Fer Chrissakes, Rascal… don’t talk to me about taking things out of context… you have added so much extra context to this … look, here is my original statement that you have been fooling with:
The quote from your link supports my above statenment:
The statement you cited says that perpetrators usually hail from wealthy nations. It does NOT say that the perpetrators are ALWAYS from wealthy natuions or that no perpetrators are from poor nations.
Now, go away.
[quote=“Screaming Jesus”]
Did you know that in Iran, girls can legally marry at 14? Suppose a man marries a 14-year-old in Iran, then they come to the U.S… Should the police arrest him (and put her in foster care) or not?[/quote]
Yes, they should throw his ass in jail and throw away the key. A 35 year old man marrying a 14 year old girl is a goddamn pervert, period. Child molestation is one issue where cultural relativism does not apply. And anyone who tries to use the culturally relativist argument, “Yeah, but in Pago Pagu fathers initiate their daughters into sex at age 7, that’s just their culture and we should respect it,” should be shipped to Pago Pagu and sodomized the local tribesmen to experience their colorful exotic “culture”.
[quote=“Tigerman”]Fer Chrissakes, Rascal… don’t talk to me about taking things out of context… you have added so much extra context to this … look, here is my original statement that you have been fooling with:
The quote from your link supports my above statenment:
Yeah, anyone could be a pedophile, including aliens from Mars, and some poor sob from a poor country could indeed have made it across the border and engaged in child sex tourism. Gee, now that does indeed prove that sex tourists are usually NOT from wealthy countries.
Sarcasm alert
Yeah, but then NEITHER did I say they are ALWAYS from wealthy nations, I generalized based on the sources which showed that perpetrators are usually from wealthy countries and poor countries are in a neglectable minority when it comes to sex tourism (neglectable for the argument).
Now do you have any facts to show that poor people from poor nations have a significant impact that would put them on an equal level with perpetrators from wealthy nations and thus prove my statement wrong or is this just a matter of being pedantic?
I’ve already showed why you are wrong. Now, go away.
I didn’t know you were an immigrant – but it might explain a lot. Were you born in the East or West?
WTF are you talking about?
I made no such claim that sex tourists are usually NOT from wealthy countries.
I merely stated that IMO even poor men and women from anywhere, including poor countries, could be pedophiles.
If you wish to discuss this, please make certain not to misquote my assertion…
Now please go away. I already showed you why you are wrong.
More onto the thread topic, I found these new big cases arising in Europe fascinating. I tend not to think Europeans or Americans are more likely or less likely to sexually abuse a child, but I wonder whether these large European rings could have ever grown to the size they did without some sort of lack of oversight or enforcement previously.
A Catholic priest in the U.S. might be able to maintain some level of secrecy by carrying on a very one-on-one sort of contact with altar boys and Catholic school students, using the weight of his position of trust in the community to keep it a secret for decades. Most non-priest cases I’ve heard of from the U.S. involve people downloading child porn or the kinds of creepy guys hiding out in chat rooms looking for kids to meet. Nothing on the level of these European cases in which the child-swapping and barter prostitution must have amounted to something of an open secret within the communities involved. It is also strange to me that these European cases involve towns – it’s not like a bunch of pedophiles managed a loose connection among themselves from all over France or Spain, these people are neighbors, colleagues, school classmates, etc. Any movie made of this would feel like a “Village of the Damned” remake.
Does this mean that the level of fear among pedophiles in the U.S. is higher, or that this community-based pedophilia is more common than I would have ever thought? Perhaps there’s a remote mountain-top in West Virginia where precisely the same sort of trade has been going on for decades with no interference.
I don’t know. I agree that it is unlikely that any one area has more or less pedophiles than any other area…
I think maybe the reason the operations are so large in Europe is that there are parents involved in the trade… usually parents from poor eastern European nations… Such operations would be quite a bit easier to run when the parents are involved, I suppose.
[quote]WTF are you talking about?
I made no such claim that sex tourists are usually NOT from wealthy countries.
I merely stated that IMO even poor men and women from anywhere, including poor countries, could be pedophiles.[/quote]
Moving the bar by inserting IMO? No facts to provide, just IMO? But have your argument Tigerman, I am sure it’s a very important point to consider, just that you don’t seem willing to share with us what that point is and how it relates to what I posted earlier …
No reason to get upset about IMO Rascal. The meaning of the verb could is possibly. It is not a statement of fact.
[quote]WTF are you talking about?
I made no such claim that sex tourists are usually NOT from wealthy countries.
I merely stated that IMO even poor men and women from anywhere, including poor countries, could be pedophiles.[/quote]
WTF are you going on about? I originally stated that even poor men and women from anywhere, including poor countries, could be pedophiles. How you can have a problem with this is beyond my abilities of comprehension. I didn’t move the bar… I provided my ORIGINAL statement.
The obvious is frequently hid from you.
Perhaps we have a bit of an explanation about what happens:
Poor people in developed countries cluster together into communities of child-swapping networks
The poor in developing countries sell their kids’ services to the middle-to-upper-class pedophile tourists.
Those who are not poor but have merely given up material things, clutch onto kids as the opportunities arise.
The truly wealthy pedophile builds an amusement park in his yard, where the soon-to-be-wealthy send their children.
MFGR:
I agree it is sickening but you forgot the most important part of the equation: GERMAN men are mostly responsible for these types of crimes in the Dominican Republic, Recife and no doubt elsewhere.
No Chewy:
This is a magazine about how German men are helping street kids. That unfortunate picture of that elderly man trying to help that naked boy over the chair was really an unfortunate accident. You see as he was wrestling around with him, the boy was laughing and trying to escape over the chair which is when his swimming trunks accidentally got pulled down. The Elderly German man to save the child from embarrassment was taking his own off to cover the boy and protect his modesty. 
[quote=“Chewycorns”]There is even a magazine for German expats in Pattaya
der-farang.com/[/quote]
Interesting article about a home for getting “street children” off the street, where they are provided with consultation with lawyers to establish the reasons for why they were on the street. The home works with police to report instances of alleged physical or mental abuse.
Sidenote on how these Germans organized a pool party for the street kids, with support (food, little toys) from McDonald’s.
By the way, I hear that there’s a few newspapers for English-reading expats in Taiwan :
I guess I should brush up on my German skills. 
Its just when I see a picture like this with Pattaya mentioned, “aid” is not the first thing that comes to mind. Glad to see that there are some middle-aged Germans helping the streetkids out in that horrible city
Chewy:
Yes, I feel thoroughly ashamed of myself as well. How could we have jumped to the conclusion that middle-aged single fat ugly hairy German men visiting Pattaya were there to help the children? I for one feel like a first class chump. I would like to hereby apologize to all those single German men who went to Pattaya without their friends, families, wives, girlfriends just to help the poor little helpless but cute and wise beyond their years children in Thailand who were no doubt just asking for it. That is for a chance to get to visit the pool like all the other “lucky” children.
Feeding kids McDonald’s qualifies as some sort of abuse, shouldn’t it?
“Since they (the homeless children) can’t find work in the tourist centers, they are in a lot of danger. To earn a living, in order to eat and drink, they beg and steal, or prostitute themselves. Boys fall into the hands of pedophiles; girls end up in brothels.”
I guess this could be an ad designed to attract sex tourists to Thailand; I think, however, it’s just a straight report about efforts to help street kids.