As a Taiwanese girl

I’ve seen lots of Taiwanese women in the pub let some guys get fresh on them just like that. You don’t have to be cute,just speak English to them. I was in Carnegie’s one night and me and my friends saw a hot Taiwanese girl dancing really close to an old man who can just be her grandfather. The grandfather was so excited that i thought he’ll get his heart attackt…and one of a girl I know told me that she at least sleeps with 20 different guys so far.( maybe one of you guys here… :shock: ) As a Taiwanese girl,I feel really,really sad for her. I don’t know,everytime I heard people say stuff like " Taiwanese girls are hot" or " Taiwanese girls are easy" I feel bad. Maybe it’s true you know? Maybe they want to act like that themselves? Maybe they enjoy acting like that? :unamused:

It’s not a Taiwanese girl thing, it’s a “global” modern girl thing. Sad.

The girl is trying to get a reaction from you. Perhaps she feels a little regret, but seeing you react will make her feel better. And nothing is going to let her get her virginity back from those 20 some guys.

Shocking as it may seem, sleeping with at least 20 guys at a college age, that’s not so many guys. Surely there are girls in America and Europe who aim to keep it until marriage, but the vast majority of girls are sleeping with multiple sex partners beginning in their teens. And now with Viagra, perhaps this tendency is now extending from teenage years to the retirement homes.

It looks like I’ll have to have a little talk with that young lady.

I agree, 20 isn’t so many. (Wait a minute, how old is the girl?)

My impression is, Taiwanese young people have less of a tradition of dating and relationships. Even college students may be awkward around the opposite sex.

Where Western young people would ease themselves slowly into sexual relationships (ahhhhhh!) starting from the early teens, because we have a culture which encourages this, Taiwanese are more likely to wait longer, but then just take the plunge and hump somebody they met through the internet. And then another somebody, and another. According to their cultural norms, it’s actually less scandalous to do this then to have a steady boyfriend that other people know about, perhaps because the other might interfere with studying or the faking of virginity.

Another aspect is awareness of how the opposite sex thinks, and here the Taiwanese are at quite a disadvantage given their segregated schooling and less experience with traditional dating. This is one of the things that makes internet trysts easier for Taiwanese, and picking up Taiwanese women easier for Westerners.

I also agree that this is a global phenomenon. Even Iran has been experiencing this, believe it or not. Hmmm, perhaps President Bush will name me the czar against the War on Sluttitude or something…

[quote=“Screaming Jesus”]I agree, 20 isn’t so many. (Wait a minute, how old is the girl?)
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She’s 25…is that bad?

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Where Western young people would ease themselves slowly into sexual relationships (ahhhhhh!) starting from the early teens, because we have a culture which encourages this, Taiwanese are more likely to wait longer, but then just take the plunge and hump somebody they met through the internet. And then another somebody, and another. According to their cultural norms, it’s actually less scandalous to do this then to have a steady boyfriend that other people know about, perhaps because the other might interfere with studying or the faking of virginity.
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You know, Taiwanese are shy in some way,it’s the culture thing. I don’t know if it’s true that i’ve seen this on tv: in some western countries,the parents will talk about sex with their teenager kids,or even give their sons condons. But here in Taiwan,i’ve never seen any parents as open as some western parents. Take myself for example,my parents are very open in many ways but when it comes to sex,they are as quiet as rabbits… :laughing: Only 2 of my aunts are open enough to talk about it with me so i won’t feel that i am doing something “dirty”… sign… if i ever have my own kids someday,i’ll educate them once they’re old enough to understand :smiley:

What is “bad”? How could anyone decide? (Religious fanatics excepted)

Let’s see…20 lovers at 25 translates at about 2 or 3 a year…or would that be 10 a year for 2 years? Anyway, I think the key question would be whether your friend feels reasonably happy about her relationships and the overall direction of her life.

I’m shy too, but as an American male, I was taught from very early on that I would simply have to overcome my shyness if I ever hoped to get anywhere with the girls. So I (and millions of others just like me) did our best to muster up our courage.

My parents did NOT talk to me about sex. Perhaps some other families did it that way, but I think it’s probably more common for us to get information from our friends, or (for the brighter kids) books or the internet (which we didn’t have back then).

