Democrats have got the US into many wars.
Conservatives dislike 0bama because of his disdain for the Constitution and founding principles of the nation and love of and trust in Big Government.
0bama has not been a conservative POTUS.[/quote]
Well he most certainly hasn’t been liberal or progressive.
Liberals don’t want to accept 0bama? How has he not been liberal or progressive?
No single payer healthcare. Gitmo is still open, no action on guns, widening rich/poor gap, Manning and Snowden in prison and exile respectively, corporate welfare, drone wars, no real action on greenhouse gas emissions, NSA spying… the list goes on.
You need to use liberal and conservative per their meanings in US politics.
0bama has pushed for legislation that puts one-sixth of the US economy under Government control. That’s Big Government and that’s liberal in the US.
That isn’t really a liberal vs. conservative issue, even if some politicians seem to align or fall on one side or the other of the issue.
I think he would if he could. Congress has not cooperated with him.
Liberal policies have resulted in this as much as any conservative policies.
American liberals are all about censorship.
Liberals are very good at corporate welfare. They just like different types of corporations and like to decide which win and which lose.
That isn’t really a liberal vs. conservative issue.
I think he would if he could.
Again, this is not really a liberal vs. conservative issue.
At the risk of stating the obvious again it’s a neoconservative-lite versus neoconservative regular issue.
(neoconservative: n, one who embodies all the worst traits of liberalism and all the worst traits of conservatism in one political package.)
Each of those examples are ones American liberals have been very critical of him over for just the reasons stated. He (in their eyes) is still better than the alternative but the political playing field has been pulled so far right in the US that this is the result. I’m sure he personally is liberal but his presidency hasn’t been.
I did give him a lot of credit in his first term for attempting to reach across the aisle and work with the other side but I now think I was wrong to do that, because his second term has just seen him slide further right.
And now he’s about to start another war.
[quote=“cfimages”]Each of those examples are ones American liberals have been very critical of him over for just the reasons stated. He (in their eyes) is still better than the alternative but the political playing field has been pulled so far right in the US that this is the result. I’m sure he personally is liberal but his presidency hasn’t been.
I did give him a lot of credit in his first term for attempting to reach across the aisle and work with the other side but I now think I was wrong to do that, because his second term has just seen him slide further right.[/quote]
Again, you are viewing this through an Aussie/non-US political lense. Liberals and conservatives have both been critical of Bush and 0bama. What does that tell you?
Again, just because many liberals line up on one side of an issue while many conservatives line up on the other side of the same issue, such posturing does not determine whether the issue itself is one that is either liberal or conservative.
He’ll be joining a long list of democrat/liberal POTUS to do so.
[quote=“Tigerman”][quote=“cfimages”]Each of those examples are ones American liberals have been very critical of him over for just the reasons stated. He (in their eyes) is still better than the alternative but the political playing field has been pulled so far right in the US that this is the result. I’m sure he personally is liberal but his presidency hasn’t been.
I did give him a lot of credit in his first term for attempting to reach across the aisle and work with the other side but I now think I was wrong to do that, because his second term has just seen him slide further right.[/quote]
Again, you are viewing this through an Aussie/non-US political lense. Liberals and conservatives have both been critical of Bush and 0bama. What does that tell you?
Again, just because many liberals line up on one side of an issue while many conservatives line up on the other side of the same issue, such posturing does not determine whether the issue itself is one that is either liberal or conservative. [/quote]
I disagree because I’ve made a concerted effort to only include issues that American liberals have noted and raised.
Then we’re obviously using different definitions of liberal and conservative.
To me, conservativism is the idea that we should adhere closely to the original ideas and principles of the founding of the US.
I’ve already showed that many of the issues you cite are not liberal vs. conservative issues, despite any particular alignment of politicians.
You’ve posted several times that 0bama is going to start a war/hostilities, as if that is a conservative act. I’ve shown that it most definitely is not, at least historically in the context of US politics.
