# Bad news about getting an APRC for dependents **URL:** \ **Category:** Visa & Residency\ **Created:** [August 13, 2019, 5:59am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705 "2019-08-13T05:59:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SunWuKong](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/sunwukong/32/125743_2.png) [@SunWuKong](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/SunWuKong)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 5:59am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/1 "2019-08-13T05:59:29Z")
I’m getting close to qualifying for an APRC, and the goal was to have my wife apply right after I got it so she could work as well. That seemed to be all well and good according to the law: [https://www.immigration.gov.tw/5475/5478/141465/141808/152932/](https://www.immigration.gov.tw/5475/5478/141465/141808/152932/) According to 4(5): > [@](#): > > (5）After a foreign professional hired to conduct professional work has been approved for permanent residence, h spouse and minor children, and children over twenty years old who are unable to live independently due to physical or mental disability, and have resided in the State legally and continuously for five years, have stayed in the State for more than 183 days in each of those years, and have behaved properly in compliance with the national interests, may apply for permanent residency. Today, when I went to the NIA office, I was told that my wife would NOT be able to apply for an APRC soon after me. It’s not clear from the English text, but I was told by three people (one was referred to as the APRC officer, and who was very nice) that the law meant that after I got my APRC, my wife would have to wait an additional 5 years to get hers. She has already been in the country for 4 years, so that means another 6 year wait. The only remedy seems to be if she has funds or property amounting to 5 million NT, an impossible amount for us, or to have an income, but she can’t work because she’s my dependent. I can’t find the Chinese text so maybe someone who reads Chinese well can compare them, but it seems quite sure she will not be able to get her APRC. Unfortunately, that’s likely the only way she could work. She’s from a country where English is a national language, but she only has an associates degree. She doesn’t have any other skills or experience that would allow her to work here. The previous paragraph states: > [@](#): > > （4）Where a foreign skilled professional applies for permanent residency under the provisions of Article 25 Paragraph 3 Subparagraph 2 of the Immigration Act, said person’s spouse and minor children, and children over twenty years old who are unable to live independently due to physical or mental disability, may apply for permanent residency with said person. But as @tando says below, that refers to to someone who can apply for a plum blossom card, and that’s not me. The only other possibility I see is for her to go back to school, but, other than MBA programs, I can’t find any universities in commuting distance with an all-English program. We don’t have the money for that anyway, or for Chinese classes. There’s some hope for a scholarship, but this really isn’t the point we wanted to be at now. Am I missing anything? She really just wants to stop being dependent and to help her family and she doesn’t want to work illegally, so we’re pretty devastated right now. I don’t see a lot of other options. NIA today pretty much shot down everything but having 5 million NT. I’ve been planning to stay here long term, but now I want to go. There’s just no place for us to go unless we want to be apart for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![tando](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tando](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tando)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 9:04am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/2 "2019-08-13T09:04:43Z")
Is it the one in the instruction for the APRC application on NIA site? > （4）Where a **foreign skilled professional** applies for permanent residency under the provisions of Article 25 Paragraph 3 Subparagraph 2 of the Immigration Act, … I think it means a foreign senior professional, who can apply for a plum blossom card. Articles 4 and 15 of [Act for the Recruitment and Employment of Foreign Professionals](https://law.moj.gov.tw/ENG/LawClass/LawAll.aspx?pcode=A0030295) mention on application for permanent residency under the provisions of Article 25 Paragraph 3 Subparagraph 2 of the Immigration Act. Usual English editors may be foreign professionals. ---
**Author:** ![SunWuKong](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/sunwukong/32/125743_2.png) [@SunWuKong](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/SunWuKong)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 11:35am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/3 "2019-08-13T11:35:53Z")
> [@tando](#): > > I think it means a foreign senior professional, who can apply for a plum blossom card. You’re right. I updated the first post with everything I’ve learned since. ---
**Author:** ![izzy](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/c2a13f/32.png) [@izzy](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/izzy)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 11:50am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/4 "2019-08-13T11:50:25Z")
That’s terrible, in a similar situation to you, was hoping my wife will get aprc with me. For me the children issue is also pressing, wouldn’t want to leave in a few years when they are no longer minors but can’t get a visa. ---