That’s something interesting I’ve noticed–young Taiwanese women are more reluctant to discuss their love life with their female friends or sisters, whereas Western women will happily chat away like the girls on “Sex In the City”.

The younger generation of Westerners seems a lot more jaded than mine. Nowadays one reads about oral sex contests in junior high school, and parties in which people hump one another without taking names. I wonder where all this will lead–it can’t be sustainable over more than one or two generations…?

Simultaneously, and probably not coincidentally, the media seems to have liberalized its presentation of sexuality at approximately the same rate.

At the risk of being accused of sexism, I personally think that 20 guys is a lot of men for a 25 year old woman to have had sex with. As I read your post, I tried to think of a reason why a “hot Taiwanese girl” would want to be dancing with a man old enough to be her “grandfather.” I simply have no idea unless she likes the attention it gets her from the man, or perhaps she even gets some finanacial gain from it. (It would sure not be unheard of happening).
Anyway, I can’t imagine that the 20 men woman is going to have much success finding a husband among the local Taiwanese guys (most of whom strike me as being very conservative when it comes to picking a wife). I also think she is not going to have much luck among foreign guys either, unless she keeps her past to herself. (Honestly, how many guys here in Forumosa would be willing to accept a girl who had slept with 20 other guys? A few ok but she’s quickly approaching the 2 dozen mark).
I think a far bigger issue is the one of disease, such as herpes or AIDS. It seems like the woman is not being too picky when it comes to partners which is a sure way to bring home more than just a few “happy” memories when the guys ultimately leave her.
Peace to all.

Since when does dancing = having sex?

Yeah, yeah, I know, “a vertical expression of a horizontal desire…”

I can think of at least one good reason why a young Taiwanese woman would dance with a man old enough to be her father. Maybe she just likes to dance. Did that ever occur to you? Sheesh, this is one aspect of this tradition-minded (=close-minded) society I can’t deal with. Sexually repressed people always leap to the dirtiest of conclusions, when in fact it’s all just innocent fun. You can’t even have a girl over at your apartment to just to hang out (nothing else), as is perfectly normal everywhere else in the civilized world, without dirty-minded Taiwanese busybody gossips spreading it all over town that you invited a whore over to your place.

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Message: Men and women can get together to dance or talk or share a few beers without anything sexual being involved.

It’s pathetic that maybe all she wants was just a man who loves her and cares for her but somehow she lost herself. Yeah,perhaps it won’t be easy for her to find her MR. right :?

You guys are too much. I’m sure a lot of you sleep around (boys will be boys, right?), yet are quick to judge a college age woman that has slept with 20 guys. If she were a guy, it wouldn’t even be open for discussion. So can we drop it?

Or maybe she just likes fucking. People do, you know. I would say “you go, girl!” but I’d feel more comfortable with “gang yersel, hen!”

I’ve heard Taiwanese guys laughing about the 40 year old virgins at their work. Are those “girls” ever going to find the husband they saved it for?

Why on earth should any difference in age between a couple (whether just dancing or sleeping together or whatever) justify raised eyebrows from others or carry any negative connotations? Why shouldn’t a girl choose to be with a charming, mature, experienced, distinguished older man any less than with a dull, callow and unwordly fellow of her own age? There are many men in their 40s, 50s or even older who are in excellent physical shape, undeniably handsome and sexy, and able to please any woman, however young, in all manner of ways far better than most men half their age or younger. Well done the smart girl who is able to appreciate that and not let the mindless prejudice of ageism deter her from enjoying the superior pleasures of his company.

Why on earth should any difference in age between a couple (whether just dancing or sleeping together or whatever) justify raised eyebrows from others or carry any negative connotations? Why shouldn’t a girl choose to be with a charming, mature, experienced, distinguished older man any less than with a dull, callow and unwordly fellow of her own age? There are many men in their 40s, 50s or even older who are in excellent physical shape, undeniably handsome and sexy, and able to please any woman, however young, in all manner of ways far better than most men half their age or younger. Well done the smart girl who is able to appreciate that and not let the mindless prejudice of ageism deter her from enjoying the superior pleasures of his company.[/quote]

I assume you also like dating charming, mature, experienced women your own age instead of hot-looking, shallow, unworldly chicks in their 20s, right Omniloquacious? :really:

Sorry, bzzzzt, wrong answer. If it were a guy, I’d have the same (negative) sentiments. And I’m not even a religious wacko; I just think it’s unhealthy, both emotionally and physically.

