Bad news about getting an APRC for dependents

Maybe, it’s not relevant at this time. Being neither helps in this situation. I’m not going to get a plum blossom card anytime soon, so that’s out.

I’m not going to make guesses. All they told me was have $5 million and “prove treasury” and some mention of real estate. I don’t even know if it can be in cash. This is the law:

The link to the full text is above. You can probably just call NIA and ask. They were very helpful, one might say sympathetic. I’m sure they’d tell you the full verification process. Stocks might fall under ‘chattel’. Congratulations on your investments. I’m not so good at saving.

I did not think to ask that, but that’s the sort of thing I’D likely ask YOU. I’ve not seen anything about it so far, though, and it seems unlikely as ARC follows a work permit, not the other way round. An ARC is granted for a reason to be in the country, like work, study or dependent. And I did say to two of the three people she wanted to work (with a sad face) and they didn’t indicate it was possible. If there is some separate law, maybe regulating the dep’t of labor, regarding work rights of dependents of APRC holders, NIA may not have information about that since they only collect work permits but don’t issue them. I know spouses of citizens can work at some point, but there’s no compelling reason to give the same rights to the spouses of APRC holders, so it seems unlikely.

Reposting this (but again, I can’t vouch for it):

Yes, some schools seem willing to accept only people from the seven countries.

Back in 2012, I had a co-worker who was from Singapore. As far as I know, he was hired as a foreign English teacher. I don’t think he was paid as much as a typical foreign English teacher, and I also think he was hired under special circumstances. Additionally, I think he had a U. S. Bachelor’s degree. I don’t recall seeing his work permit. However, one day we got inspected (I don’t know whether it was local or national), and afterward, if I recall correctly, he confirmed to me that his work permit was for a foreign teacher. He even remarked that the inspector was surprised and that she said that it was the first one of its kind that she had ever seen.

I think this was around the time that Forumosa was having a dispute about whether one had to be from one of the seven countries. I didn’t mention my co-worker during that dispute, because I didn’t want to drag him into it. However, as far as I can tell (from Facebook), he passed away in 2018, so I guess it’s okay to mention him now.

Employment Service Act doesn’t say spouse of APRC holder has work right.

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I read it, that does seem to be the case. I think if she gets a good TEFL she’s got a chance at getting a job, but even is she has legal qualifications, it’s not going to be easy being neither white nor from one of the special countries.

I’m thinking of having her start a business. The requirements to get started aren’t that bad, but there’s the matter of running a successful business. I’ve got plenty of ideas and marketing experience, but I also have a job. The only thing I can think for her to do is food-related, and there are so many regulations around food, especially imported. Business is a crap-shoot anyway.

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Immediately below is a link to something that looks like it could be a Chinese version of “Instructions for Foreigners to Apply for Permanent Residency,” but it doesn’t seem to contain any instructions specifically written for foreign professionals:

https://www.immigration.gov.tw/5385/7244/7250/7317/永久居留/30029/

Immediately below is another link to a cached version of a PDF of another, seemingly older document that looks like it could be a Chinese version of “Instructions for Foreigners to Apply for Permanent Residency,” and it does seem to contain instructions written for foreign professionals (in order to get the html cache, I clicked for a translation, but you should get the original):

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.immigration.gov.tw%2Fmedia%2F20359%2F0903-外國人申請永久居留送件須知.pdf&anno=2

I think this is a link to the PDF whose cache is linked above:

This appears to be the pertinent language in the Chinese PDF, corresponding to 4(5) of the English instructions you mentioned in the first post:

I can’t read Chinese, but some of the English of Article 16 of “Act for the Recruitment and Employment of Foreign Professionals” seems to correspond well with “Instructions for Foreigners to Apply for Permanent Residency.”

Here’s 4(5) of the Instructions, etc.:

Here’s the English of Article 16 of the for the Act for the Recruitment, etc.:

https://law.moj.gov.tw/ENG/LawClass/LawSearchContent.aspx?pcode=A0030295&norge=16

Here’s the Chinese of Article 16 the Act for the Recruitment, etc.:

https://law.moj.gov.tw/LawClass/LawSearchContent.aspx?pcode=A0030295&norge=16

(Side note: In the text above, Google Translate translates 《我國》(“my country”) as “China,” which I guess means “the Republic of China.” See for example this Facebook post:


Does 《我國》mean “the ROC,” and if so, is that a relatively new development?)