**Author:** ![SuperS54](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/supers54/32/137985_2.png) [@SuperS54](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/SuperS54)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 12:31pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/5 "2019-08-13T12:31:26Z")
O.T. yes ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Jack](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/charlie_jack/32/246096_2.png) [@Charlie\_Jack](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Charlie_Jack)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 12:42pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/6 "2019-08-13T12:42:25Z")
> [@SunWuKong](#): > > She’s from a country where English is a national language, but she only has an associates degree. I’m not sure that your wife’s credentials disqualify her from teaching English in a cram school, provided she has or can get a TEFL certificate some kind (I think they have a rule against an online TEFL certificate, but I’m not sure. Please see [this](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/8) post further down in this thread). Here’s a link to a post that @tempogain wrote on the subject of two-year degrees (which is part of a thread on that subject): > [@Qualifications!? (2-year advanced diploma + TEFL)](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/qualifications-2-year-advanced-diploma-tefl/73853/2): > > I’ve never seen a definitive answer to this question, but a 2-year degree and a TEFL certificate have been accepted in the past. You might try inquiring with the local education bureau where you intend to work (though it may be an exercise in futility) More info here: Here’s a link to a post that @tempogain wrote about the official language requirement: > [@Teach English w/o a passport from 1 of 'the 7 countries'?](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/teach-english-w-o-a-passport-from-1-of-the-7-countries/2886/349): > > Okay finally got around to making that call to the Buxiban Association. It was an eye-opener. I explained the question to him, and he said “The answer is simple.” He went on to explain how it depended on whether the language to be taught was an official language of the country. We specifically discussed Malaysia–impossible according to him–Singapore–okay–and the Philippines–okay. That squares with what is shown here: [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_co … l\_language](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_where_English_is_an_official_language) He mentioned that many would fa… This appears to be an English translation of the pertinent law or regulation: > [@](#): > > Article 42 > > Foreigners to be employed as foreign language teachers as specified in Article 46.1.4 in the Act shall have the following qualifications, and their weekly working hours in teaching-related work shall be no less than 14 (fourteen) hours: > > 1. Be 20 (twenty) years old or above. > 2. Be graduated from colleges or above. > 3. The language to be taught by the foreign teacher is the official language used in the country specified in the passport of the teacher. > The foreigners mentioned in the preceding Paragraph shall have qualification certificates for language teaching if they have not obtained bachelor‘s degrees. > When the foreigners mentioned in Paragraph 1 are hired by 2 (two) and more employers within the valid periods of their Employment Permits according to Article 53.1 of the Act, their weekly working hours in teaching-related work for each of the employers shall not be less than 6 (six) hours. > For the foreigners mentioned in Paragraph 1 and the preceding Paragraph, their total weekly working hours in teaching-related work shall not exceed 32 (thirty-two) hours. This is the URL of the English translation: > **[Qualifications and Criteria Standards for Foreigners Undertaking the Jobs...](https://law.moj.gov.tw/ENG/LawClass/LawSearchContent.aspx?pcode=N0090031&norge=42)** This is the Chinese version of the above: > [@](#): > > [第 42 條](https://law.moj.gov.tw/LawClass/LawSingle.aspx?pcode=N0090031&flno=42) > > 外國人受聘僱從事本法第四十六條第一項第四款規定之外國語文教師之工 > 作，每週從事教學相關工作時數不得少於十四小時，且應具備下列資格： > 一、年滿二十歲。 > 二、 **大專** 以上學校畢業。 > 三、教授之語文課程為該外籍教師護照國籍之官方語言。 > 前項外國人未取得學士學位者，另應具有語文師資訓練合格證書。 > 第一項外國人於聘僱許可有效期間內，依本法第五十三條第一項規定受聘 > 僱於二以上之雇主時，其於每一新雇主每週從事教學相關工作時數不得少 > 於六小時。 > 第一項及前項外國人每週從事教學相關工作總時數不得超過三十二小時。 (boldface added by me) This is the URL of the Chinese version: > **[外國人從事就業服務法第四十六條第一項第一款至第六款工作資格及審查標準 條號查詢結果-全國法規資料庫](https://law.moj.gov.tw/LawClass/LawSearchContent.aspx?pcode=N0090031&norge=42)** > > 歡迎使用全國法規資料庫網站，本網站提供各界經由網際網路單一窗口簡單、方便、公開查詢法規資料及各機關法規網站，以達有效管理及公開法令資訊，建構法治社會之目標。 This is more or less something I wrote a while back: The Chinese version of “Qualifications and Criteria Standards” uses the phrase “大專以上學校畢業” (“dàzhuān yǐshàng xuéxiào bìyè”), which I think means something like “be graduated from junior colleges or above.” About the word 大專, [cdict.net](http://cdict.net/) says: > [@](#): > > three-year college > junior college > professional training college [cdict.net/?q=%E5%A4%A7%E5%B0%88](http://cdict.net/?q=%E5%A4%A7%E5%B0%88) Yahoo Kimo (奇摩) Dictionary’s first definition of 大專 is: > [@](#): > > a junior college Yahoo’s dictionary also says “junior college” as well as [cdict.net](http://cdict.net)’s “three year college.” [tw.dictionary.yahoo.com/diction … 7%E5%B0%88](https://tw.dictionary.yahoo.com/dictionary?p=%E5%A4%A7%E5%B0%88) Dr.eye’s website translates 大專 as: > [@](#): > > a junior college [yun.dreye.com/dict\_new/dict.php? … winfotab=1](http://yun.dreye.com/dict_new/dict.php?w=%E5%A4%A7%E5%B0%88&hidden_codepage=03&record_showinfotab=1) ---