Jacana, I have to wonder if you’re a troll – here you’re talking about a slut, in another thread you’re talking about an abusive ex-boyfriend, and then there’s your “Are Taiwanese Pussy?” thread.

However, to further the interests of intercultural understanding :unamused: , Western society isn’t nearly as monolithic as people seem to be writing about.

In the 50±year-olds, women having more than a half-dozen sexual partners, lifetime, is unusual despite the “sexual revolution” starting when they were in college.
In the 30-50 range, they’re averaging an anticipated dozen or so, lifetime.
In the 25-and-under crowd, a lot of them don’t even consider “oral sex” to be “real” sex and some of these girls have had dozens of partners (if you count the “not real sex” oral sex).

One 22-year-old I met talked about how she “specialized in virgins” to lower her risk of getting an STD. She’d had nearly a hundred, basically seducing every guy she could in her high school (a large one in NYC). I guess as she gets older she’s going to have a harder time unless she becomes a schoolteacher.

That’s not to say there isn’t a counterculture as well. There are plenty of “I’m going to be a virgin until I marry” types, and lots of girls who have steady boyfriends.

It’s worse elsewhere. It is common for Russian women in their 20’s to have had multiple abortions, and the HIV epidemic there is set to explode, just as it is in some Asian countries. Sexual permissiveness and nonexistent education about sexual issues is leading to a train wreck.

Then there’s this article about Saudi Arabia, which I take with more than a grain of salt:
news.independent.co.uk/world/mid … ory=493196

[quote=“mod lang”]Since when does dancing = having sex?

Yeah, yeah, I know, “a vertical expression of a horizontal desire…”

I can think of at least one good reason why a young Taiwanese woman would dance with a man old enough to be her father. Maybe she just likes to dance. Did that ever occur to you? Sheesh, this is one aspect of this tradition-minded (=close-minded) society I can’t deal with. Sexually repressed people always leap to the dirtiest of conclusions, when in fact it’s all just innocent fun. You can’t even have a girl over at your apartment to just to hang out (nothing else), as is perfectly normal everywhere else in the civilized world, without dirty-minded Taiwanese busybody gossips spreading it all over town that you invited a whore over to your place.

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Message: Men and women can get together to dance or talk or share a few beers without anything sexual being involved.[/quote]

Mod Lang,

Actually, I think you may be right that the girl just likes to dance and I may have jumped to the wrong conclusions becuase in the same post there was mention of a woman sleeping with 20 guys.
However, you are simply guessing when you wrote that “it’s all just innocent fun.” Since we weren’t there, we don’t know for certain but,again, I think you may be actually right. However, based on my own experience in clubs, albeit not as many times as probably many others, I still don’t know why a “hot Taiwanese girl” would be dancing with someone old enough to be her grandfather. In my experience, hot young women like hot young guys when they are out having a good time in clubs. I would think that most grandfather types “need not apply.” However, again I could be simply jumping to conclusions.
BTW, I may be, as you said, a “sexually-repressed” person but I am not Taiwanese. Nope. I am a “sexually-repressed” American.
:cry: :cry: Peace to all

I don’t think Taiwanese girls are necessarily “easy”, but bars are a pretty good place to find girls that are. As far as promiscuity goes everyone has to set their own standards. Standards are changing. I went out with a girl in my own country who was about ten years younger than me at the time (I was 32, you do the math) and so was feeling pretty pleased with myself. I was surprised to discover though, that she had had more sexual partners than I had. It wasn’t a big deal to me, I was just a bit surprised.

WeiLong,

I 100% agree with you that “As far as promiscuity goes everyone has to set their own standards.” For some people, they may not be willing to accept their potential wife having had even 1 sexual encounter whereas someone else may not mind having a wife who has had so many partners she has lost count.
Still, I think for most guys, there will certainly be a limit as to the number of sexual partners they are willing to accept their future wife as having had. Thus, in Taiwan, I would bet that the number would be much lower than in states or europe. So, the woman with 20 partners, I still believe, has actually ruined her chances of finding a husband here and I don’t think many western guys are going to see her as a potential wife either. That may not be fair but I think it is a reality.
Peace to all