# A poll for the people affected by the strict border restrictions **URL:** \ **Category:** Living in Taiwan\ **Created:** [August 20, 2021, 11:37pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373 "2021-08-20T23:37:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![gricaine](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/f04885/32.png) [@gricaine](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/gricaine)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2021, 11:37pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373/1 "2021-08-20T23:37:14Z")
I know the majority of foreigners already living in Taiwan support the border restrictions, and I respect those opinions and the reasons behind them. I just want to post this poll from a page me and my girlfriend are managing, concerning those who are not able to continue their lives as planned because of the border policies The Facebook page behind this supports the safe reopening of the borders, and supports strict quarantine for everyone, which was proven to keep the virus out for more than a year The link to the poll 👉[https://forms.gle/6FdrMeeRTpp7TDZe8](https://forms.gle/6FdrMeeRTpp7TDZe8) ---
**Author:** ![UnderArmor](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@UnderArmor](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/UnderArmor)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2021, 11:54pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373/2 "2021-08-20T23:54:46Z")
I wonder what the argument is against this for fully vaccinated 1. Require PCR+antibody test before departure 2. PCR test upon arrival 3. Hotel quarantine for 48 hours 4. Second PCR test after 48 hours. 5. Released upon clear second PCR test ---
**Author:** ![robi666](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/robi666/32/100625_2.png) [@robi666](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/robi666)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 12:28am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373/3 "2021-08-21T00:28:13Z")
> [@gricaine](#): > > I know the majority of foreigners already living in Taiwan support the border restrictions Why do you assume that? ---
**Author:** ![jeff](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@jeff](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/jeff)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 1:07am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373/4 "2021-08-21T01:07:18Z")
> [@UnderArmor](#): > > Require PCR+antibody test before departure How will the antibody test help? ---
**Author:** ![ThaiJuan](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@ThaiJuan](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/ThaiJuan)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 10:51am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373/5 "2021-08-21T10:51:37Z")
> [@UnderArmor](#): > > I wonder what the argument is against this for fully vaccinated > > 1. Require PCR+antibody test before departure > 2. PCR test upon arrival > 3. Hotel quarantine for 48 hours > 4. Second PCR test after 48 hours. > 5. Released upon clear second PCR test The incubation time of the virus is far longer than 48 hours, and fully vaccinated people can still carry and transmit the virus. (I’m not saying I approve of the extreme border closures, but if you’re asking the argument against what you’re proposing, that’s the argument.) ---
**Author:** ![Explant](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/explant/32/130551_2.png) [@Explant](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Explant)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 12:00pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373/6 "2021-08-21T12:00:11Z")
Pro for tourism and non essentials. Anti for citizens, residents etc. Also very anti mandatory vaccine for travel. That is a slope we will regret without question. Pro vaccine, skeptical about current world phuckery… ---
**Author:** ![Marco](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/marco/32/179744_2.png) [@Marco](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Marco)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 12:34pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373/7 "2021-08-21T12:34:01Z")
> [@Explant](#): > > Also very anti mandatory vaccine for travel. That is a slope we will regret without question. This was a thing before the pandemic… It was also a thing for getting ARCs to work here. Your health check checks for those vaccines. ---
**Author:** ![Explant](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/explant/32/130551_2.png) [@Explant](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Explant)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 12:42pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373/8 "2021-08-21T12:42:18Z")
> [@Marco](#): > > > [@Explant](#): > > > > Also very anti mandatory vaccine for travel. That is a slope we will regret without question. > > This was a thing before the pandemic… > > It was also a thing for getting ARCs to work here. Your health check checks for those vaccines. Yes and no. They were for old diseases better understood and with vaccines that have been long standing and studied far better. Such as TB, Hepatitis etc. ---
**Author:** ![Marco](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/marco/32/179744_2.png) [@Marco](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Marco)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 12:49pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373/9 "2021-08-21T12:49:33Z")
We understand a lot about Coronavirus right now. We know that it’s invisible for a while before presenting itself and it’s contagious through exhalation. We know that the vaccine makes significant dents in the harm Coronavirus gives. Hepatitis vaccine is barely 40 years old, we’re only knowing such a long term effects now. We don’t have 40 years to wait. What more do you want to know? ---
**Author:** ![Explant](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/explant/32/130551_2.png) [@Explant](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Explant)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 12:58pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373/10 "2021-08-21T12:58:16Z")
> [@Marco](#): > > We understand a lot about Coronavirus right now. We know that it’s invisible for a while before presenting itself and it’s contagious through exhalation. We know that the vaccine makes significant dents in the harm Coronavirus gives. Hepatitis vaccine is barely 40 years old, we’re only knowing such a long term effects now. We don’t have 40 years to wait. > > What more do you want to know? Its not about what i want to know. Its about mandates and rushed knee jerks. I remain as i stated above. But will add this with the mention of abeing against mandated vaccination, not anti vaccine. ![Screenshot_2021-08-21-20-55-53](https://forumosauploads-12829.kxcdn.com/original/3X/4/3/432843c2d5f0f7a849fdaea970b07c2ae8ae716e.png) ![Screenshot_2021-08-21-20-55-58](https://forumosauploads-12829.kxcdn.com/original/3X/d/1/d17c4e814f60bcc802b9dc74a093875ac4e4f6ff.png) Source: [COVID-19 Vaccines | FDA](https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-vaccines) ---
**Author:** ![Brianjones](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@Brianjones](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Brianjones)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 1:02pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373/11 "2021-08-21T13:02:56Z")
> [@UnderArmor](#): > > - Require PCR+antibody test before departure > - PCR test upon arrival > - Hotel quarantine for 48 hours > - Second PCR test after 48 hours. > - Released upon clear second PCR test No way Jose. This is a recipe for a Delta disaster right now. While I firmly believe covid will become an endemic disease here now is not the time for that to happen. ---