**Author:** ![tempogain](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/tempogain/32/264650_2.png) [@tempogain](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tempogain)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 12:54pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/7 "2019-08-13T12:54:48Z")
Right, so if you have graduated from a college, but don’t have a bachelor’s degree, that is, you have an associate’s degree, you can still teach if you have a “qualification certificate for language teaching”. They don’t like online certification for that if I remember right. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Jack](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/charlie_jack/32/246096_2.png) [@Charlie\_Jack](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Charlie_Jack)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 12:57pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/8 "2019-08-13T12:57:36Z")
> [@tempogain](#): > > if you have a “qualification certificate for language teaching”. They don’t like online certification for that if I remember right. Yeah, I either forgot about that, or more likely, “wishfully-thought” ShaoLeFen’s post said that his wife had one. I’ve just checked, and he didn’t mention it, so I sneaked a mention of the certificate into my earlier post. I wonder if she could easily get one from her home country. Edited to add: I can’t vouch for the information below, but I thought I’d add it in case it might help (but I hope it does no harm): > [@Work permit with online TEFL certification?](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/work-permit-with-online-tefl-certification/66460/20): > > > [@Work permit with online TEFL certification?](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/work-permit-with-online-tefl-certification/66460/19): > > > > I have had no trouble with a crappy online TEFL. > > Do you have a uni degree? > [@Work permit with online TEFL certification?](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/work-permit-with-online-tefl-certification/66460/21): > > Associate Degree. > [@Work permit with online TEFL certification?](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/work-permit-with-online-tefl-certification/66460/27): > > > [@Work permit with online TEFL certification?](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/work-permit-with-online-tefl-certification/66460/26): > > > > The official position is that online/distance education is not recognized. > > I’m pretty sure that only applies to degrees, not TEFL certificates. > [@Work permit with online TEFL certification?](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/work-permit-with-online-tefl-certification/66460/28): > > I know of a lot more than one person who have applied for an ARC with an online TEFL certificate. It is almost impossible to confirm if the certificate was done online or nnot. The MOE doesn’t accept online degrees for positions in public schools or universities but other than that it is one huge gray area. ---
**Author:** ![Noel](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/noel/32/75202_2.png) [@Noel](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Noel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 1:13pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/9 "2019-08-13T13:13:53Z")
This sucks overall. I feel for you guys in that I read the law exactly the same as you - that spouses could apply at the same time. This needs to be 100% clarified. Is it foreign Special Professional, or Foreign Senior Professional? It would be worth figuring out what applies to the spouses of both. On a side note, what is with the 5 Million NT$ ? ---
**Author:** ![tando](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tando](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tando)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 1:26pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/10 "2019-08-13T13:26:20Z")
> [@Noel](#): > > Is it foreign Special Professional, or Foreign Senior Professional? dependants of a foreign senior professional can apply for APRC at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Noel](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/noel/32/75202_2.png) [@Noel](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Noel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 1:35pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/11 "2019-08-13T13:35:08Z")
Ok, how about foreign Special professional? ---
**Author:** ![Noel](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/noel/32/75202_2.png) [@Noel](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Noel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 1:36pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/12 "2019-08-13T13:36:31Z")
And can someone explain the 5 Million NT$ clause? ---
**Author:** ![tando](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tando](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tando)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 1:57pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/13 "2019-08-13T13:57:10Z")
It seems foreign Special professionals are treated as a part of foreign professionals as for APRC application. ---
