And yet again...another shooting rampage in the USA

Maybe requiring all guns to have tiny but effective defeat devices which would electronically disable them in certain public spaces is a viable compromise solution. Possession of guns without such a defeat device would “trigger” automatic prison time and a permanent ban on gun ownership.Guns would have to be electronically certified as compliant yearly. A fifty thousand bounty backed by a loudly trumpeted ad campaign would be offered to anyone providing actionable information on anyone possessing non-compliant firearms.

Since criminals with black market weapons aren’t the ones gunning down people in movie theaters, schools or churches gun owners like Rowland and I would still be free to pump the guts of home intruders full of lead but you wouldn’t have to live in fear of Rowland Jr. gunning you down at the mall if he had unresolved daddy issues.

Whom could we trust to implement this competently?

We can rule out the US government. Tneir track record on computerized systems is pretty awful. Wouldn’t trust them to run a virus scan. Not to mention the conflicts of interest.

When the criminals get their hands on the disable transmitters… and of course they’ll modify their own guns. All this will do is breed a more tech savvy criminal class. I prefer my criminals dumb, thank you.

The NRA would be put in charge of implementing it. And we’re not trying to disarm sophisticated criminals here. We’re trying to disable twenty-something would-be mass murderers with a grudge against society. The minute they stepped into a gun free zone with a smart gun a dormant, second chip embedded in its grip would be activated and silent alarms would go off. Whole industries would spring up around trying to collect the gun industry funded $50,000 bounty for smart gun hackers. For that matter, the $50,000 bounty would be paid to anyone who informed on any would-be mass murderer and he or she would be given immunity even if a minor participant.

And again…this time in Arizona.

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Oh America. To have so much and yet so little.

Well, these things are going to happen.

and happen.

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Jeb Bush - one of the most moderate GOP candidates

Fuck me sideways…another one in Texas.

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That’s 2 today.

And then there were 3.

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Seriously, we need to ban these gun-free zones.

On another tangent:

I guess a lot of people learned their lesson from smart phones. When your technology is smarter than you are you might as well be holding a brick.

Thanks for the reminder.

Got stats to back that claim?

Would you say the same thing about a nail gun or switchblade?

Also, mind the high talk about what you care about. The US population has yet to show that it really cares what any of us think on this matter.

Sad really, no matter how many people die there’s a pathological response to why guns “ain’t” the cause. Ever notice there is a specific demographic that’s all about the guns, god, and dune buggies? Maybe sterilize them, ring fence them in Montana, and let them kill each other.

You can kill somebody with a brick.

Ban bricks!

[quote=“rowland”]You can kill somebody with a brick.

Ban bricks![/quote]

Truly insightful, thanks for sharing. It’s one of those things that you don’t really think about until somebody says it and then it’s like, yes of course it was right there in front of me the whole time. Why didn’t I think of that? Of course bricks are the same as guns. Two things that can kill, duh

Not only have you solved America’s gun problem, but I think you’ve gone a long way to solving the debt problem as well. Can you imagine what a complete game changer this is when the military figures out they can stop wasting money on unnecessary and complicated weaponry and just start using bricks? There will be money to spare for healthcare, to fully fund social security, everybody will be better off. For the first time in a long time, I’m excited about the future !

It’s ironic that the place where the first shooting rampage in the U.S. occurred in 1966 when 16 strangers were shot dead by a disgruntled student is now allowing students to carry concealed weapons on campus.

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[quote=“Winston Smith”]It’s ironic that the place where the first shooting rampage in the U.S. occurred in 1966 when 16 strangers were shot dead by a disgruntled student is now allowing students to carry concealed weapons on campus.

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Next guy who attempts a shooting rampage there won’t make national news.

Back to your regularly scheduled derp.

[quote=“rowland”][quote=“Winston Smith”]It’s ironic that the place where the first shooting rampage in the U.S. occurred in 1966 when 16 strangers were shot dead by a disgruntled student is now allowing students to carry concealed weapons on campus.

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Next guy who attempts a shooting rampage there won’t make national news.

Back to your regularly scheduled derp.[/quote]

With 10,000 weapons on campus no questions asked it’s only a matter of time before some college professor and a disgruntled student have a shootout in the middle of class with the angry student getting the drop on everyone. Fifty people all pulling .357’s and .45’s at once should make for some interesting crossfire. You’d be asking for it coming to school not packing heat with so many loose cannons around.

