Air pollution levels in Taiwan - grim reading

[afterspivak]

As you have figured out, the wind direction changed, as expected, today.

This sure beats having that filth in the air!

Guy

[ppp]

@marasan

warmth of the sun

So u not a vampire???

[Explant]

@Explant

@RickRooney

Ive seen some videos from china recently. Already looks cleaner and more orderly than Taiwan. Seriously wtf are they doing here.

First of all, it is either: “we/here” or “them/there”

Just as a basic logic and sensical English language norm.

Second of all: normal weather patterns. Sure. Fair is fair.

Third of all: we(“/here) nee dyo tka especially responsibility in our sldust storms. Never kind just the simpleton aspect of: quantities of dust. But also the qualities of dust. Many of our dry and eroded lands, including river beds (not usually farmland or “developed” areas), are kicking up dust due to winds and all the environmental terrorism you, me and the next gut commit on the daily

The actual toxicity of what’s in the dust should be far more problematic to anyone with an internet connection. Cancer rates alone (check which cancers are most prevalent here) should be cause for alarm.

Naturally we get a geographic weather patterns. Tuis si normal and well known. What’s discussed less is the second tier of concern. Nevermind agriculture spray and the like become literally airborne, but also just basic land erosion outside agriculture. Moning, landslides, household cleaners, machinery leakages etc. All these become air borne. We should give a bigger glfuck about them being water and soil borne (we don’t…). But they literally become airborne. Daily. I ahve hacked out probably a full kilogram worth of lung oyster today and yesterday. 1 dude, in one fo the least polluted places in Taiwan.

How we, as both a society and individuals, dont give more of a fuck is beyond words.

I’m tired of people blaming cuine for everything. Blame them for what they are guilty on. And we can blame ourselves for what we are guilty of as well.

#objectivity

I can’t [edit] the post. Apologies folks. The quote [function] also switched upside down. Im too [old] for phone shit. I wonder if I did voice to text, would it be better…hahaha? I love how everytime I shit on the meaning of words, it’s the most nonsensical typo storm I have ever written. Is what it is lol. Weekend is over… […] equal just now, typing slow and making sure, the phone did not insert those words. A recurring theme with Samsung phones I have owned.

So, here is the edited version, typos fixed :

@Explant

@RickRooney

Ive seen some videos from china recently. Already looks cleaner and more orderly than Taiwan. Seriously wtf are they doing here.

First of all, it is either: “we/here” or “them/there”

Just as a basic logic and sensical English language norm.

Second of all: normal weather patterns. Sure. Fair is fair.

Third of all: we (“/here”) need to take special [personal] responsibility in our [ie. Taiwan’s] dust storms. Nevermind just the simpleton aspect of: quantities of dust [“= bad”]. But also the qualities [and type of] of dust. Many of our dry and eroded lands, including river beds (not only farmland or “developed” areas), are kicking up dust due to winds and all the environmental terrorism you, me and the next guy commit on the daily [, are causing serious health issues.]

The actual toxicity of what’s in the dust should be far more problematic to anyone with an internet connection [that actually gives a fuck about things like organ failures and cancers]. Cancer rates alone (check which cancers are most prevalent here) should be cause [enough] for alarm.

Naturally, we get geographic weather patterns. This is normal and well known [especially large rock based riverbeds being super heated by the sun and extemes winds…then making water -thus- soil borne pollutants actually air borne. Taiwan’s geography dictates this. Taiwan’s culture makes it even mor etoxic via pollutants out into said envirnmentaly realities]. What’s discussed less is the second tier of concern. Nevermind agriculture spray, and the like, becoming literally airborne, but also just basic land erosion, outside agriculture. Mining, landslides, household cleaners [ie. Drains], machinery leakages etc. All these become literally air borne [even if we give zero shits about direct soil and water pollution]. We should give a bigger fuck about them being water and soil borne (we don’t…). But they literally become airborne. Daily. I have hacked out probably a full kilogram worth of lung oyster today and yesterday. 1 dude, in one of the least polluted places in Taiwan [still polluted as fuck, but the least polluted perhaps, should be more concerning that it is taken].

How we, as both a society and individuals, dont give more of a fuck is beyond words.

I’m tired of people blaming -lets call it xyz-for everything. Blame them for what they are guilty on. And we can blame ourselves for what we are guilty of as well.

#objectivity

If we think ABC company is the root cause of all these well know objective realities, and yet we purchase their products. We ourselves are extremely complicit. Quite frankly, this becomes a chicken or the egg type philosophical discussion. Yet, it isn’t because we aren’t that ignorant, just selfish. We are all then guilty and the solution becomes SUPER easy. But, we won’t try and solve it. They won’t either. Point fingers back and forth. Enjoy the diseases, I guess

Definition of retardation. Or lack of intelligence. Or sumthun

[RickRooney]

No I am actually totally ok with pointing fingers at the govt for doing fuck all to improve traffic pollution.

[Kalle]

@RickRooney

No I am actually totally ok with pointing fingers at the govt for doing fuck all to improve traffic pollution.

They are doing things, like improving public transport with more mrt’s, more convenient bus transport by electronic boards at the bus stops, modernization of the bus fleet etc. But they are definitely not doing enough, lots of room for improvements

[afterspivak]

I’d add: youbikes for free (30 minutes) in Taipei / Xinbei. That is something, maybe not enough, but I think more than “f&&& all.”

Guy

[Explant]

Traffic pollution is very much not the top concern, overall, in my opinion. But it’s the one that the public is guilty of causing themselves, so it gets more attention.

Industry is far worse.

2 wrongs never equal a right, however, so we should be focusing on fixing all of them.

[hannes]

Taipei today

[afterspivak]

Based on the temperature drop, the wind direction has shifted again.

I’m all for getting some cold air, but this dirty soup coming our way . . .

Guy

[slawa]

A nice breeze from Shanghai

[Brianjones]

Shanghai surprise…

[RickRooney]

Fuck all also means very little. Which is the truth. They are doing the bare minimum.

What good is youbike when your only choice is to breathe toxic fumes when riding it?

[afterspivak]

@RickRooney

They are doing the bare minimum.

A data point to support your position: the share of electric scooters actually DROPPED recently as some forms of subsidy dried up! So now there is a higher percentage of noisy polluting petroscooters on the road.

Guy

[RickRooney]

Which will come as no surprise if you have talked to the average ah bei. They see no sense in gogoro etc when the gas option is cheaper. Thats what it comes down to.

[Brianjones]

Just went outside and non stop sneezing don’t know if the cold, bad air or both !

[ppp]

@afterspivak

scooters

cars are safer.

[Membrillo]

@ppp

cars are safer.

For who?

[ppp]

touché/ touchet

[qwert_zuiop]

Incoming…

Strong continental cold air mass to send mercury plunging in Taiwan - Focus...

Meanwhile, the Ministry of Environment warned that the incoming cold air mass will also carry transboundary air pollutants into Taiwan starting Tuesday.
Due to haze over eastern China, air quality nationwide is expected to deteriorate to an “orange alert” level, meaning it is unhealthy for sensitive groups, it said.

[RickRooney]

Its been absolute beijing out there for the last couple of days and same again today. I had bad allergies yesterday and im wondering if thats why.