Alternatives to Taiwan for expats who love Taiwan (but don't love the pay)

Or you can go bust as an alternative.

Are there actually statistics on foreigners that committed suicide?

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How easy is that for those of us who don’t speak Chinese well, or aren’t married to someone who does? Not very, I’m guessing. Also, as I understand it, one needs either to be married, earn an APRC, or have substantial startup funds. I’ve got great business plans, but no ability to start one, and it will be years before I could save the money to put into it, and then, is it worth the risk?

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I think you are abusing the word appointment :slight_smile:

You can call and book in, but trying to predict when your number is up is tricky. Same ‘appointment’ system as mainland China…

What hospital did you try to book an appointment?

As far as I know Veterans General hospital in Shipai has a system that tells you what your number is right when you book it, and you can also check online to see what number it is on right now. I don’t know about other hospitals.

There are also numerous clinics that have much less people waiting to see a doctor.

And US healthcare quality is GREAT, if you can afford it that is. Like paying 1000 dollars a month for insulin.

You can try ESL teaching in Japan, Korea, Singapore, HK or Vietnam if you can’t hack it in Taiwan. All have their own problems though, and some may be more problematic than Taiwan in many respects. I’m not including mainland China as an alternative for obvious reasons..

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A few people I know really enjoy Ho Chin Min City.

There you go putting the letter U in the word color.

Quality of life in Asia: Singapore
High salaries: HK

I’ll take waiting a couple of hours in a busy hospital where I will receive the care I need over waiting months or years for an appointment or paying premium and gambling they will deem me worth enough to live.

I can choose thousands of small clinics and big hospitals and that is not limited by my wallet. As a foreigner, I also earn more to pay premium and do not mind paying into NHI. I’d rather pay NHI and know I can use it any time and feel good that my contribution helps others. But I am also a soft hearted hippie who picks up stray animals on the street and pays for stranger’s kids to have books and school supplies.


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There you go putting the letter U in the word color.

Without us British peeps adding some colourful humour the place may be dull .
Although BJ has the honour of only having an honorary British title (as a favour) .
I know you like to be the centre of attention sometimes, but we are all neighbours and should vigourously embrace a more colourist language.
You are still my favourite ; although not my saviour , the spectre of socialism worries me and seems full of theatre and dark manoeuvres as it moves away from the centre. I shall resist with every fibre .


If you want good salary, happy life in taiwan it is almost always accomplished by opening your own company. For hard works who can think critically, Taiwan is hard to beat to be honest.

Good to know. Successful own business pays off every where. I rather be somewhere with fresh air to start with it.

But I agree with you.

Taiwanese labour, which is decently skilled, is willing to work hard and long for low/average pay. As capitalist you gotta love it

there are also less barriers to starting a business, startup cost is lower because there are less compliance costs. But Taiwan is a crappy place to be hired by anyone…

Unfortunately not everyone has the business acumen to run a company. If I tried to open a foreigner bar everyone would be getting food poisoning

They are, for about 2 or 3 months before giving you a day notice, taking a long break and working somewhere else. I guess it’s still profitable for the laobans to have to train new people every month or else they would pay more.

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Only sell liquids.

So the alternatives are:

  1. Land a coveted job that pays well with a company that treats you like a human being - :rofl: unrealistic but someone is doing it, I mean, or else…

Any ideas how to catch this unicorn? Both OP and I are interested.

  1. Start your own business.

Hmmm…needs a lot of capital. And a realistic business plan with a defined exit strategy.

For example: Many foreigners -and locals, TBH-start a restaurant without realizing that it is slavery to the business. You will be hooked to the grill and floor 24/7. At least the first 5 years. They think getting their friends to fill it up on opening night is success. Locals especially devote more money and thought to decor than getting good or at least enough servers. And never treat them right. That is why they leave. Or they stay until their pensions might kick in…And get fired.

Import/export trade companies, software development, etc are fields where foreigners have found decent success. Any suggestions for anyone who follows this alternative?

Its 4 am and i am just sitting down to take a shit, eat "dinner/breakfast"and check the phone. If you want the reality of being a laoban, there it is. But when i say open a company i mean it as a thinker and a doer. So basically not talking about restaraunts. Thats a business yes. A romantic idea, yes. But more than most other industries doomed to failure. Sorry, but rather obvious to those who stick around. Pretty much the same for locals. Spend lots setting up. Ram head into brick wall. Sell off cheap, next guy takes over and repeat.

Get into inovation, manufacturing, hard work others dont want to (or cant) do or dont have the skill set AND dilliegence you do. Teachers tend to do restaraunt/market style industries after losing their mind in the human rights abuse industry. I owned buxiban before too, i get it. thats the general mentality. Its fun and good, but few make it long term. Just a fact manydont often like to talk about. Anyone with a million dollar idea is going to implement it themself, so its best not to count on someone giving you the golden egg. You need to spend thousands of hours bleeding, sweating and crying to make it usually. Success is often not romantic. But for those willing to fight through the bullshit, taiwan offers a life seldom seen in other countries. Thats why really long term people are either very successful or married and still teaching cram schools at 70.

Make no mistake, its not easy here. But i would day if you push through the first years and make your company international, you will likely do very well for yourself. And as souldraining, tiring and painful as it is, at least with your own company you get the confidence, and often success, of having a bright future unlike being a slave for a real dick your entire life…

I think people should stop imagining some fantasy story of success. Its tiring and failures happen. Everything here is not so clear and twisted. From insurance to banking to actual government law. Learn chinese and more importantly learn local customs. If one cant do that. Leaving or eternal bitterness is innevitable. If one can do that and is a smart cookie that can work long and hard, welcome to paradise.

Also expect cancer. FYI.


From the environment, or from the stress of being an entrepreneur?