America’s first shooting rampage, UT Austin 1966, the one that started it all:

[quote]The first shots fired by Whitman from the tower’s outer deck came at approximately 11:48 a.m. He first hit Claire Wilson, an 18-year-old anthropology student who was eight months pregnant. Whitman shot Wilson in the abdomen, killing her unborn child. The shot dropped Wilson to the concrete on the mall as her fiancé, 18-year-old Thomas Eckman, asked her, “What’s wrong?” Whitman shot and killed Eckman as he tried to help Wilson. He next shot Robert Boyer, a 33-year-old mathematician, who was killed instantly by a single shot to the lower back. After shooting Boyer, Whitman shot a 31-year-old student named Devereau Huffman in the right arm; Huffman fell wounded beside a hedge. When Charlotte Darehshori, a young secretary, ran to help Boyer and Huffman, she came under fire. She crouched beneath the concrete base of a flagpole for an hour and a half, shielding herself from Whitman’s view. Nearby, Whitman shot David Gunby, a 23-year-old electrical engineering student walking in the courtyard. Whitman fatally shot Thomas Ashton, a 22-year-old, in the chest. Next he shot Adrian and Brenda Littlefield as they walked onto the South Mall. Two young women, Nancy Harvey and Ellen Evganides, were wounded as they walked down the West Mall. Whitman shot Harvey, who was five months pregnant, in the hip, and Evganides in the leg and thigh. Both Harvey and her unborn child survived.

Whitman began to fire upon people walking on Guadalupe Street; he shot and wounded 17-year-old newspaper delivery boy Alex Hernandez, before fatally wounding 17-year-old Karen Griffith with a shot to the shoulder and lung. The next victim was a 24-year-old senior named Thomas Karr, whom Whitman fatally shot in the back as he walked to his residence after completing an exam. On the third block, Whitman shot and wounded 35-year-old basketball coach Billy Snowden from a distance of over 1,500 feet (460 m). Nearby, he shot 21-year-old Sandra Wilson in the chest.

On the corner of 24th and Guadalupe, Whitman shot and wounded two students, Abdul Khashab and his fiancee Janet Paulos, outside a dress shop. Khashab, a 26-year-old chemistry student from Iraq, was shot in the elbow and Paulos in the chest. The next to be shot was a 21-year-old named Lana Phillips, whom Whitman wounded in the shoulder. Phillips’ sister ran from cover to drag Lana to safety.

Three Peace Corps trainees, Tom Herman, Roland Ehlke and David Mattson, were Whitman’s next targets. The trio were shot at as they walked toward a luncheon for volunteers. Mattson had part of his wrist blown off. Ehlke subsequently recalled that he heard Mattson scream as the bullet hit him in the wrist; the youth saw shrapnel from the shot had embedded into his own left arm. Ehlke was shot in the left biceps before he dove for cover. Ehlke emerged from cover to drag his friend to safety and was shot again in the leg. A 64-year-old local shopkeeper named Homer Kelly helped drag the wounded duo—plus Herman—into his shop, before he was shot and wounded in the leg.

To the rear of the intersection of 24th and Guadalupe Street, Whitman targeted two 21-year-olds, Oscar Royuela and Irma Garcia, as the pair walked toward the university’s biology laboratory. Shot first, Garcia later said the bullet spun her “completely around” and she fell to the ground. Royuela tried to help Garcia when he was shot through the shoulder blade; the bullet exited through his left arm. Students Jack Stephens and Jack Pennington ran from cover and dragged the pair to safety. Whitman targeted a 26-year-old carpenter named Avelino Esparza and seriously wounded him in the left shoulder.

Directly in front of the entrance to the West Mall on Guadalupe Street, two 18-year-old students named Paul Sonntag and Claudia Rutt had taken refuge behind a construction barricade alongside teenager Carla Sue Wheeler. Whitman started shooting in that direction and hit Sonntag in the mouth, killing him instantly. Sonntag’s body fell against a parking meter and knocked the barricade slightly open. Rutt tried to reach Sonntag while Wheeler restrained her; Whitman shot a bullet that passed through Wheeler’s left hand, and hit Rutt in the chest. Rutt died later in the hospital; Wheeler survived.

A block north of where Sonntag and Rutt were killed, Whitman shot and killed Harry Walchuk, a 38-year-old doctoral student and father of six. He next shot the 36-year-old press reporter Robert Heard in the arm as Heard ran toward two highway patrolmen coming on the scene. Slightly north, 18-year-old freshman John Allen was wounded in the forearm as he and acquaintances looked toward the tower from the University of Texas Union.