Dunno how else I can explain the matter… 
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Well he most certainly hasn’t been liberal or progressive.[/quote]
He’s been thoroughly left wing. Also, a failure – which is why the hard left is so desperate to disown him now.
The left eat their own.
Rowland can’t fly American Airlines anymore, because there’s no way they can mount a seat further to the right than the engines on the right wing.
America should create a new national holiday, Quagmire Day, to be celebrated on March 19th, the day Operation Fool Me Once was launched in 2003 and America’s fate was sealed for the next several hundred years.
The only question is how it should be celebrated. Happy Quagmire Day? Merry Quagmire Day? Holy Quagmire Day? Suggestions welcomed.
[quote=“Winston Smith”]America should create a new national holiday, Quagmire Day, to be celebrated on March 19th, the day Operation Fool Me Once was launched in 2003 and America’s fate was sealed for the next several hundred years.
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Let’s call it Blame Day. We can celebrate it by farting and then blaming it on the dog. Then we’ll have the airing of grievances.
Here, let me post a cartoon you’ll like.
Feel better?
That magic underpants guy was soooo stupid.
I mean, really. What was he thinking? So glad a cooler head prevailed.
[quote=“rowland”][quote=“Winston Smith”]America should create a new national holiday, Quagmire Day, to be celebrated on March 19th, the day Operation Fool Me Once was launched in 2003 and America’s fate was sealed for the next several hundred years.
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Let’s call it Blame Day. We can celebrate it by farting and then blaming it on the dog. Then we’ll have the airing of grievances.[/quote]
Sounds more like a movement than an annual holiday because every day is Blame Day for neoconservatives. Another problem is people caught on a long time ago that the stink is emanating from the likes of Dick Cheney and not Barack Obama.
Dick Cheesy. He he.
You’re making this too easy.
Diversion, but I traveled across Syria in 2007 and it was unbelievably lovely at the time.
[quote=“rowland”]http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/01/27/general-tells-senators-al-qaeda-has-grown-fourfold-in-last-five-years/
The world is a quagmire.[/quote]
al-Qaeda? Isn’t that like Myspace? I mean, it’s soooo 2006. I thought all the kewl kidz were joining ISIS these days. Maybe the general is having a nostalgia moment here- “You young punks and your ISIS- I tell you, in my day, we had al-Qaeda- now those were tough SOBs.”
The general’s sense of history is…interesting. Yes, they chased Ronnie Reagan out of Lebanon- but speaking of tough guys, he did manage to take out Grenada.
U.S. troops left Saudi Arabia in 2003, when Donald Rumsfeld said they weren’t needed to support the invasion of Iraq- and of course, while a fellow named bin Laden had something to say about that, it had nothing to do with Iran- maybe, like George W. Bush, the general is unclear on the difference between Sunnis and Shi’ites.
US troops left Iraq- yes, the prime minister installed under Bush (and pushed out under Obama)(and who was involved in the bombing of Marines in Lebanon- see above) did insist on US troops withdrawing, but anybody who knew anything about Iraq- i.e. nobody in the Bush Administration- would have realised that’s what would happen when you overthrow a Sunni government and allow a Shi’ite one into power.
Other than that, yes, Hezbollah still controls the Shia portions of Beirut (and other parts of Lebanon); the Syrian government is still allied with Iran, though they’ve lost control over a good chunk of their territory lately; and the Sunnis of Gaza are still willing to take support from anybody who doesn’t like Israel.
Yes, for anyone who can read a newspaper or a map, there is considerable doubt- in fact, Iran looks like they’ve gone backward over the last few years.
Remember, as the general seems unable to do, these are the enemies of Iran.
Radical Islam- would that be radical Sunni Islam or radical Shia Islam? This is like saying in 1941, the enemy of the West is “socialism”, without differentiating between the Soviet Union and the National Socialists of Germany. In the long run, they’re both nasty, but in the meantime you really have to look at the geopolitical situation at the time.
Unless your main objective actually is to pressure/elect an Administration which would pour huge sums of money into the coffers of whichever arms company you are currently shilling for.