A Trump Foreign Policy Thread


#61

…and China isn’t, for some reason.

Regimes often fall when the people are starving. They lose their fear of bullets when their blood sugar gets too low for too long.


#62

Are you saying the downtrodden people of China are now starving and will rise up against the commies because Trump’s tariffs will bring the oppressive red regime to its knees? Ooohkayy.


#63

Come on, man. If there isn’t enough choudoufu to go around, all is lost! :runaway:


#64

Not yet. We’ll see.

Wouldn’t be the first time, y’know.


#65

Wait! If you Americans stop giving them soy, won’t that make them… the toughest guys on the planet? :astonished:


#66

The ChiComs don’t need to be physically tough. They’ve stolen all the best military tech.

Now, the peasants… poor, hungry people don’t fight at all, unless they’re literally starving to death. Then they switch into killer mob mode, very suddenly. Imagine hundreds of millions of them, tough, desperate and with pitchforks in hand. They will attack the nearest enemy, and that’s not us. They will attack the rich Party members and bureaucrats. The first few waves will die in volley of rifle bullets and get run over by Red Army tanks, but they’ll keep coming. A few will get through. Then the survivors will eat the Party members.

We can renegotiate tariffs with the new regime. Or maybe even choose the new regime.

By the way, North Korea isn’t far from the same scenario. The peasants there could tip at any moment. And that Rocket Man looks like good eating.


#67

Oh, now we’ve upset them…


#68

The first step in negotiation is getting the other side to the table…

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trade-war-averted-talks-between-161141689.html


#70

At the very least, this is a discussion that’s needed- it raises points that need to be considered. But whatever: “Mission Accomplished!”


#71

You can bribe someone with money, or you can bribe him with the opportunity to make money. Which is sleazier? Which is more expensive? And… which works better?

If this all goes through, the entire society will be subtly, but fundamentally, altered. No, they won’t go full freedom overnight. The peasant uprising probably won’t be averted. If anything, it will be hastened. But the Overton window will shift.

The tactics of repression will be weakened. Weakened by what? By change. It scarcely matters what kind of change. The very fact of change per se refutes the regime lie that things must stay the same. And when that lie loses effect, everything that follows from it will suddenly seem implausible.

It’s a step in particular direction. It lays the groundwork for future steps. This is one of the many things progressives don’t understand about progress.

Saudi Arabia is also going through changes.

Iran was always a more dynamic society than this. The repression there was never thoroughly internalized by everyone. Cut off the regime’s air supply, and it will eventually topple. That’s how Reagan destroyed the Soviet Union. This could be Phase II in North Korea, a couple of decades down the pike, if whoever is in charge then has the vision to follow through.

The Iran regime is losing its life support. Venezuela’s is gasping for air. And there’s Nicaragua…

Third phase: fill the power vacuum with something better. I confess I have no clear idea how to do that. But leave it to chance? Can these places do much worse? Or maybe at some point the societies themselves have to take responsibility for getting their acts together. As long as they stop being a threat to the rest of the world, leave them to it.


#72

Forcing entire nations to grow up by holding them to grownup standards. At first they throw a tantrum, but eventually…

Elections are consequences.


#73

Jettisoning managed decline…

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/07/chinas-elite-think-trump-is-winning-and-think-china-should-give-in-the-short-run.html

Empower the weak! Such a noble sentiment… until it occurs to you to ask: just why are they so weak in the first place?

Before The Donald, such behavior made perfect sense.


#74

Unclear on several concepts: