Adult English Schools

Perhaps there’s already a thread on this, but after about half an hour of searching I’ve had no luck finding. I’m looking for information about Taipei City English schools for adults (or teens) that provide ARC’s.

My wonderful boyfriend, who lived in Taiwan as an exchange student five years ago and, after studying Chinese in college, was hoping to return to get a great job here. Hah! While I lucked out with an awesome editing job that provided an ARC, he finally settled for teaching English to kids. Problem is, these little monsters are evil, the school has disastrous organization, and he gets blamed for their misbehavior. Usually the kids just bash each other over the heads with their textbooks and run around, and he spends the entire time just trying to get them in their seats. Of course, he also gets blamed for their lack of discipline. Rather than teaching English, he’s a glorified babysitter, and is completely miserable.

What he would really like to do is teach English to adults, or at least older kids who might be interested in learning. He taught at a gifted school back in the states and tutored Chinese immigrants in Boston for a couple years.

So, any advice on adult/teen english schools with ARCs in Taipei City?

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There are a few schools that do corporate teaching, though I can’t immediately remember the names. It involves a lot of driving around between companies though, which of course you don’t get paid for.

Luby English Learning Center

Talk to Chip Chiou
They have Adult classes and the pay is ok.

Taipei Branch:
2F, No. 350, Fu-Hsing N. Road, Chungshan District, Taipei City 104

Phone: 02-2518-3591

Email: luby.english@gmail.com

[quote=“StarrStruck”]I’m looking for information about Taipei City English schools for adults (or teens) that provide ARC’s

So, any advice on adult/teen english schools with ARCs in Taipei City?[/quote]This is an interesting question as I’ve been wondering how the ARC system works for adult schools. It’s not entirely clear from reading the Employment Services Act.

Are adult schools classed as buxibans, with ARCs issued accordingly? Or are they like other “professional” companies/organisations, which require proof of two years’ relevant work experience, etc.?

Yes. Some of the schools teaching adults are David’s, Global Village, Elite, GEOS and GJun (I have no idea how to pronounce it - in Chinese it is Jujiang) and the YMCA and YWCA, and the China Post. These competing schools are often grouped together in the same area or even the same building. Nanjing East Road to the west of the Songjiang Road intersection is one such place.

Yes.[/quote]Thanks. That’s interesting. I had thought that as some of the regulations regarding buxibans apply to the teaching of school-age students only, the adult schools might be classified differently (from a legal perspective, I mean).

Thanks also for answering the OP’s question.[quote]Some of the schools teaching adults are David’s, Global Village, Elite and GJun (I have no idea how to pronounce it - in Chinese it is Jujiang) and the YMCA and YWCA, and the China Post. These competing schools are often grouped together in the same area or even the same building. Nanjing East Road to the west of the Songjiang Road intersection is one such place.[/quote]

I would also like to teach English to adults, as opposed to children.

Good info - thanks guys :slight_smile:

I don’t know about how rules extend to adult schools in the scheme of legality. I worked at David’s for 5 months and never had 14 hours of work. For the last month and a half of my time there, I had zero hours. But I still had a legal ARC.

How did you survive, ImanIOU?

Another option to look at would be finding a different job with kids - the current one sounds like the pits, but there can be workable jobs with kids. Would he consider checking around for other ones? There’s no reason to be miserable, even with a kid job.

Before coming here, I was honest to myself that I couldn’t stand them. However, after working with them a few months at my current school I actually like the little monsters. But then we have small (no more than 8 in a young learner class, no more than 20 in an afternoon program, 25 max. in evening, etc) classes, a prepared curriculum, and an organized school. Discipline isn’t really a problem aside from the ordinary issues (he poked me, she’s breathing my air, etc) and can be easily controlled. Heck, we even have an opening. The catch: it’s outside of Taipei City so it doesn’t fill your req’s.

I think someone in your boyfriends position really needs to find circumstances under which he can learn to teach. It would be a mistake to assume that teaching adults is easier than teaching kids. Teaching adults requires skills too. Teaching adults is also more competitive than teaching kids. There are fewer positions available and there are many, like your boyfriend, looking to break out of teaching kids.

