Osama bin Laden didn’t start Al Qaeda until after the US put troops into Saudi Arabia, which is considered “heresy” by muslims…sorta along the lines of how christians viewed Saladin controlling jerusalem.
It’s all well and good to talk about what OBL, the Bali bombers, Hamas, Hezbollah and other looney tunes have done, but until you address the reason WHY these people feel they have a grievance, you’re never going to placate them. Both sides have to make amends, not just one.
For the US, UK and Israel to tell others to stop their violence without stopping their own is as unreasonable and hypocritical as a thief or murderer telling a victim’s family to shut up, or complaining when the victim’s family seeks revenge. In most conflicts, both sides share the blame and guilt equally.[/quote]
Wow, that’s a load of drivel. Al Qaeda was started in 1988. The US didn’t have any troops in Saudi Arabia until Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990. Then, at the request of the Saudi royal family, US troops were stationed there as part of Operation Desert Shield.
Al Qaeda doesn’t just want the US out of the Middle East, it is their express purpose to destroy Israel and enslave the Middle East in a Sunni caliphate that follows the strictest version of the Quran. They want to control Jerusalem, they hate non-Sunni Muslims including the Shia, they hate the Jews, they hate the Pagans, and they hate the Christians. I don’t see what amends can be made here. What validity do their grievances have? The Bali bombers wanted to kill as many civilians as possible. OBL did with 9/11, 7/7 and the other attacks on civilian targets. Hamas and Hezbollah are a different category because they both want their own sovereign territory; their goal is not to destroy everyone else who is not Muslim.
[quote=“Bin Laden’s Second Fatwa, 1998”]
The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies – civilians and military – is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, “and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together,” and “fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God.” [/quote]
As far as you’re quote about the violence, the US and UK don’t specifically target civilians. Israel has a 3 part, 60 page long thread on whether they do or not, but the US, UK and other developed countries specifically don’t. Al Qaeda on the other hand, flew a fucking two airplanes INTO THE TWIN TOWERS. Their point was to kill as many civilians as they COULD. That’s not the same as a fuck-up where you kill civilians. The developed countries of the world do their best to minimize the number of civilians killed. Unfortunately civilians die sometimes when military force is used. Now we try and minimize the number killed. Al Qaeda still tries to maximize the number of civilians killed, as if this is still the Middle Ages. That is deliberate barbarism whereby you show the world you truly do not belong among the living.
Where as in a conflict there is a guilt to be apportioned to both sides, I would find those 3000 dead people in 9/11 guilty of nothing. They were innocent of any wrong doing other than being Americans and working in the Towers. I don’t frankly give a damn why Al Qaeda did what they did, I just want every one of their members dead. They want their 72 virgins and I want to see them meet them as early as possible. As for Osama Bin Laden, he will have a special place in hell to burn. There will be no forgiveness for what he has done. The only conclusions are: he dies hiding in a cave in fear , he is killed while trying to be apprehended or we successfully capture, try and execute him. Then we scatter his ashes in the 7 seas so he can’t be memorialized.
I find that the argument you presented to be fundamentally flawed in premise, implementation and conclusion. Try harder next time.