Another bash at smokers

In fairness, I haven’t been personally affronted by a smoker for almost 24 hours, and before that I managed to go several days without anyone really pissing me off with their idiotic selfishness. And I should also acknowledge that I know several smokers who are considerate, decent human beings who don’t deserve to be given a hard time over their addiction. They manage their problem without being more of a pain in the arse for the people around them than anyone else. After all, nobody’s perfect and people who don’t smoke are still capable of being Republicans, petrolheads, limbo dancers, Scotsmen or other forms of life that undermine my faith in natural selection.

So I make this post more in the spirit of scientific inquiry than as a rant. Here are a few examples, and I’d be interested to know whether others think that I’m only noticing the things that confirm my opinion or whether there is a real trend in place here. Observations from enraged smokers about my sensitivity to tobacco smoke are off-topic. A simple “I don’t do that” would suffice, as I’m trying to form an accurate impression of what happens rather than re-ignite the war on smoke.

So, I sit down outside a 7-11 yesterday. One of the ones that provides tables and chairs, and ashtrays. Someone is smoking at the next table. So far so acceptable. But when he leaves, the smoke continues. Why? Because he’s made a complete balls-up of stubbing the bloody thing out and it is now smouldering in the ashtray, pleasuring no-one and subjecting me to a completely unnecessary assault on my senses. This happens a lot, and I have to ask “if you’re not smoking it then why are you forcing me to deal with it?” Are smokers making a statement when they do this, or are they just being careless? Don’t they see that it matters?

At the traffic lights a few days ago I see a guy pulling the plastic packaging off a straw, which is attached to a drink in a box. He drops the packaging, slurps the drink, and drops the box in the road. He also has a cigarette in his mouth. I see this a lot. Smokers dropping shit in the streets like they don’t care. I have a friend who I once observed pushing his empty beercans into the bushes near my house, with a cigarette in his mouth. The area outside his house is littered with cigarette ends, and he doesn’t appear to care.

Now I have to ask, am I only noticing this because I already have a negative attitude towards smokers? Or do I take notice of people dropping shit because I also don’t like litter, and then also notice that they often have something else in common?

I’m coming to the conclusion that a disproportionately high percentage of smokers are also careless, in fact contemptuous, of the environment and people around them. Possibly this attitude contributes to them being smokers? Who knows? What’s going on?

If 100 smokers and 100 non-smokers were tracked through a normal day, how many instances of unnecessary pollution (let’s say that actually smoking a cigarette is not pollution) would be observed in each group? What other behavioural characteristics would be observed? Would smokers drop more shit, drive more polluting vehicles, leave more lights on, run more red lights, argue more with their spouses, or what?

My feeling is that, despite the shining examples of humanity who swell their ranks, there are more selfish arseholes walking around with cigarettes in their mouths than not. Comments?

Lord Lucan, in advance, thanks for your input but I wasn’t talking about you specifically or advocating that you be denied your 200 daily fixes in order to make you into a better human. Carry on.

Sounds about right, but I’d hedge on the generalization and say that a greater proportion of smokers will treat the world as their ashtray. (Not much of a hedge, I just don’t know how to word it. There’s plenty of social idiots about… the butt-flinging crowd simply develops bad habits.)

(No one shoved a cig up my arse, but I’m repeatedly forced to have them shoved down my throat, in my eyes, imbued in my clothing.)

I wholeheartedly recommend that you both take up smoking. As soon as possible.

Loretta, you’re a lot like me–far too sensitive for this world. The only way to cope is to acknowledge that every asshole you encounter has the potential for gracious, decent behavior as well. They may never attempt to fulfill that potential, but it exists in most people and it gives me hope when I’m bothered by all of the idiocy and rudeness around me.

I smoke. Not stubbing out a butt is rude indeed, as is littering. I don’t do it. I stub out carefully and find a garbage can, an ash tray or, in a pinch, one of those gated gutters. I also won’t smoke if someone who isn’t smoking is standing in my vicinity. But then, part of being sensitive is actually giving a shit about how other people are affected by my behavior. It’s a curse sometimes.

Are smokers generally less concerned about their environment? That’s probably true, on average. I think the key to the problem here is probably the lack of a sense of civic responsibility among many people in Taiwan. This could include Taiwanese people or people from other countries. I think it was ImaniOU who once said, quite aptly, that many people in Taiwan treat their country like a garbage dump.

I’m interested in the environmental aspect. As an ex smoker I have no issues with smokers or smoke. Taking your un-stubbed out cigarette as an example - you were outside, whats the big deal?

Anyway back to the environmental question, which is I think of interest. I despise tree hugging greenies and all they stand for - is this part of me being a (reformed) smoker?

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Seriously you people who insist on recycling even though it is more expensive and in the long run damaging to both the economy and the environment because its the “cool” thing to do just need shooting. Don’t get me wrong I have no issue with someone going out into the woods and building retaining dams or whatever but don’t expect me to do it and don’t bore me stupid with tales of environment action and the like.

Are you the same people who have lead to smoking being banned in parks and beaches in Hong Kong? I suspect so! You also seem to hate the fact that fuel hungry cars are more fun :slight_smile: and what precisely is the problem with dropping cigarette butts in a street that will be cleaned later in the day? Concrete doesn’t catch fire you know?
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Leave smokers alone. They are a repressed minority and need your sympathy for their misguided habit.