Here’s the English of Article 15 of the Act for the Recruitment, etc:

https://law.moj.gov.tw/ENG/LawClass/LawSearchContent.aspx?pcode=A0030295&norge=15

Here’s the Chinese of Article 15 of the Act for the Recruitment, etc.:

https://law.moj.gov.tw/LawClass/LawSearchContent.aspx?pcode=A0030295&norge=15

Yes it does (when written by an ROC bureaucrat), and no it isn’t.


TL/DR: the law does not require a prospective buxiban teacher to be from one of the Seven Kingdoms “seven countries”, but a buxiban may legitimately want a teacher to have a certain accent and so on. The MOFA decides which countries are officially English speaking (regardless of what other countries actually think).

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Sorry I can’t contribute … bit fuzzy , but I feel for your situation . Any way you can register a representative office here just to get an arc for your partner ?

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Okay, how about this relatively brief one:

If you were to read the below stuff–

–without anyone telling you what it meant to them or trying to influence you in any way, which of the two meanings below would you take?

(a) Upon the elapse of five years, and if everything else is according to Hoyle, the foreign professional and his dependents can apply for permanent residency.

or

(b) Upon the elapse of five years, etc., the foreign professional can apply for permanent residency, but his dependents have to wait another five years.

Or would you have interpreted it some other way?

One more question, and then I’ll try very hard to butt out: does the interpretation that the NIA gave ShaoLeFen hinge on the word 《後》in the above quote?

My first understanding of the part was,
Dependents of a foreign professional can apply for APRC after 5 years of residency since the professional get APRC.

I somehow changed the understanding to that
Dependents of a foreign professional with 5 years of residency can apply for APRC after the professional get APRC.

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My first impression is (a), but after re-reading it I can see (b) making sense too. :2cents:

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How about dependents of ROC citizens. For example, if someone has children over 18 who are ROC citizens, would it be easy for the parent to get an APRC based on dependency?

Is this related?

May the foreign spouse maintain the rights to reside in Taiwan after his/her wife/husband as a Taiwan’s citizen dies or divorces?

Pursuant to the Immigration Act, Regulation Governing Visiting, Residence and Permanent Resident of Alien, the foreign spouse may apply to branches of the National Immigration Agency.
(1). After death of the spouse as Taiwan’s citizens, the other party as a foreigner may apply for permanent residence regardless of having children or not. However, in the event it may cause damage to public interests, the permanent resident certificate may become abandoned if necessary.
(2). Foreign brides may not maintain the rights of residence in Taiwan after the residence reasons do not exist, expect that they have children to take care or other unavoidable reasons to enable them to reside.
(3). After divorce, no legal issues shall not be seen as the residence reasons, except that any special conditions take place to enable them to reside.


Or, if it is as for a foreign parent of an independent child who is a ROC citizen, the parent cannot get a residency as a dependent of the child, iiuc.


Or, if the dependent of a ROC citizen is a spouse of the citizen on a spousal ARC, the person just needs 5 years residency and easier proof of livelihood than other applicants. If the child can financially support the parent, it can be counted as livelihood, iirc.

I would never suggest this as a legal or viable option, but I find this requirement somewhat absurd. Say you borrow NT$5 million for a short period at a reasonable interest and it’s in your account when you apply for the APRC, would there be any follow up checks?

They will ask why it suddenly showed up.

They will insist that the amount had to have been on deposit for at least a year to qualify. But that’s BS! I did this for a friend and NIA tried to tell us this, but I demanded to see where it was official policy in writing. They couldn’t and had to allow it. This was back in 2010, so I don’t know what the official policy is now.

Well, that’s not the issue. She has an ARC as a dependent. She just wants to work legally.

The first one (a) turns out to be correct. We’ve been going under the assumption that she could work soon and didn’t make other plans. Now we’re a year behind.

I’m sure some checks are done. Anyway, there’s no possibility of getting that sum.

if naturalization with renunciation of your current nationality can be an option, she can work after shorter waiting time.

This one, the one immediately below, is correct?

And that, I guess, would mean that this one, the one immediately below, is not correct?

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The one turned out to be correct is (b), I think.

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Thanks, @tando. I was becoming confused. :slight_smile:

By “correct,” I mean correct according to what the NIA told ShaoLeFen.

I guess to have a chance of really finding out which reading is correct, it would be helpful to talk to whoever wrote the instructions, or whoever was in charge (i. e., “the boss”) of the writing of them, or at least someone who participated in writing them.

But then the same could be said about Article 16 of the Act for the Recruitment and Employment of Foreign Professionals, which I think the instructions are based on.