[quote=“ac_dropout”]Sure hit the 3 gorge project and flood China.
If China ever got wind that Taiwan had any serious military threat to the stability of China. It would be the Cubian missle crisis all over agian. This time China plays the USA, and Taiwan plays Cuba. My Dio scooter would be a Desoto. And Pres. Chen can play Castro.
And where would this money come from? USA congress is already pissed off that Taiwan did not allocate funds for the military arms suggested 3 years ago.
USA see Taiwan as an ATM to make convenient withdrawls.[/quote]
Hahaha…dreaming about China becoming a military power are we? That really sounded a lot like some kid saying his father was going to kick my ass. Hahahaa…
Regarding the money, that is exactly the point. Time to spend it wisely on fast accurate missles capable of striking “military targets” in Zhongnanhai or wherever those CCP/PLA leaders want to hide out.
Depends who the kid was. If he was connected to Taiwan gangs or influential people, I would think twice before brushing it off. It’s a small island never know who toes you can accidental step on.
That’s my point 22 million people living on the island cannot generate enough money to be in a prolong arms race with PRC. They other 2 million ROC citizens abroad aren’t paying much in terms of personal income tax.
Currently there is no conventional weapon that can deter nuclear missles. Unless you are advocating Taiwan become a nuclear nation. It is interesting but not realistic.
Never mind. Having the capability to drop payloads on famous buildings like the Great Hall of the People, showpieces like the skyscrapers in Pudong etc. will have more effect.
Sorry to use the “N” word (Nuclear), but I don’t see any other way for Taiwan to deter an attack from the PRC, either. I am reluctant to post this because I will be too busy in the near future to spend a lot of time defending my position, but I think Taiwan’s ability to maintain its sovereignty for the long term will ultimately depend on having nuclear weapons and the ability to deliver them deep into China. I hope that these weapons already exist secretly. In any case, I do support Taiwan becoming a nuclear nation. As was the case with Israel, Taiwan’s very existence as a nation depends on it.
Would you have preferred to grow up in the US under soviet threat WITHOUT the US nuclear arsenal?
I am reluctant to advocate nukes, too, but I see no alternative that doesn’t leave Taiwan at an unacceptable level of risk.
Whether these particular missles are nuclear-capable or not, the threat from China does contain a nuclear element.
The US will never sell nuclear weapons to Taiwan or any other country, regardless of the threat from their neighbors. If a nuclear program exists here, it has to be homegrown.
[quote=“archinasia”]
The US will never sell nuclear weapons to Taiwan or any other country, regardless of the threat from their neighbors. If a nuclear program exists here, it has to be homegrown.[/quote]
the us would not sell nuclear weapons, but all it takes is a wink and a nod from the us and japan, taiwan, and s. korea could all be nuclear capable in very short order.
In the current political environment, if Taiwan did develop nuclear weapons, it would run the risk of being labelled “rogue terrorist nation with WMD” which would counteract any benefit it might have gained.
Then PRC or USA would enact pre-emption once again.
A military solution to a political problem is not adviseable nor warranted in this situation.
A nuclear Taiwan will mean a short lived Taiwan. Beijing has stated that there are 3 conditions which would trigger an invasion of Taiwan. 1) A formal declaration of independence. 2) The presence of foreign troops on Taiwan. 3) If Taiwan were to go nuclear. If Taiwan were to obtain or begin developing nuclear weapons, mainland spies would probably know pretty quickly, and it will mean the end of Taiwan as a defacto independent entity. Even if the weapons were used to bluff China from a direct assault, all that would be required is a naval blockade to starve the island into submission. It would be a Cuban missile crisis redux.
Then again, I am pro-reunfication, so please Taiwan, do develop nuclear weapons!
[quote=“cmdjing”]A nuclear Taiwan will mean a short lived Taiwan. Beijing has stated that there are 3 conditions which would trigger an invasion of Taiwan. 1) A formal declaration of independence. 2) The presence of foreign troops on Taiwan. 3) If Taiwan were to go nuclear. If Taiwan were to obtain or begin developing nuclear weapons, mainland spies would probably know pretty quickly, and it will mean the end of Taiwan as a defacto independent entity. Even if the weapons were used to bluff China from a direct assault, all that would be required is a naval blockade to starve the island into submission. It would be a Cuban missile crisis redux.
Then again, I am pro-reunfication, so please Taiwan, do develop nuclear weapons! [/quote]
I think the third situation was civil unrest no?
You are pro-unification and you want unification NOW with Communist China? You really are sick and extremely hard core. How did you slip into the country. Time to make some sweeps and pick up the ones like you. You are really sick!
Might as well unify now and save people the hassle on the referrendum on admending the ROC constitution. Think of all the money that can be saved if ROC unifies with PRC now.
No more pesky USA trying to sell outdated equipment to ROC.
No more pesky connection flights through HK.
No more pesky wiring of money to another country before wiring to PRC.
No more pesky ROC pinying system.
You guys are really scary. Can’t believe you would suggest to unify now with Communist China. I would guess the both of you have US passports and can run away. I would respect you more if you were willing to give up your ROC and USA passports for PRC ones. I guess you have money and the means not to be subjected to Communist rule after some unification goes through. Why would you wish something upon the people of Taiwan that you would not even subject yourself too?! I would fight this and so would many people in Taiwan. You are the ones advocating a change in the stautus quo. You guys are traitors and should be arrested or expelled from this country. If you guys like the PRC so much, go there now and get PRC citizenship because that is what you are pushing on others you hypocrites.
You have a foriegn passport too, so you could run with us as well. Don’t worry once unification goes through we’ll just return our ROC passport for PRC ones.
As they say in PRC “Beijing is so far away, who cares.”
Everytime I go to China whether ROC or PRC I abide by all local laws.
My friends and family in Taiwan cannot run away. They are Taiwan citizens. They do not want to live under Communist rule, what about these people. Don’t be a hypocrite. Go exchange your ROC passport for a PRC one or stop advocating others to do so. Even your heros Lien and Soong do not want to exchange their passports for PRC ones now. Why are you telling others to do this. It is sick.
My hero’s in the KMT were Dr. Sun and Chiang and Madame Chiang. Soong and Lien are but shadows of these great Chinese visionaries. They really need to step aside and let younger KMT members through.
Political lip service to “One China” from ROC is no more terrible than being a Shanghai faction of CCP.
Taiwan has knowledge capital that PRC doesn’t have yet. We are still useful to them. Once the knowledge capital gap is closed (20 or 30 years from now). We will no longer be useful to PRC, that when the real threat will come. Might as well engage and negotiate a future in our favor while we still have the leverage. Instead of by force in the future.
An independent Taiwan will know no peace in the future as PRC becomes stronger. That I am sure of.
So instead of contemplating a military front with PRC, which we have no chance of winning. I advocate we engage China on the economic and political front. Areas we in Taiwan have leverage and can still influence PRC toward unification on favorable terms for ROC.
But like I mentioned the asymetric economic and political front are slowly tilting in PRC favor instead of ours.
Lip service today, Shanghai faction of CCP tomorrow. Lip service is the first step. Once Taiwan acknowledges the PRC at its master, something it is NOT, then the next is that the PRC WILL be Taiwan’s master.
I vote for Taiwan domestically developed long range nuclear weapons!