While you are at it please feel free to “Save the planet” but don’t insist every one else share your hobby

Thanks and merry xmas

Thanks, but I’ve inhaled enough secondhand smoke to shorten my life as it is, and living in Taiwan doesn’t help much.

Besides which, I’ve developed a wide range of alternative behaviours to demonstrate how beastly I can be.

There is no causal relationship between smoking and being a douche bag. I can personally attest to that. It is possible that you are looking to vindicate your belief by putting two things you hate together. Don’t be a pessimist, be an optometrist. Instead of focus on your lack, focus on how to get the smoking law enforced. Be a force for change, instead of stressing yourself up over it. It’s actually easier to be positive. If there isn’t an anti-smoking lobby then start one. A.S.H. might give you advice. You appear to have the smarts, the drive, and the words to push it ahead. Who knows where it could lead you.

That was me with the beercans. They were for the old lady who comes round every day to recycle them. I’d feel bad not leaving anything for her. And yesterday I went to Loretta’s house and blew cigarette smoke actually into his letterbox.

I’m an ex-smoker, and now am firmly on the anti-smoking bandwagon, but even back when I was 2 packs a day I hated the smell of a poorly butted cigarette in an ashtray, and always put mine out properly. When out and about I would toss my butts on the ground, but I would at least grind them out with my shoe. No excuse for the littering, I know.

Fortunately, my letterbox is about 10 metres from my actual door. And my mail goes to a PO box in town anyway. So why not just leave your garbage lying around instead of hiding it in the hedge? When I lived in Germany we used to leave our empties prominently on display to make life easier for the street people. It’s the casual “out of sight out of mind” attitude that appalls.

The big deal is that my sense of smell hasn’t been destroyed by wilfully inhaling large quantities of the stuff up close. I can be sitting at traffic lights in a cluster of scooters with engines running and still look around in annoyance to see who’s smoking - I smell it before I see it.

I am not complaining that the guy was smoking outside. But he plainly didn’t understand - as you plainly don’t understand - that cigarette smoke is offensive to many people and being outside doesn’t make it go away. If you’re not actually smoking it then why can’t you put it out? What’s the big deal with doing that? I guess the answer is that you don’t care. That’s why I asked if people are trying to make a statement when they do this. It’s one of those little gestures of defiance against the grown-ups.

As for recycling, if you don’t like it then talk to Sandman. I’m talking about wilful pollution, which is a totally different issue. You may not believe that sewage should be treated and can be dumped directly into the rivers, but if I pissed on your face how would you feel? Recycled, disposed of properly, or imposed on everyone around you, which is better? Anyone can agree that the last option is the worst, except for a few idiots.

Wtf? I’m not complaining about smokers smoking. The laws are adequate and adequately enforced even for one of my militant views. I agree that smokers should be left alone.

But if you’re not smoking it and you leave it burning then you’re being a dick. And if you drop litter then you’re being a dick. Is there a correlation between being a dick and being a smoker? I am starting to believe there is.

I was a dick long before I was a smoker. If I quit smoking I’ll still be a dick. And if I never push another beercan into a hedge (which I won’t – I feel really terrible about it now) I’ll STILL be a dick. SO what? Dicks are people, too.

Maybe, but you’re still a big softie.
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Its disgusting, that’s what. Me and the wife both quit smoking when she became pregnant – well, she quit – I quit smoking in the house. Recently she started having a fly puff in the kitchen with the door closed and the extractor fan on. Even though I’m a smoker myself, I still smell it as soon as I walk in the house and its unpleasant. I can’t imagine how unpleasant it must be to a non-smoker.

Maybe, but you’re still a big softie.
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Yeah? Well a big soft dick is better than a big hard dick any day… erm… yes… or something. I just said something rude, didn’t I?

Optometrists are happy people? Must be all that gazing into beautiful eyes all day.

I was a smoker for 25 years , and have gone nearly a year without. So, I don’t think after subjecting others to my smoke for so long, would ever be asking a smoker to stop, move elsewhere or whatever. There were times if I was smoking in public, perhaps waiting at a set of lights that someone brushed up against a lit cigarette, not to mention how dangerous it is with young children running around near lit cigarettes in hand, that as a smoker you realize smoking in public is not only annoying to others but potentially dangerous.

Smokers get dirty looks all the time, and are well aware its a dirty filthy habit, and at times would be a catalyst for a certain amount of self loathing. So, be a little considerate when dealing with an addict, in some ways its no different to talking to someone who is grossly overweight, its not like they have never heard the heath issues or different methods of giving up or changing their lifestyle.

When you are a smoker you have more pressing matters than disposing off your cigarette butts in a way that pleases non smokers and environmentalists, believe me.

I hate to be exposed to second-hand smoke, it really drives me crazy sometimes, but I don’t hate smokers, cause I have been there and I remember how miserable life was being a smoker.

If you are a non-smoker or an ex-smoker and you want to help those still enslaved by that ridiculously pointless behavior of regularly administering significant quantities of poison to their bodies, all you can do is to show them that you are the one whose better off and that stopping smoking is the best way to enhance the quality of your life, no matter what else you are doing.

One of the great things of becoming an ex-smoker is not having to deal with getting rid of cigarette butts or feeling guilty each time you drop one on the street in all secrecy.

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Heh heh…“welcome to dick club.”

Now imagine how much more unpleasant it is to one with asthma, contact lenses or a history of chronic bronchitis and similar respiratory ailments.

Fortunately, many smokers ARE polite and considerate. :thumbsup: