Hello. I just had something terrible happen with my scooter. I have been riding this scooter for years without papers and have never had a problem with parking. I have always parked it in the same place whenever I go to a shopping mall near my home.
Well, I came out of the shopping mall today and couldn’t find my scooter. A trip down to the police station revealed that it had been towed away. I went to where it had been impounded and they told me that they need to original registration papers. Oops! I don’t have the papers. Do I have to say “Bye Bye scooter”? 
[quote=“Whole Lotta Lotta”]Hello. I just had something terrible happen with my scooter. I have been riding this scooter for years without papers and have never had a problem with parking. I have always parked it in the same place whenever I go to a shopping mall near my home.
Well, I came out of the shopping mall today and couldn’t find my scooter. A trip down to the police station revealed that it had been towed away. I went to where it had been impounded and they told me that they need to original registration papers. Oops! I don’t have the papers. Do I have to say “Bye Bye scooter”? [/quote]
Yes.
What is it with this country? When I first came here, this place used to be like the wild west. You could get away with anything you wanted here. In the old days, I think I could have talked to the cops and they would have let me have the bike back. That was the way things were. Now everything has changed. 
Yep, screwed.
I had a problem with this once, i burrowed the mum-in-laws crv and got towed in another city, had no papers or anything and they wouldnt release it until my (horrible, devil woman) mum-in-law took a train and taxi down with the papers.
She nearly didnt make it either as they close after a certain time.
They are without doubt the biggest a-holes in the world, i nearly got into a fist fight with the tow guys once too…
Park more carefully next time 
[quote=“smellybumlove”]Yep, screwed.
I had a problem with this once, i burrowed the mum-in-laws crv and got towed in another city, had no papers or anything and they wouldnt release it until my (horrible, devil woman) mum-in-law took a train and taxi down with the papers.
She nearly didnt make it either as they close after a certain time.
They are without doubt the biggest a-holes in the world, i nearly got into a fist fight with the tow guys once too…
Park more carefully next time [/quote]
Sigh. Somehow I think there has to be a way out of this. At least it is an old scooter that I didn’t pay much for years ago. What would they want with my scooter anyway? It is not like the other guy is going to come and get it. Nobody is. What are they really gaining from this?
OK. Maybe I had it coming. But I have to think there is somebody out there who has been in the same situation and was still able to get their bike back. If there is a possibility, I want to know about it.
[quote=“iix23”][quote=“Whole Lotta Lotta”][quote=“smellybumlove”]Yep, screwed.
I had a problem with this once, i burrowed the mum-in-laws crv and got towed in another city, had no papers or anything and they wouldnt release it until my (horrible, devil woman) mum-in-law took a train and taxi down with the papers.
She nearly didnt make it either as they close after a certain time.
They are without doubt the biggest a-holes in the world, i nearly got into a fist fight with the tow guys once too…
Park more carefully next time [/quote]
Sigh. Somehow I think there has to be a way out of this. At least it is an old scooter that I didn’t pay much for years ago. What would they want with my scooter anyway? It is not like the other guy is going to come and get it. Nobody is. What are they really gaining from this?[/quote]
Dude you have been here since at least 2006. Grow up. You had a good run, now you bite the dust. Take it like a man and bring your indignation somewhere else. :ohreally:
To the mods? is there an award for the worst OP of the year?? That guy should at least have a mention in it :loco:[/quote]
Sorry for you impending impounded loss whole lotta lotta.
For having been here for as long as you have been, you should let it rest before the authorities charge you with stealing the bike. or other offences 
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I have been here long enough to know that I am not the only one who has ridden a bike without papers :no-no: .
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For having been here for as long as you have been, you should let it rest before the authorities charge you with stealing the bike. or other offences [/quote]
I have been here long enough to know that I am not the only one who has ridden a bike without papers :no-no: .[/quote]
Yep you are right. But you are the one who has been asking how to get out of it because you don’t know how to do it, and all the answers you got was, take the lost and be happy you haven’t been charged with offences. 
