ARC for me and my wife and criminal record check

This is the case:

I will start working in Taiwan in October. My wife will move to Taiwan with me. We both are Europeans (German/Norwegian). I have got a marriage certificate certified by a ROC official, my work permit and two resident Visas (for me and my wife). I thought everything was ready for ARC for both of us.

Now suddenly my employer in Taiwan says I need a criminal record for my wife. I thought this was only necessary for Taiwanese citizens? If both foreigners -> no criminal record. If one Taiwanese -> criminal record for the non-Taiwanese wife/husband. Can someone clarify this?

[quote=“stavang”]This is the case:

I will start working in Taiwan in October. My wife will move to Taiwan with me. We both are Europeans (German/Norwegian). I have got a marriage certificate certified by a ROC official, my work permit and two resident Visas (for me and my wife). I thought everything was ready for ARC for both of us.

Now suddenly my employer in Taiwan says I need a criminal record for my wife. I thought this was only necessary for Taiwanese citizens? If both foreigners → no criminal record. If one Taiwanese → criminal record for the non-Taiwanese wife/husband. Can someone clarify this?[/quote]You mean that your employer requires a criminal record CHECK on your wife, right? Not that she needs to have a criminal record!

Employers don’t need to see criminal record checks unless it is part of a stipulated hiring process. I’ve applied for jobs in the US where a criminal record check was required for me, but not required for my wife as she wasn’t being employed there.

In Taiwan, it’s the NIA that requires criminal record checks for the following.

  1. A foreigner is applying for a JFRV. (marriage to a Taiwan national).
  2. A foreigner is applying for an APRC. (permanent residency)
  3. A foreigner is applying for naturalization.

So far, the NIA doesn’t require a criminal record check to get a work-permit and the employment based ARC.

I would regard this as highly irregular and a bit suspicious if YOUR employer is requiring a criminal record check on your wife. She’s not being employed by the company you are working for, right? Are you working in a top-secret / national security /military / contracting company that requires a criminal background check on you and your dependents?

[quote=“Northcoast Surfer”][quote=“stavang”]This is the case:

I will start working in Taiwan in October. My wife will move to Taiwan with me. We both are Europeans (German/Norwegian). I have got a marriage certificate certified by a ROC official, my work permit and two resident Visas (for me and my wife). I thought everything was ready for ARC for both of us.

Now suddenly my employer in Taiwan says I need a criminal record for my wife. I thought this was only necessary for Taiwanese citizens? If both foreigners → no criminal record. If one Taiwanese → criminal record for the non-Taiwanese wife/husband. Can someone clarify this?[/quote]You mean that your employer requires a criminal record CHECK on your wife, right? Not that she needs to have a criminal record!

Employers don’t need to see criminal record checks unless it is part of a stipulated hiring process. I’ve applied for jobs in the US where a criminal record check was required for me, but not required for my wife as she wasn’t being employed there.

In Taiwan, it’s the NIA that requires criminal record checks for the following.

  1. A foreigner is applying for a JFRV. (marriage to a Taiwan national).
  2. A foreigner is applying for an APRC. (permanent residency)
  3. A foreigner is applying for naturalization.

So far, the NIA doesn’t require a criminal record check to get a work-permit and the employment based ARC.

I would regard this as highly irregular and a bit suspicious if YOUR employer is requiring a criminal record check on your wife. She’s not being employed by the company you are working for, right? Are you working in a top-secret / national security /military / contracting company that requires a criminal background check on you and your dependents?[/quote]
Haha, that was pretty incoherent from me. What I really meant:

My employer told me that my wife needs to bring a criminal record check for her ARC application, because she is not working in Taiwan, but “joining family”. I thought that the “criminal record” rule only applied if I was a Taiwanese citizen. I know that I don’t need any “criminal record check” for my ARC, but I also thought my wife did not need one neither.

[quote=“stavang”][quote=“Northcoast Surfer”][quote=“stavang”]This is the case:

I will start working in Taiwan in October. My wife will move to Taiwan with me. We both are Europeans (German/Norwegian). I have got a marriage certificate certified by a ROC official, my work permit and two resident Visas (for me and my wife). I thought everything was ready for ARC for both of us.

Now suddenly my employer in Taiwan says I need a criminal record for my wife. I thought this was only necessary for Taiwanese citizens? If both foreigners → no criminal record. If one Taiwanese → criminal record for the non-Taiwanese wife/husband. Can someone clarify this?[/quote]You mean that your employer requires a criminal record CHECK on your wife, right? Not that she needs to have a criminal record!

Employers don’t need to see criminal record checks unless it is part of a stipulated hiring process. I’ve applied for jobs in the US where a criminal record check was required for me, but not required for my wife as she wasn’t being employed there.

In Taiwan, it’s the NIA that requires criminal record checks for the following.