**Author:** ![SunWuKong](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/sunwukong/32/125743_2.png) [@SunWuKong](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/SunWuKong)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 2:33pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/14 "2019-08-13T14:33:37Z")
> [@Charlie\_Jack](#): > > provided she has or can get a TEFL certificate some kind (I think they have a rule against an online TEFL certificate, but I’m not sure). She doesn’t, but that’s something I’m looking at now. She has an Associates Degree in her country. As I’ve seen, the minimum requirements are to have an Associates Degree and a TEFL certificate (not sure about the type, hours, etc of the certificate) and be from a country where English is a native language. Some little time ago, I said the applicant had to be from one of 7 countries and either @tempogain or @yyy sarcasm’ed me into agreement. The law does seem to suggest there is not a list of countries, HOWEVER THE LAW ALSO SUGGESTED THAT SHE COULD GET AN APRC NEXT YEAR so I DON’T KNOW. I asked here about the APRC for dependents issue, but didn’t ask NIA. I just told the wife for the past year that she can get a job next yet, so today’s drama could have been avoided with a phone call. Hess seems to accept teachers with an AA+TEFL, when I started filling out an application just to test I got this: ![Clipboard03](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/images/transparent.png) Which only means that’s their rule. So basically, yeah, she can get a buxiban job. But the odds of her getting a decent job somewhere not in the sticks are low. > [@Noel](#): > > Is it foreign Special Professional, or Foreign Senior Professional It’s the one that gets the plum blossom card. There may be two translations for the same thing. One could just be from the news. > [@Noel](#): > > On a side note, what is with the 5 Million NT$ ? Proof of assets. It’s weird to ask that of a dependent, but I guess a couple could get divorced and one becomes destitute but continues to live in Taiwan. There’s also a rule that the spouse can be working at twice the minimum salary, but since she’s not working that’s a non-starter. > [@tando](#): > > It seems foreign Special professionals are treated as a part of foreign professionals as for APRC application. These are two different categories of workers. Foreign professionals are most ARC holders who are working. To get the plum blossom ARC you have to be super-special (I was told). Few have this. ---
**Author:** ![tando](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tando](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tando)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/15 "2019-08-13T14:42:50Z")
> [@SunWuKong](#): > > > It seems foreign Special professionals are treated as a part of foreign professionals as for APRC application. > > These are two different categories of workers. Foreign professionals are most ARC holders who are working. To get the plum blossom ARC you have to be super-special (I was told). Few have this. there are foreign professionals, foreign _special_ professionals, and foreign _senior_ professionals. As for APRC application, foreign special professionals seem to be a part of foreign professionals. ---
**Author:** ![Noel](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/noel/32/75202_2.png) [@Noel](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Noel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 2:52pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/16 "2019-08-13T14:52:03Z")
This really sucks for you guys. I feel for you, in that it could have easily have been my situation in a few years. I hope you can figure something out here. The only thing that might be different for my situation is that we will probably have between 5 -7 Million NT$ in investments ( thus my interest in this part of your story). Not that you were really paying close attention to that part necessarily, but did they expand what they meant by assets? (Would equities/stocks or bonds in her name count? Or would it have to be cash in a Taiwanese bank account for a specific period of time?) I am trying to figure out a plan of attack here, to work the system as best as we can to make things work. ---
**Author:** ![tempogain](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/tempogain/32/264650_2.png) [@tempogain](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tempogain)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 2:55pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/17 "2019-08-13T14:55:01Z")
Apologies if this is stupid for whatever reason, but can she get an ARC with work rights by virtue of her relationship with you as an APRC holder? ---
**Author:** ![SunWuKong](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/sunwukong/32/125743_2.png) [@SunWuKong](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/SunWuKong)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 3:10pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/18 "2019-08-13T15:10:00Z")
Maybe, it’s not relevant at this time. Being neither helps in this situation. I’m not going to get a plum blossom card anytime soon, so that’s out. > [@Noel](#): > > but did they expand what they meant by assets? (Would equities/stocks or bonds in her name count? Or would it have to be cash in a Taiwanese bank account for a specific period of time?) I’m not going to make guesses. All they told me was have $5 million and “prove treasury” and some mention of real estate. I don’t even know if it can be in cash. This is the