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I have never heard of anybody being charged with offences for riding a scooter that wasn’t theirs. Heck! They never even saw me on the thing :fume: .
Taiwan is becoming more aware of the need to uphold laws. This means less wild wild west and more in keeping to the letter of the law. Sometimes this is good, sometimes not soo good.
They want proper moto/scoot registration now and no papers means the scoot will eventually be junked (after a few months at the fuzzstation).
In the past TW drivers licenses never expire, then they started with this USA idea five year validity. I went down to the DMV to renew mine and had my car parked outside. Well they just changed the law then to require an ARC. Well I didnt have one and I couldnt get my license renewed. Thank God the law had just been instated and I was able to get the manager of the place to give me a one time dispensation and renew my DL> She told me the next time Id better have an ARC. Gave me a break which I appreciated to this day.
But those breaks are going to be few and far between as TAiwan makes further attempts at becoming a First World nation. And policing its laws.
YOu dont have papers for your scoot? YOu probably have to write it off. You could maybe get a Taiwanese person to go there and maybe try to find a way to “talk” that scoot out, but even so, its on borrowed time. It could get picked up again at any time.
Get a Vespa? ( know I know, its all gonna cost money, lifes a bitch …)
p.s. LOL@ divea’s comment:
“Sorry for your impending impounded loss whole lotta lotta.”
I dont think its an impending loss, i think its more of an impended loss . Definitely Past Tense. 
Geez, lotta. get over it. steal another bike and carry on.
Why buy a bike with no papers? You can’t resell it (well, unless you can find someone that doesn’t mind losing it whenver they get pulled over for something)
Actually, the offenses would be driving an unregistered vehicle, driving a vehicle without insurance, what else? Oh, you probably don’t have a license to drive it, so slap another $6k on for that, let alone the fact that if you are ever involved in any kind of road accident, you will automatically be held liable…I think they are probably doing you a favor by impounding the bike and eventually scrapping it for you. Or buy another $7k paperless bike that’s been passed down from whitey to whitey and keep on truckin’. 
[quote=“tommy525”]Taiwan is becoming more aware of the need to uphold laws. This means less wild wild west and more in keeping to the letter of the law. Sometimes this is good, sometimes not soo good.
They want proper moto/scoot registration now and no papers means the scoot will eventually be junked (after a few months at the fuzzstation).
In the past TW drivers licenses never expire, then they started with this USA idea five year validity. I went down to the DMV to renew mine and had my car parked outside. Well they just changed the law then to require an ARC. Well I didnt have one and I couldnt get my license renewed. Thank God the law had just been instated and I was able to get the manager of the place to give me a one time dispensation and renew my DL> She told me the next time Id better have an ARC. Gave me a break which I appreciated to this day.
But those breaks are going to be few and far between as TAiwan makes further attempts at becoming a First World nation. And policing its laws.
YOu dont have papers for your scoot? YOu probably have to write it off. You could maybe get a Taiwanese person to go there and maybe try to find a way to “talk” that scoot out, but even so, its on borrowed time. It could get picked up again at any time.
Get a Vespa? ( know I know, its all gonna cost money, lifes a bitch …)
p.s. LOL@ divea’s comment:
“Sorry for your impending impounded loss whole lotta lotta.”
I don’t think its an impending loss, I think its more of an impended loss . Definitely Past Tense. [/quote]
Ok! OK! So maybe I did bring this down on myself a bit and I shouldn’t feel too sorry for myself :aiyo: . But I don’t know how I feel about Taiwan enforcing the letter of the law in order to become more of a first world nation. They should enforce the spirit of the law.
The less bureacracy there is the more likely people will be to follow laws. I am not saying Taiwan is too bureaucratic. I am saying I hope it can catch up to first world nations without getting their bureaucracy. As the person whose name is on the paper is in the states and there is no way of contacting them, I think there should be a way out of this because the bike is not stolen. Maybe I am just being overly optimistic.
[quote=“Whole Lotta Lotta”][quote=“tommy525”]Taiwan is becoming more aware of the need to uphold laws. This means less wild wild west and more in keeping to the letter of the law. Sometimes this is good, sometimes not soo good.