**Author:** ![UnderArmor](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@UnderArmor](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/UnderArmor)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 4:10pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373/12 "2021-08-21T16:10:29Z")
Confirmation of vaccine + efficacy. ---
**Author:** ![UnderArmor](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@UnderArmor](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/UnderArmor)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 4:10pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373/13 "2021-08-21T16:10:52Z")
> [@Brianjones](#): > > This is a recipe for a Delta disaster right now SG seems comfortable doing something less. ---
**Author:** ![boaz25](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/d78d45/32.png) [@boaz25](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/boaz25)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 6:29pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373/14 "2021-08-21T18:29:33Z")
> [@UnderArmor](#): > > SG seems comfortable doing something less. There are two big differences between Taiwan and Singapore (I lived in both between last year and this year) when it comes to COVID. 1. Singapore has already reached a high vaccination rate and has more than enough supplies to complete the first round of 2 doses and probably even start accumulating for the third. 2. Since COVID exploded at the end of March last year, Singapore has never been completely COVID-free. Just ups and downs. The population, whose mentality is more pragmatic than the Taiwanese’s, is somehow ready for an endemic presence of the disease, as long as the country reopens. This is what I could hear from friends of different age groups. Taiwan will only achieve Singapore’s vaccination rate by year end (hopefully). Moreover, the population was used to being COVID-free for over a year and is expecting the government to bring them back to that situation soon. This is only achievable by keeping strict quarantine rules for all arrivals (vaccinated or not) and (sadly because of the Pingtung _chibai_s) in dedicated facilities and not at home. I’m fed up and frustrated by this situation, so I wouldn’t say that I am a staunch supporter of hard quarantines. However, if the population wants zero (local) cases, that is the only way. And with the CCP raising the tone of their threats and the KMT getting pumped for next year’s elections, the last thing that we need is an unpopular government due to a new outbreak. ---
**Author:** ![robi666](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/robi666/32/100625_2.png) [@robi666](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/robi666)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 1:46am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373/15 "2021-08-22T01:46:42Z")
I am confused with your usage of we. But I assume you do really like pluralis majestatis. ---
**Author:** ![Twnfinn](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Twnfinn](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Twnfinn)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 4:05am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373/16 "2021-08-22T04:05:18Z")
Having just gone through the airport I would like to point out also that the additional surge in travel with shorter quarantine is not possible to handle at the airport. If quarantine would shorten for example to 5 days I would guess travel would increase by three to five fold. The current system of quarantine could not handle this amount of people. Hence things would have to open up more at the airport also which will not work with the zero Covid practice. Hence just shortening the quarantine is not an option right now. What is needed is a clear plan on when the society will open up and accept the endemic status of the virus. At that point the border can be relaxed way down with the understanding that there will be some leaks. I would like to see a clear statement that for example when reach 80% vaccination rate or where anybody who wants has the change to get vaccinated the society will open back up. My guess is this could happen maybe in December or January. It would be important to start discussing about it now so the idea that the virus will be among us will be accepted by the people of Taiwan. ---
**Author:** ![OliviaLinToo](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/54ee81/32.png) [@OliviaLinToo](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/OliviaLinToo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 4:48am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373/17 "2021-08-22T04:48:59Z")
> [@Marco](#): > > This was a thing before the pandemic… > > It was also a thing for getting ARCs to work here. Your health check checks for those vaccines. Bullshit. Four ARCs (two new and two renewals) and an APRC. Never once did they ask for any medical records from me, or even a health exam. The only things they ever asked about were work history and diplomas. ---
**Author:** ![Marco](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/marco/32/179744_2.png) [@Marco](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Marco)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 4:51am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373/18 "2021-08-22T04:51:46Z")
> [@OliviaLinToo](#): > > > [@Marco](#): > > > > This was a thing before the pandemic… > > > > It was also a thing for getting ARCs to work here. Your health check checks for those vaccines. > > Bullshit. Four ARCs (two new and two renewals) and an APRC. Never once did they ask for any medical records from me, or even a health exam. The only things they ever asked about were work history and diplomas. It’s not bullshit. Renewals don’t ask for the health check so they don’t count. APRC only asks for it if you have left the country for more than three months during your time as an ARC holder. I had to do it. Many of us have had to do it to get the ARC. For people from some countries, the health check is even more extensive. ---
**Author:** ![OliviaLinToo](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/54ee81/32.png) [@OliviaLinToo](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/OliviaLinToo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 4:57am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373/19 "2021-08-22T04:57:08Z")
> [@Marco](#): > > We know that the vaccine makes significant dents in the harm Coronavirus gives. And we have no idea what long-term effects the vaccines have. We’ve already seen significantly more adverse reactions with these mooshu bat virus vaccines than with any other _actually approved_ vaccine. VAERS had more reports from these vaccines in the first three months of this year than they had in the past twenty for all other vaccines combined, and that was while supplies were tiny and barely being rolled out. ---
**Author:** ![OliviaLinToo](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/54ee81/32.png) [@OliviaLinToo](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/OliviaLinToo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 4:57am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-poll-for-the-people-affected-by-the-strict-border-restrictions/211373/20 "2021-08-22T04:57:48Z")
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