Many people assume that you just turn up and start jibbering away and shazam you’re a teacher. That’s quite wrong. A skilled language teacher is something to behold. He needs to find a place that will give him the experience and yet doesn’t require he have a great deal of experience. The only places like that are the method schools such as Berliz and Inlingua. I suggest he try Berlitz. I’m not a fan of the method but they like teaches with little or no previous knowledge of teaching so that they can indoctrinate them. Don’t be afraid; it isn’t Scientology.

Fox, please re-read my post. He does not, as you say, have

He taught English to Chinese speakers (adults) at the Asian American Civic Association in Boston, and he also taught Chinese at a gifted school (teenagers) in Ohio. He was a dynamic and skilled teacher in both settings.

Please do not assume that simply because he does not like teaching young children that cannot behave themselves or working for a poorly organized company that he is not already a fine teacher. He is interested in teaching people who are motivated to learn, not babysitting. Perhaps your bitterness is clouding your ability to give constructive advice.

Anyway, thanks to everyone who provided names of schools and other suggestions. He’ll definitely look into them.

Yes Im surprised how easy it has been so far teaching groups of kids…

The fact that Shane buxiban has a teaching assistant in the room during classes helps, but compared to back home in Australia the kids here seem like angels!

There is always one ‘troublesome’ kid in every group, but I have found using humour seems to work well. At least in the 9 to 12 year olds that I have been working with…

I think classroom management is fundamental to teaching. That means being able to control unrully kids. So it wasn’t really apparent from your post that he had much experience as a teacher. My advice is soild. It sounds like, from what you described, he has limited teaching experience. That doesn’t mean he couldn’t make a fine teacher. I suggest that he find circumstances that allow him to develop as a teacher. That is why I suggested a method school. These schools provide training and support. I started teaching at Inlingua in Sydney more than 20 years ago and the experience I gained from that school is still valid to this day. There is a Berlitz school on the corner of Keelung and Zhongxiao.

There maybe other adult schools that would give him a go on the limited experience that he has. I, however, don’t know which they would be. I think most would turn their noses up at what you described. That is not meant as an insult; just a reality check.

I never like to pretend that I’m a better teacher than others because I’ve seen better teachers than myself. I don’t believe it is that easy these days to get an adult teaching position that pays well and offers much stability without the appropriate experience and qualification.

Joesax is an excellent moderator btw. The best this forum has ever had. In fact, he’s on a footing with sandman and hobbes as the best on the site.

Fox, thanks very much for the kind, though undeserved, words. Actually I think all the moderators do a good job.

Reading your post I see now what you mean. It’s obviously up to the OP to decide how relevant your comments are to her boyfriend’s situation (though I agree that some more experience will improve his teaching skills further). But in any case your comments are very useful as general discussion of the adult English teaching situation. For this reason I’ve relented and brought a few of these posts back here. Sorry for any confusion – I’ve certainly confused myself trying to untangle the twisted threads.

I think classroom management is fundamental to teaching. That means being able to control unrully kids. So it wasn’t really apparent from your post that he had much experience as a teacher. My advice is soild. It sounds like, from what you described, he has limited teaching experience. That doesn’t mean he couldn’t make a fine teacher. I suggest that he find circumstances that allow him to develop as a teacher.[/quote]This is an interesting point. Do you think that effective kids’ classroom management translates over to better managed adult classes?

Most of my experience is teaching elementary-aged kids, but I have some experience teaching junior high and also adult classes. I think some of the experience from teaching kids carries over. For example, I can exude a certain “presence” when needed. For example if a couple of adults are chatting away in the corner it doesn’t take long before they notice that everyone is silent and staring at them, waiting for them to be quiet. However, I feel I need to be careful not to come over as too patronising. Some of the automatic habits developed when managing kids day in day out need to be modified at least to suit older students.

I don’t think it is easy for anyone to start teaching at a school where the students are already poorly disciplined and where there is little support. I guess this is why you suggested method schools. I don’t really know how these work in terms of discipline but from what you say it sounds as if that’s all part of the package.[quote=“Fox”]That is why I suggested a method school. These schools provide training and support. I started teaching at Inlingua in Sydney more than 20 years ago and the experience I gained from that school is still valid to this day. There is a Berlitz school on the corner of Keelung (Jilong) and Zhongxiao.