They want proper moto/scoot registration now and no papers means the scoot will eventually be junked (after a few months at the fuzzstation).
In the past TW drivers licenses never expire, then they started with this USA idea five year validity. I went down to the DMV to renew mine and had my car parked outside. Well they just changed the law then to require an ARC. Well I didnt have one and I couldnt get my license renewed. Thank God the law had just been instated and I was able to get the manager of the place to give me a one time dispensation and renew my DL> She told me the next time Id better have an ARC. Gave me a break which I appreciated to this day.
But those breaks are going to be few and far between as TAiwan makes further attempts at becoming a First World nation. And policing its laws.
YOu dont have papers for your scoot? YOu probably have to write it off. You could maybe get a Taiwanese person to go there and maybe try to find a way to “talk” that scoot out, but even so, its on borrowed time. It could get picked up again at any time.
Get a Vespa? ( know I know, its all gonna cost money, lifes a bitch …)
p.s. LOL@ divea’s comment:
“Sorry for your impending impounded loss whole lotta lotta.”
I don’t think its an impending loss, I think its more of an impended loss . Definitely Past Tense. [/quote]
Ok! OK! So maybe I did bring this down on myself a bit and I shouldn’t feel too sorry for myself :aiyo: . But I don’t know how I feel about Taiwan enforcing the letter of the law in order to become more of a first world nation. They should enforce the spirit of the law.
The less bureacracy there is the more likely people will be to follow laws. I am not saying Taiwan is too bureaucratic. I am saying I hope it can catch up to first world nations without getting their bureaucracy. As the person whose name is on the paper is in the states and there is no way of contacting them, I think there should be a way out of this because the bike is not stolen. Maybe I am just being overly optimistic.[/quote]
OK… i think its enough… there is no success for a country without laws and without a police force to enforce them… i would definitely teach English to all police so that they could stop foreigners and ask them for their papers and license on the spot… too bad i am not an English teacher… but the point is, if you fuck with the law don’t complain when the law takes it back with you… close your legs and walk home… i didnt have license for a couple of years and had to pay a couple of tickets… i didnt complain because i knew what i was doing, i got my documents and got my Taiwanese license… now i even have international driver license from Taiwan for my business trips…
There IS a way out, of course. One that is stunning in its simplicity. Don’t shell out money for a paperless bike. Now, how easy was THAT? 
And what the fuck do you mean by the “spirit of the law” in this case? I never EVER heard of “oh, whine, boo hoo! Gimme a BREAK pleeeease officer!” as being the “spirit of any law.”
You cocked a snook at the authorities, thought you wouldn’t get caught, and were proved wrong. They’re in their power to charge you with vehicle theft, you know, so its maybe just as well that their idea of the “spirit of the law” differs from yours.
You are lucky it wasn’t reported as stolen, then you’d really have something to complain about.
I know of two different foreigners who had their plates stripped and cars impounded recently because they got stopped or tried to re-register and had $100k+ in driving fines. I really don’t understand what they were thinking. I don’t know where you live Lotta, but here in Taipei, road stops have become quite frequent and, at least for bikes, they’ll always run the plates to check that the vehicle is registered.
What exactly is the spirit of the law, that the authorities should allow people to collect bikes from an impound lot with no evidence it is theirs. I can just see what would happen. You would be complaining on forumosa that someone else stole your bike from the impound lot by convincing the employee it was their own bike! sheesh! You are probably driving a stolen bike. In my opinion the spirit of the law should mean you get arrested.
[quote=“Whole Lotta Lotta”]
The less bureacracy there is the more likely people will be to follow laws. I am not saying Taiwan is too bureaucratic. I am saying I hope it can catch up to first world nations without getting their bureaucracy. As the person whose name is on the paper is in the states and there is no way of contacting them, I think there should be a way out of this because the bike is not stolen. Maybe I am just being overly optimistic.[/quote]
So you are saying countries that require proof that ou own your car when you go to collect it are too bureaucratic? How do they know you are really friends with the person who owns the bike?