppressed people etc. ?

So Iraq is a stock option now is it? Just an economic investment?

I’d love to see you sidle up to one of the mothers of the hapless sheep soldiers who died to ensure your investment (though risky) will ensure a good return. I am sure she’ll nod, hand you a couple of bucks and ask you to get some shares for her. It’s what her son died for, right?

Put your money where your mouth is, buy some shares in a company making a mint over there and then let’s see the scanned share certificate.

That comment has eclipsed even some of the more stupid things I come out with. :bravo:

Alternatively one could view Iraq as a fuck-up.

BroonAcquisition

:bravo: Yes, that point of view seems to be growing in popularity, in the US as well.

Are you tears and your heartfelt sadnes?

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Gosh. What happened to all that liberty to the Iraqi people stuff? Bringing democracy and freedom to an oppressed people etc. ? [/quote]

Well gosh Broon, I thought you’d be pickled by now! “Bringing Democracy and freedom” has begun hasn’t it? Or did you expect a Harry Potterish wave of wand to change everything immediately?

Returning Iraq’s economy to a productive state is the most important thing on the table now, IMHO of course.

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Put your money where your mouth is[/quote]
I have and I can show you the bills. :smiley:

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Alternatively one could view Iraq as a fuck-up. [/quote]
There are lots of examples of those, some on this board. :laughing:

:bravo: Yes, that point of view seems to be growing in popularity, in the US as well.[/quote]

Well, POPULARITY is what’s important, right? :unamused:

[quote=“jdsmith”]Well gosh Broon, I thought you’d be pickled by now! “Bringing Democracy and freedom” has begun hasn’t it? Or did you expect a Harry Potterish wave of wand to change everything immediately?

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Yes but your stupid administration expected to be greeted with flowers etc. and you stupidly believed them. You were sold the whole thing on that assumption. Now it hasn’t worked, you and your fellow Republican nitwits just can’t admit it, can you?

Go on then, show us the receipts. Show us how you are benefitting. Maybe some Iraqis will see your receipts on this site and feel oh so happy for you.

BroonAsks

:bravo: Yes, that point of view seems to be growing in popularity, in the US as well.[/quote]

Well, POPULARITY is what’s important, right? :unamused:[/quote]

Well, it’s important enough for your fuckhead president to consider an about-turn in Iraq policy to salvage what is left of his crumbling presidential legacy. Up your arse, sonny.

BroonAnnals

What a laugh to see people still blindly showing support for an illegal and criminal atrocity that is the invasion of Iraq. It has been a complete fuck up from the beginning, and it should be LITTLE GEORGIE DANGLING BY A LENGTH OF HEMP ROPE INSTEAD.
Yes, make no mistake about i, I hate George Dubya. He’s an uneducated redneck barbarian in need of a good 7.62mm enema. Every dog has his day…Saddam had his, Georgie boys is a comin!

ddoouubblleeppoosstt

It isn’t. Glad to still know that your compatriots are dying over there so you can make a few bucks.

Be sure to send your appreciation to their relatives when they lower the coffins into the ground.

BroonApoplectic