There maybe other adult schools that would give him a go on the limited experience that he has. I, however, don’t know which they would be. I think most would turn their noses up at what you described. That is not meant as an insult; just a reality check.[/quote]From my limited knowledge of adult schools, there are basically two types. One is the base-level conversation class kind of thing. I think Global Village works like this, and there are others. The pay is the same as or less than kids’ buxibans, but there is often little preparation required. In another adult school in which some friends worked, classes were assigned on a same day basis, so they would probably have a different teacher each time. The teacher would walk in five minutes before class, grab a set of readings from the staffroom, go into class and chat about the readings or anything else for an hour. I have always been suspicious of this approach, wondering if it really counts as teaching. But it’s a start I guess.

There is another kind which though better paid seems to be harder to break into. I don’t wish to be cynical when I say that luck and who you know may play a part. But other things such as solid teaching skills, grammar knowledge, and preferably some Chinese ability seem to be important factors too. And decent, relevant qualifications are also a bonus for this I think.

The method school thing would seem to be a third kind, though I don’t know very much about this. I know something about the Berlitz method and like you I’m not keen. But as you say, it’s a way in, and I have a feeling that starting with a well-organised system – any system – is better than not having any guidance.

I didn’t. I am finally out of a four-month debt with my rent. January will be the first month that I only have to pay one month’s worth of rent. Fortunately, my landlady is very, very forgiving. I appreciated the job offer and the experience of being told I am not a good adults’ teacher despite having a university-sponsored TESOL, a CELTA, a linguistics degree and a year of teaching college students in America under my belt… :ponder: but it left me broke and now it’s left me without health insurance because they waited until after my ARC needed to be renewed before canceling my contract (I had already been legally sponsored with my current school for two months by the time they finally admitted they had no interest in continuing my contract). Grrr…

As the person who has been moderating the Teaching English in Taiwan forum since 2002, I appreciate the compliment. Bolds my own. :unamused:

Sorry ImanioU, of course you are an excellent moderator, too.

Actually Joe I think we are talking tangentially. What I mean by a method school is that Berlitz and Inlingua follow a strict teaching method. That method involves immediately engaging the interlocutor using a question and answer method that helps the student learn English from scratch without the use of their native language. The questions are designed to elicit responses that lead to the logical introduction of the next key word in the series. Done well and skillfully it is an effective method for teaching basic fluency.

These schools are interested in employing teachers who don’t have a lot of experience teaching so that they can teach them the method without having them being heavily influenced by previous classroom teaching experience. I taught the Inlingua method for a few years and it is invaluable for introducing information type questions.

On the subject of children’s teaching experience being useful in the adult classroom, I think there are many skills that can be used mutually in both environments from TPR, through to role plays, writing, and discussion. It is in many regards all the same, however, classroom management is naturally different with kids because they are not mature adults. On the other hand mature adults offer equal challenges for teachers in terms of having an engaging, talkative style with substance.

I’ve seen many teachers who are engaging yet lack substance, many that are talkative yet not engaging, but very few who have each in equal measure. For the novice teacher being engaging is your strongest quality.

sweet, i thought i was the only one and took it personally…

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. if it’s common than i dont feel so bad.

sweet, i thought i was the only one and took it personally…

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. if it’s common than i dont feel so bad.[/quote]

The ironic part was that I got my ARC renewed with them while I was at zero hours. The only reason why I had to go to work was to pick up my work permit. It was the first time I had been there for a month.

There’s certainly more money in working with kids and to give up on teaching kids because of one poorly-run school is throwing in the towel a little too soon.

Teaching kids is also more stable. If the kids don’t like you, they still have to go through their parents to get out of your class. Also, kids, for the most part, don’t get a choice of whether they go to English school or not since they are not the ones who are usually taking themselves there. Adults, however, are fully responsible for getting to class, so if they don’t feel like going, they don’t go. If they don’t think you’re teaching them fast enough, they don’t go. And they are the ones paying for their classes so if your personalities clash, then they don’t go.

Plus kids don’t walk in with the attitude that they know everything. Even my worst-behaved kids are not nearly as belligerent as some of my adult students here were. Kids don’t sit back in their seats with their arms folded and a bored smirk on their faces.

And most kids get over their racial prejudices, unlike most adults.