Killed inside Tower

Edna Townsley, 51. Bludgeoned and shot by Whitman in the Tower reception.
Marguerite Lamport, 56. Killed by a shotgun wound to the chest.
Mark Gabour, 16. Killed by a shotgun wound to the head.

Shot from observation deck

Claire Wilson, 18. Lost the baby she was carrying after being shot through the abdomen.
Thomas Eckman, 18. Shoulder wound. Kneeling over Claire Wilson when he was shot
Dr. Robert Boyer, 33. A physics professor killed by a single shot to the lower back.
Thomas Ashton, 22. A Peace Corps trainee killed by a gunshot to the upper left chest
Karen Griffith, 17. Gunshot wound through the lung.[68] Died August 8.
Thomas Karr, 24. University senior. Killed by a single shot through the spine.
Billy Speed, 23. Police officer. Killed by a shot to his shoulder which traveled into his chest.
Harry Walchuk, 38. Doctoral student. Killed by a single shot to the chest.
Paul Sonntag, 18. Shot through the mouth while hiding behind construction barriers.
Claudia Rutt, 18. Fiancé of Sonntag. Killed by a gunshot to the chest.
Roy Schmidt, 29. An electrician killed by a single shot to the stomach.

Died later of injuries

David Gunby, 58. Gunshot wound of lower back. Died in 2001. Death ruled a homicide.

Wounded

Allen, John Scott
Bedford, Billy
Ehlke, Roland
Evgenides, Ellen
Esparza, Avelino
Foster, F. L.
Frede, Robert
Gabour, Mary Frances
Gabour, Michael
Garcia, Irma
Harvey, Nancy



Gunby, David
Heard, Robert
Hernandez Jr., Aleck
Hohmann, Morris
Huffman, Devereau
Kelly, Homer J.
Khashab, Abdul
Littlefield, Brenda Gail
Littlefield, Adrian
Martinez, Dello
Martinez, Marina



Mattson, David
Ortega, Delores
Paulos, Janet
Phillips, Lana
Royuela, Oscar
Snowden, Billy
Stewart, C. A.
Wilson, Claire
Wilson, Sandra
Wheeler, Carla Sue

As Whitman sat crouched with his back positioned on the north wall, and looking in the north-west corner area of the observation deck where Crum’s shot was heard, Martinez jumped around the corner into the north-east area and rapidly fired all six rounds from his .38 police revolver from a distance of approximately 50 feet (15 m) at Whitman – all of which missed. As Martinez fired, McCoy jumped to the right of Martinez and fired two fatal shots of 00-buckshot with his 12-gauge shotgun, hitting Whitman in the head, neck and left side.

Martinez threw down his now-empty revolver and grabbed McCoy’s shotgun, running to Whitman’s supine body and firing point blank into his upper left arm. Martinez threw the shotgun onto the deck and hurriedly left the scene, repeatedly shouting the words, “I got him.” After tending to the wounded in the stairwell, Austin Police Department (A.P.D.) Officers Milton Shoquist, Harold Moe and George Shepard ascended the stairs to join A.P.D. Officer Phillip Conner and Texas Department of Public Safety Agent W.A. Cowan, arriving on the 28th floor. Moe heard Martinez as he ran past shouting, “I got him,” and relayed his words to the APD radio dispatcher’s hand-held radio.

Ramiro Martinez was initially—and incorrectly—credited by the media as being the officer who killed Whitman.

Martinez later credited the numerous civilian shooters for saving “many lives” by forcing Whitman to take cover, limiting his range of targets. However, Claire Wilson, the first victim, has claimed that the civilian shooters caused confusion and delayed rescue efforts.[/quote]

Or, better yet, no guns. Works in Taiwan, Japan, Australia…

No guns, no gun deaths.

The war on drugs has been a massive failure. Especially the war on marijuana.

I really don’t feel safer if the average citizen was running around with a high power, high capacity weapon actively fighting against those individuals.

Seems to me the war is rather not on drugs, but against one another.

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Take it from someone from a region that has had the army on the streets to battle crime: if you do not remove the causes for drug addition and crime, like abject poverty, hopelessness, lack of jobs/access to education/health, rampant corruption and others, all the firepower in the world is moot.