What a beautifully typical Republican generalization that is supported only by echoing another ignoramASS’ opinion. What basis do you have for believing the Left is glorifying the Iraqi insurgency? [/quote]
(cough cough)
so do the anti-war folk disapprove of the normandy invasion as well? lots of war and lots of death in that one.
did the anti-war side protest the vietnamese starting a war to drive out the french and american colonizers? massive war and death ensued.
uh oh, here come the qualifiers…
mofan, again the perfect example of the confused anti-war movement. you attack the other side, but have not articulated a single aim of the anti-war side.
so do the anti-war folk disapprove of the normandy invasion as well? lots of war and lots of death in that one.
did the anti-war side protest the vietnamese starting a war to drive out the french and American colonizers? massive war and death ensued.
uh oh, here come the qualifiers…[/quote]
typical righty, obfuscation over cogitation.
so do the anti-war folk disapprove of the normandy invasion as well? lots of war and lots of death in that one.
did the anti-war side protest the vietnamese starting a war to drive out the french and American colonizers? massive war and death ensued.
uh oh, here come the qualifiers…[/quote]
typical righty, obfuscation over cogitation.[/quote]
typical leftie. throw out some trite slogan worthy of a second grader and then refuse to defend your own statement when challenged.
seriously, “we’re against war and death” is your idea of cogitation??
[quote=“Flipper”]
seriously, “we’re against war and death” is your idea of cogitation??[/quote]
Yeah, it’s called kiss, keep it simple stupid.
The Michael Moore quote is not supporting the insurgents. It is a person’s opinion. Since when is expressing an opinion anti American. Since 911?
The anti-war kiddies were out in the street everyday when American was defending SouthEast Asia but as soon as the Khmer Rouge took over and started murdering millions, they went back to their coffee shops and shut up. As I remember, Joan Baez’s career took a sudden nosedive when she pointed this uncomfortable fact out to Jane Fonda and Co.
so do the anti-war folk disapprove of the normandy invasion as well? lots of war and lots of death in that one.[/quote]
We were attacked by the Japanese (Pearl Harbor, in case you have again decided to have selective memory) and then had the Germans declare war on us right afterwards. Perhaps “anti-war” also means being against those who make the choice to start up wars.
If a bunch of French or Vietnamese tried to occupy my beloved USA, they’d likely face a lot of war and death. What’s your point?
Not much of a qualifier – the basic rule is the same as most parents probably think they teach their kids: don’t hit other kids even if you’re mad at them. Go to the Bible and you’ll find the “thou shalt not kill” stuff. Nobody’s saying you can’t defend yourself, your people, your culture, or that you have to submit to being occupied by France. 
[quote=“Richardm”][quote=“Flipper”]
seriously, “we’re against war and death” is your idea of cogitation??[/quote]
Yeah, it’s called kiss, keep it simple stupid.
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so what’s your view of the vietnamese starting wars against the french and americans to drive them out?
perhaps you HAVE to keep it so simple because your cute little theory gets obliterated as soon as someone tries to apply to any significant event in world history.
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The Michael Moore quote is not supporting the insurgents. It is a person’s opinion. Since when is expressing an opinion anti American. Since 911?[/quote]
please. it is his opinion that they are not the enemy. he then compares them to the minutemen in american history.
they are not the enemy and they are comparable to figures in american history fighting for liberty and freedom. sure, no glorifying or supprt going on there. 
[quote=“mofangongren”]
We were attacked by the Japanese (Pearl Harbor, in case you have again decided to have selective memory) and then had the Germans declare war on us right afterwards. Perhaps “anti-war” also means being against those who make the choice to start up wars. [/quote]
The main reason the US didn’t enter the WWII earlier was because of the large pacifist/anti-war movement in the US. Both the Japanese and Germans misjudged the resolve of the US because the US had constantly signalled it would not fight.
“I fear we have done nothing but awaken a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve.” - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
so do the anti-war folk disapprove of the normandy invasion as well? lots of war and lots of death in that one.[/quote]
We were attacked by the Japanese (Pearl Harbor, in case you have again decided to have selective memory) and then had the Germans declare war on us right afterwards. Perhaps “anti-war” also means being against those who make the choice to start up wars.
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so you are only against “war and death” when someone else starts the war. if the war’s already started, then waging war and causing death is ok.
ok, another little footnote. you are only against “war and death” UNLESS you are starting a war and causing death for a rightious cause.
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Not much of a qualifier – the basic rule is the same as most parents probably think they teach their kids: don’t hit other kids even if you’re mad at them. Go to the Bible and you’ll find the “thou shalt not kill” stuff. Nobody’s saying you can’t defend yourself, your people, your culture, or that you have to submit to being occupied by France. [/quote]
in fact, many readings of the bible say that you SHOULDN’T defend yourself. what do you think “turn the other cheek” means?
so you just made 2 HUGE qualifiers to the original “we’re against war and death.”
you’re only against “war and death” unless you’re trying to win a war that someone else started or starting a war for a good cause.
any other qualifiers you want to add. somehow it’s not being kept so simple, now is it?
I think the anti-war people under discussion here are against the war in Iraq. Not WWII or Cambodia.
I don’t like US soldiers dying in order to make the people of Iraq free.
so you’re not against “war and death.” just against “war and death when it involves us soldiers in iraq”? that’s a might huge qualifier there.
[quote=“Comrade Stalin”][quote=“mofangongren”]
We were attacked by the Japanese (Pearl Harbor, in case you have again decided to have selective memory) and then had the Germans declare war on us right afterwards. Perhaps “anti-war” also means being against those who make the choice to start up wars. [/quote]
The main reason the US didn’t enter the WWII earlier was because of the large pacifist/anti-war movement in the US. Both the Japanese and Germans misjudged the resolve of the US because the US had constantly signalled it would not fight.[/quote]
I somewhat agree. Basically we had a mix of people who were isolationist, anti-war, pro-Nazi, and a bunch of other things. We also had Charles Lindbergh, Henry Ford, that radio guy (Father Coughlin?) and many others (German-American Bund) who thought the Nazis were pretty darn good. After the upheaval of the Depression, jumping into a war might have also weighed on people’s minds.
Still, though, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was based around a fatal bit of bad reasoning that sinking our fleet would remove our will to fight. Guess they didn’t know the American spirit very well… :s
I don’t like war and death. It you like it, maybe you should go and kill somebody.
[quote=“Richardm”]
I don’t like war and death. It you like it, maybe you should go and kill somebody.[/quote]
this is what passes for cogitation amongst the anti-war crowd? 
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Agreed. However, your flight of ecumenical fancy is notable by an exception. The contras were baddies, yes, but don’t forget the sandal-wearing leftist nitwits in the 1980s who pronounced the “g” in Nicaragua properly and resolutely refused to see the Sandinistas as the murderous totalitarians that they were.
And, by the way…since when is Moore making an idiotic comment news?
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Fred and Stalin, accept my humble apologies.[/quote]
I’d like a hot cup of cocoa and a piece of cake.
