Now, in the wake of the massive pedophile ring exposed in Anger, France, we find out that the Spanish police have uncovered a huge 500-person pedophile ring.
What on earth is up with the Europeans and their sex-abuse cases? The biggest thing going on in the U.S. is one bizarrely deformed pop star to whom parents regularly send sacrificial children. The situation in these little European towns is almost as if you established a colony consisting of Catholic priests from the U.S.
A few months back, I happened to be sitting next to a guy at the bar in the Tavern. This guy was staying nearby, and attending some kind of conference for law enforcement officials in Taiwan. He had been brought in to give a lecture and workshop teaching law enforcement officials methods for tracking down and catching child pornographers, particularly on the internet. He was Swedish, and apparently a number of the other top experts in the field are also European. He told me that this is one area of law enforcement, in which Europe was clearly and significantly ahead of other parts of the world.
Numbers of Offenders vs. Number of Offenders Caught
Assuming this guy was painting an accurate picture (I have no reason to believe he was not), then a possible question becomes: Which way does the causality run? In other words, are Europeans at the top of this field because there are so many pedophiles in Europe? Or is the reason we hear about so many pedophiles in Europe that the Europeans are just much better at tracking them down and exposing them? Maybe other places have just as many offenders, but the offenders are not caught as often.
I don’t know the answers here. And I am 100% with you that this is something that every decent person should be concerned about. But I think we should be careful to remember that just because a lot of people are caught in a certain place X, that doesn’t necessarily mean that place X has the most offenders. (It wouldn’t surprise me, for example, to discover that South Korea has a higher rate of government officials arrested for corruption than North Korea. But I wouldn’t necessarily assume from this fact that South Korea is a more corrupt place.)
mofa - Hobbes -
Terrible situation. And a huge, multi-national problem. I have seen #'s that the child pornography part of the internet porno world is a multi-Billion $ machine. And the toll on children around the world is devastating.
In the USA, every police department/Sheriff’s Dept. has at least one, usually 3 - 5, officers assigned to child porno/sexual abuse/internet activities. This has no become SOP for law enforcement in the US.
Arrests are usually easily obtained and with the gathered evidence, computer files, stored pics, chatroom logs, etc, convictions are pretty quick. Those perpetrating this crime cut across all strata of society. I have seen convictions of Judges, school administrators, lawyers, the “guy next door” types - every kind.
Another factor, this type of law enforcement is very stressful due to dealings with children and their abuse. Personnel assigned to this tend to burn out very quickly.
Interpol used to have quite a bit of info regarding this subject posted on their site, not sure if its still there. This is a crime that goes beyond borders. And its victims are those most vulnerable.
Next time you’re in Thailand, or any place in Asia for that matter, and you see some obnoxious fat, white bastard with a young girl or boy, ask him where he’s from. Nine out of 10 times he’d be from somewhere in Europe. WTF?!
And the next time you happen to travel to Mexico, or any other parts of Central America for that matter, and you see ‘some obnoxious fat, white bastard’ with a young girl or boy ask him where he is from. Most likely he’d be from somewhere in the US.
Yep, that’s one of the most hideous crimes, child pornography.
It is hard for me to believe that we haven’t put an end to this internet business. I mean come on, we have the technology to fly to the moon and other planets, but we can’t get rid of this horrible business.
How come? Is it so hard to track those internet provider who host these sites? I mean even if they use all kinds of “security” not to get caught, we, united, and combining technology of the US, Europe and Asia, we should be able to get rid of it.
But I guess there are other priorities! and our children are paying the price, and what a price!
Actually most of the tourists I run into in Central America are from Europe as well. I would therefore guess that most of the fat disgusting sex tourists are probably from Germany as well. I guess it just goes to show that Germany is not only fucking its allies but the world’s poor as well. Is anyone here surprised?
I blame George Bush…yadda yadda…[/quote]
Please don’t put words into my mouth, I neither blamed America(ns) nor did I mention Bush.
My post was meant to provide some balance / perspective and confirm what Hobbes touched upon: it’s not only Europeans that engage in such despicable activities. Instead it’s men from wealthy countries, and we do have such outside of Europe, no?
Different nationalities have a different “turf”, for Japanese and Europeans it’s Asia, for US Americans it’s Central America.
I blame George Bush…yadda yadda…[/quote]
Please don’t put words into my mouth, I neither blamed America(ns) nor did I mention Bush.
My post was meant to provide some balance / perspective and confirm what Hobbes touched upon: it’s not only Europeans that engage in such despicable activities. Instead it’s men from wealthy countries, and we do have such outside of Europe, no?
Different nationalities have a different “turf”, for Japanese and Europeans it’s Asia, for US Americans it’s Central America.[/quote]
Well, the first post stated only an opinion or observation… he didn’t provide any evidence to support it… he just stated that it seems that 9 out of every 10 pedophile in Thailand seemed to be European.
You responded by saying that 9 out of 10 pedophiles in Mexico and SA were from the US.
Is your statement supported by anything at all, even if only your observations?