  1. A foreigner is applying for a JFRV. (marriage to a Taiwan national).
  2. A foreigner is applying for an APRC. (permanent residency)
  3. A foreigner is applying for naturalization.

So far, the NIA doesn’t require a criminal record check to get a work-permit and the employment based ARC.

I would regard this as highly irregular and a bit suspicious if YOUR employer is requiring a criminal record check on your wife. She’s not being employed by the company you are working for, right? Are you working in a top-secret / national security /military / contracting company that requires a criminal background check on you and your dependents?[/quote]
Haha, that was pretty incoherent from me. What I really meant:

My employer told me that my wife needs to bring a criminal record check for her ARC application, because she is not working in Taiwan, but “joining family”. I thought that the “criminal record” rule only applied if I was a Taiwanese citizen. I know that I don’t need any “criminal record check” for my ARC, but I also thought my wife did not need one neither.[/quote]Oh…yeah…your wife is going to get her ARC through you via the JFRV. Then it would be the NIA that requires the criminal record check for your wife in order to give her the JFRV. I would recommend calling the NIA or better yet, going to the NIA and asking them about this to make sure it’s required for you. Make sure you stipulate that you both are foreigners and that your wife’s ARC will be sponsored by you via your employment based ARC. It seems kind of strange that your wife would need the criminal background check for the JFRV. I understand why the spouse of a Taiwanese would need one as they are probably going to become a long term resident or a permanent resident and it’s reasonable to require the criminal background check for these reasons. But for you, you’re just a foreign worker who wants to bring his wife along for the temporary job and will most likely return to your home country after your job is finished.

Here’s something that’s really stupid. You can be a raging criminal pedophile, but get an employment based ARC and live in Taiwan for years and have access to loads of children as an English teacher without requiring a criminal background check. But, you can’t be the wife of that same criminal with a clean background and get the JFRV and live in Taiwan without first getting the criminal record check.

Here is Taiwan! :loco:

I followed your advice and called NIA directly. Looks like it was all a misunderstanding, and my wife does not need a criminal record check from Germany. Thank heaven! :pray:

Thanks for your help Northcoast Surfer! :slight_smile:

Yes, my first assumption would have been that the employer was just not quite sure/confused about what actually was required. Taiwanese seem to sometimes recommend something that is probably necessary or possibly not necessary just to make sure everything goes smoothly.

ie Various places say you can convert from a visitors visa to a student ARC, when to be technically correct, you cant convert from an australian 30 day landing/tourist visa, but you can convert from a 30 day visitor visa arranged before you travel.

[quote=“stavang”]I followed your advice and called NIA directly. Looks like it was all a misunderstanding, and my wife does not need a criminal record check from Germany. Thank heaven! :pray:

Thanks for your help Northcoast Surfer! :slight_smile:[/quote]You’re very welcome. And thank you for calling the NIA and finding out the straight scoop. I’ll write that down in my notes for future issues if they come up.

note to self: The spouse of a foreign worker with an employment based ARC does not need to obtain a criminal background check from their home country in order to get the JFRV ARC, if the spouse already has a resident visa.

[quote=“Northcoast Surfer”]
note to self: The spouse of a foreign worker with an employment based ARC does not need to obtain a criminal background check from their home country in order to get the JFRV ARC, if the spouse already has a resident visa.[/quote]
Fixed it for ya! If the spouse arrives with a visitor visa and changes it to a resident visa, then a criminal background check is required, but I believe in this case they mean from Taiwan, and not the home country.

Today I got the ARC for me and my wife, wohooo! I was a bit concerned that they would not get multiple entry, but no worries there :slight_smile:

So, I landed in Taiwan on 5. October and my employer helped me to apply for ARC right away. I had all the papers ready, even an international marriage certificate (not in chinese though), certified by a Taiwan official in their office in Munich/Germany. My employer told me that they need to translate the marriage certificate in Chinese, but luckily that was not the case (probably because it was already certified). The officials were quite confused when they discovered that I and my wife had different nationalities, and a small discussion between the officials was started because of this. I was not sure if I should be amused or distressed. They decided that it is was ok :unamused: . Of course our photos made for our VISA (following the standard for German biometric passports) were not good enough for the ARC, because the background was gray and not white. So we visited the photo box (or what its called in English) right across the street, took some pictures, and voila, the NIA were instantly gratified.

All in all, it was a relatively painless process, but I am so glad that I was accompanied by a Taiwanese from my company. Today I am opening a bank account, wish me luck!

[quote=“stavang”]Today I got the ARC for me and my wife, wohooo! I was a bit concerned that they would not get multiple entry, but no worries there :slight_smile:

So, I landed in Taiwan on 5. October and my employer helped me to apply for ARC right away. I had all the papers ready, even an international marriage certificate (not in Chinese though), certified by a Taiwan official in their office in Munich/Germany. My employer told me that they need to translate the marriage certificate in Chinese, but luckily that was not the case (probably because it was already certified). The officials were quite confused when they discovered that I and my wife had different nationalities, and a small discussion between the officials was started because of this. I was not sure if I should be amused or distressed. They decided that it is was ok :unamused: . Of course our photos made for our VISA (following the standard for German biometric passports) were not good enough for the ARC, because the background was gray and not white. So we visited the photo box (or what its called in English) right across the street, took some pictures, and voila, the NIA were instantly gratified.