law: > [@](#): > > (2) Having chattel or real estate in Taiwan with a total value worth more than NT$5,000,000; The link to the full text is above. You can probably just call NIA and ask. They were very helpful, one might say sympathetic. I’m sure they’d tell you the full verification process. Stocks might fall under ‘chattel’. Congratulations on your investments. I’m not so good at saving. > [@tempogain](#): > > Apologies if this is stupid for whatever reason, but can she get an ARC with work rights by virtue of her relationship with you as an APRC holder? I did not think to ask that, but that’s the sort of thing I’D likely ask YOU. I’ve not seen anything about it so far, though, and it seems unlikely as ARC follows a work permit, not the other way round. An ARC is granted for a reason to be in the country, like work, study or dependent. And I did say to two of the three people she wanted to work (with a sad face) and they didn’t indicate it was possible. If there is some separate law, maybe regulating the dep’t of labor, regarding work rights of dependents of APRC holders, NIA may not have information about that since they only collect work permits but don’t issue them. I know spouses of citizens can work at some point, but there’s no compelling reason to give the same rights to the spouses of APRC holders, so it seems unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Jack](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/charlie_jack/32/246096_2.png) [@Charlie\_Jack](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Charlie_Jack)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 3:20pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/19 "2019-08-13T15:20:44Z")
> [@SunWuKong](#): > > > [@Charlie\_Jack](#): > > > > (I think they have a rule against an online TEFL certificate, but I’m not sure.) > > She doesn’t, but that’s something I’m looking at now. She has an Associates Degree in her country. Reposting this (but again, I can’t vouch for it): > [@Work permit with online TEFL certification?](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/work-permit-with-online-tefl-certification/66460/20): > > > [@Work permit with online TEFL certification?](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/work-permit-with-online-tefl-certification/66460/19): > > > > I have had no trouble with a crappy online TEFL. > > Do you have a uni degree? > [@Work permit with online TEFL certification?](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/work-permit-with-online-tefl-certification/66460/21): > > Associate Degree. > [@Work permit with online TEFL certification?](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/work-permit-with-online-tefl-certification/66460/27): > > > [@Work permit with online TEFL certification?](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/work-permit-with-online-tefl-certification/66460/26): > > > > The official position is that online/distance education is not recognized. > > I’m pretty sure that only applies to degrees, not TEFL certificates. > [@Work permit with online TEFL certification?](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/work-permit-with-online-tefl-certification/66460/28): > > I know of a lot more than one person who have applied for an ARC with an online TEFL certificate. It is almost impossible to confirm if the certificate was done online or nnot. The MOE doesn’t accept online degrees for positions in public schools or universities but other than that it is one huge gray area. > [@SunWuKong](#): > > Some little time ago, I said the applicant had to be from one of 7 countries and either @tempogain or @yyy sarcasm’ed me into agreement. The law does seem to suggest there is not a list of countries, HOWEVER THE LAW ALSO SUGGESTED THAT SHE COULD GET AN APRC NEXT YEAR so I DON’T KNOW. > > . . . > > Hess seems to accept teachers with an AA+TEFL, when I started filling out an application just to test I got this: Yes, some schools seem willing to accept only people from the seven countries. Back in 2012, I had a co-worker who was from Singapore. As far as I know, he was hired as a foreign English teacher. I don’t think he was paid as much as a typical foreign English teacher, and I also think he was hired under special circumstances. Additionally, I think he had a U. S. Bachelor’s degree. I don’t recall seeing his work permit. However, one day we got inspected (I don’t know whether it was local or national), and afterward, if I recall correctly, he confirmed to me that his work permit was for a foreign teacher. He even remarked that the inspector was surprised and that she said that it was the first one of its kind that she had ever seen. I think this was around the time that Forumosa was having a dispute about whether one had to be from one of the seven countries. I didn’t mention my co-worker during that dispute, because I didn’t want to drag him into it. However, as far as I can tell (from Facebook), he passed away in 2018, so I guess it’s okay to mention him now. ---
**Author:** ![tando](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tando](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tando)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705/20 "2019-08-13T15:30:58Z")
> [@tempogain](#): > > can she get an ARC with work rights by virtue of her relationship with you as an APRC holder Employment Service Act doesn’t say spouse of APRC holder has work right. [Next page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/bad-news-about-getting-an-aprc-for-dependents/182705.md?page=2)