Tigerman, TC, I think you are taking Rascal’s reply to this slighty wrong. Perhaps this just deserved a :loco: . The WTF and the general tone of the post certainly seems to imply that the poster thinks that peadophilia is just a problem for those ‘dirty europeans’. I think Rascal was original pointing up the absurd oversimplification implied by the post. Much like hobbes pointed to mf’s problematic use of the the stats in the first post of this thread. The fact is that there are peadophiles all over the place, and I suspect that all off us of whatever political bent or country of birth, are truly horrified by not only what goes on but by the scale of it. It will aslo require more acts of international law enforcement cooporation. Operation Ore in the UK started when “US Postal Inspection Service uncovered a subscriber website for paedophiles being operated in Texas by a couple. American investigators found details of 75,000 subscribers around the world and passed 7,500 names to British police.”
(Oh, BTW I met quite a few American’s in Thailand. Saw some Ozzies too, and the odd south african. Lots of Scandinavians too)[/url]
Tigerman, TC, I think you are taking Rascal’s reply to this slighty wrong. Perhaps this just deserved a :loco: . The WTF and the general tone of the post certainly seems to imply that the poster thinks that peadophilia is just a problem for those ‘dirty Europeans’. I think Rascal was original pointing up the absurd oversimplification implied by the post. Much like hobbes pointed to mf’s problematic use of the the stats in the first post of this thread. The fact is that there are peadophiles all over the place, and I suspect that all off us of whatever political bent or country of birth, are truly horrified by not only what goes on but by the scale of it. It will aslo require more acts of international law enforcement cooporation. Operation Ore in the UK started when “US Postal Inspection Service uncovered a subscriber website for paedophiles being operated in Texas by a couple. American investigators found details of 75,000 subscribers around the world and passed 7,500 names to British police.”[/quote]
BB,
I know that.
I am merely replying to Rascal’s knee jerk reflex to finger the US whenever he has an opportunity.
You will note that I indicated in my post that stan provided no… zero… nothing in the way of evidence to support his opinion/observation. But, at least his statement appears to have been made per his observation (as unscientific as that might be).
I was merely wondering what evidence Rascal has for his equally stupid statement, seeing as Rascal’s statement seems more of an assertion of fact than an observation.
Did I say ‘that 9 out of 10 pedophiles in Mexico and SA were from the US’!?
Please quote me and make sure my statement does include numbers.
And actually I said CA (Central America) though based on one of the quotes below you could actually include SA, too.
It is supported, see the sources quoted below.
Are you calling me a disruptor?
Uh, but I was directly responding to an argument that was referring to sex tourism, as such my statement does not conflict with yours. Unless of course you can show us that poor men and women from poor countries engage in such (sex tourism) to the same extend as people (mainly men actually) from wealthy nations do.
My pleasure:
[quote]Nine U.S. Citizens Arrested for Child Sex Abroad
The Miami Herald reported that prosecutions by U.S. authorities of U.S. citizens who have traveled abroad for sex with children have increased to nine. According to the U.S. Immigration & Custom’s Enforcement (ICE) division, more than 4,800 people – U.S. citizens, residents and foreign nationals – have been arrested since July 2003 as part of the agency’s ‘‘Operation Predator’’ program aimed at stopping child sex tourism. The vast majority have been charged with sex offenses in the U.S.; nine have been charged with traveling abroad to engage in sex with minors. Of those, four went to Cambodia, and the others traveled to the Philippines, Thailand, Russia, Mexico and Costa Rica, the newspaper reported. World Vision, a Washington-based Christian humanitarian organization, estimated that American men account for about 25 percent of those who travel to Southeast Asia for illegal child-sex activities. Americans represent about 85 percent of those men who go to Mexico, Central America and South America for the same illicit pursuits, the nonprofit agency said.[/quote] usabroad.org/2005/01/nine_us_citizen.html
Sources stating that generally North Americans (includes the US I take it) are as much involved as their (Western) European counterparts:
[quote]Child Sex Tourists
Child sex tourists are typically males and come from all income brackets. Perpetrators usually hail from nations in Western European nations and North America.[/quote] usdoj.gov/criminal/ceos/sextour.html
[quote=“Rascal”]Did I say ‘that 9 out of 10 pedophiles in Mexico and SA were from the US’!?
Please quote me and make sure my statement does include numbers.[/quote]
Oh… you’re right. You only stated that the pedophiles would “most likely be from the US”… my bad…
But, my questions still stand.
Great. next time, maybe you should include the support with your original post.
Can you read? You’d better cite where I call you a “disruptor”…
[quote]The Philippines, Thailand, South Korea, Sri Lanka and Hong Kong are some of the primary Asian destinations for organized sex tours from Germany. (CATW - Asia Pacific, Trafficking in Women and Prostitution in the Asia Pacific)
At least 10,000 of estimated 200,000 - 400,000 German sex tourists seek to sexually exploit children. (The Child Help Organization, Duisburg, "A children
Can you read? You’d better cite where I call you a “disruptor”…