All in all, it was a relatively painless process, but I am so glad that I was accompanied by a Taiwanese from my company. Today I am opening a bank account, wish me luck![/quote]

I wouldnt see why you being married to another national would bother them, there are many expats here married to citzens of other countries. It’s a pretty quick process here compared to other countries when you have all the necessary documents.

Welcome to my island.

Thank you! I like your island so far, even though I have only experienced Taipei .

HI, I have read some of the thread, and was hoping someone could just clarify some things for me.
I am a South African who is married to an Argentine. we will soon be coming into Taiwan upon which I will have an ARC/health insurance through work. I have heard that she and my son will get ARC and Health insurance through me… Is this correct?
Also, Which documents are needed? We have our marriage certificate and his birth certificate legalized and translated into English so far.

I would appreciate any help, or clarity, since I have heard various stories, and want to see if there is someone who has already had to do this.
have a great day.

[quote=“Adfam”]HI, I have read some of the thread, and was hoping someone could just clarify some things for me.
I am a South African who is married to an Argentine. we will soon be coming into Taiwan upon which I will have an ARC/health insurance through work. I have heard that she and my son will get ARC and Health insurance through me… Is this correct?[/quote]
Yes this is correct. Your son and your wife will be insured through you, after staying in Taiwan for 4 months continuously without anyone of you leaving (yes, it includes the whole family) the country in this 4 month period. After the 4 months, your wife and son can enroll into NHI. If any of you leave the country even for one day, the 4 month counter will be reset to day 0 when you return.

[quote=“Adfam”]
Also, Which documents are needed? We have our marriage certificate and his birth certificate legalized and translated into English so far.

I would appreciate any help, or clarity, since I have heard various stories, and want to see if there is someone who has already had to do this.
have a great day.[/quote]
First you need to get an ARC for all of you. I am not sure what you need for your son, but for your wife a marriage certificate is needed. My employer told me that the marriage certificate needed to be in chinese, but I already had it certified by a Taiwanese official in Germany so it was probably ok in English then.

Hi,
Thanks for the info. So, just to make sure I understood you correctly. Only I need to get the ARC for the three of us (even though their visas are valid for 2 months), then we just need to stay in the country for 4 months? I suppose they wouldn’t be covered by health insurance for those first 4 months then… right? Is there any way around that, or only paying?
Secondly, what did you tell the official in Germany for him/her to certify it? or did you already have an ARC? As far as I understand, we have to provide a letter stating why we want it certified, and since I don’t have an ARC yet, I am not sure how to approach the situation.

[quote=“Adfam”]Hi,
Thanks for the info. So, just to make sure I understood you correctly. Only I need to get the ARC for the three of us (even though their visas are valid for 2 months), then we just need to stay in the country for 4 months? I suppose they wouldn’t be covered by health insurance for those first 4 months then… right? Is there any way around that, or only paying?
Secondly, what did you tell the official in Germany for him/her to certify it? or did you already have an ARC? As far as I understand, we have to provide a letter stating why we want it certified, and since I don’t have an ARC yet, I am not sure how to approach the situation.[/quote]
Lets begin with the marriage certificate. I first got an international marriage certificate from the appropriate German office. I then went to the German governmental office and told the officials I needed it legislated for my Visa in Taiwan.
Then I and my wife went to the Taiwanese representative office in Germany and brought with me my work permit, my employment contract and the legislated marriage certificate. We said we needed a resident visa for me (through my work permit) and my wife (through marriage). She explained we needed to get our marriage certificate approved by their Taiwanese official. We both filled out applications for resident visa, gave the work permit, a copy of my employment contract, the marriage certificate and our passports. We went home and after a couple of days we got our passports in the mail with the resident visas. The marriage certificate approved by the Taiwanese official + my work permit arrived a week later. We were also told to apply for ARC within 15 days of our arrival in Taiwan.

So, on our first day in Taiwan we brought with us our resident visas, our marriage certificate (with the Taiwanese approval stamp) and my work permit. We both filled out applications for ARC, and gave a copy of our marriage certificate and work permit. The ARCs were ready in 15 days.

So, you now already have visitor visas(?), so I’m not sure what the procedure for you is. You somehow need to convert them to resident visas, and then together with your marriage certificate and your work permit you can apply for ARCs.

Edit:
Your family would not be insured the first 4 months in Taiwan, so you need to take care of that yourself through a private insurance company. Check with your local insurance companies for a 4-5 month traveling insurance.