Beijing 2008

Taiwan march in with Taiwan flag 2008 in Beijing ??

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Dear Forum,

what do you think, how will the PRC treat Taiwan in 4 years? I am thinking of the opening ceremony etc. Do you think they will allow Taiwan its own nationality? Maybe they will march in together? I know it sounds weird, but think about Korea 4 years ago in Sydney …

Apart this, What about to implemetate a referendum/complain to the international olympic comitee to support Taiwan independance? I think they really have some power to push PROC to find a solution about the PRC / Taiwan issue. Neverless, mainland China will have a big problem in 4 years, what are your opinions about that?

They probably try to keep out all the ROC athletes that have a chance at a Gold medal in their respective events.

I mean if the ROC athlete comes in last at their event what will the PRC care.

Tai Kwan Do will be black listed for being to representative of Koreans and give Taiwanese too many opportunities to highlight Taiwan’s sovereign status.

actually, you maybe right that Tai Kwan Do may be stricken from the 2008 olympics, though for different reasons. There have been a lot of corruption problems with the professional Korean Tai Kwan Do association or some such and it is possible that the events maybe replaced with Wushu instead.

TKD is a very political sport. The method in which the which country can compete for spots in the Olympic, the changing of weight classes for the Olympics, and even the race of the competitor sent to the olympic is all politicized.

I don’t know if Wushu is popular enough yet.

But if any of the ROC Gold Medal winners go to PRC. I think they will be given a hard time in entering the PRC.

I know it is a little early to say this, but if I was decision maker in Taiwan, I would boycott the 2008 Olympics, lest the PRC seriously embarrasses this country!

I didn’t see much of the Olympics this year, and missed the opening ceremony. Did Taiwanese athletes actually march in completely separately from China?

The only experience I have watching Taiwanese athletes is when I saw last year’s int’l ballroom dancing competition held in Taipei. The home team didn’t call themselves “Taiwan,” but rather “Chinese Taipei.”

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[quote=“aprimo”]I didn’t see much of the Olympics this year, and missed the opening ceremony. Did Taiwanese athletes actually march in completely separately from China?[/quote]They came in under the letter “T”, after the Tanzanians. Surprised Beijing didn’t protest about that.
I think the Taiwanese should boycott the '08 Olympics because Beijing will obviously not pass up the opportunity to humiliate and belittle them. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Japanese stay home too, given the disgusting behavior of the Chinese during the soccer tournament recently.

I’m not really sure what the poll question is. Is it a ‘will’ or a ‘should’?

There’s not a snowball’s chance in hell that Taiwan will be allowed to march in the opening ceremony with the ROC flag!

And you can bet the Chinese will think of a thousand ways to make life difficult for ‘Chinese Taipei’ and to push their ‘one China’ point of view. If there weren’t substantial guarantees from the Chinese side I tend to agree that the Taiwanese should just not go.

I think the Taiwanese flagbearer will smuggle in a Taiwanese flag and exchange it with the Olympic flag during the march.

Correction: I don’t think (I’m in Taiwan), I dream…

I say go…

Why let the Mainland bully you around, and if they do, just take it to the press to show how imature they are. The more China plays the big hand with Taiwan the less it works. Also what a way to show your difference by competing in China under a different flag - Although I agree threre would be no chance in hell it would be the ROC flag. - Even winning under the name Chinese Taipei will just help to bring more attention to the issue.

Well… based on the consensus, Taiwan should go, march behind Tanzania, and well… Let China belittle etc., so the world gets a clear illustration and reminder of the fact that Taiwan exists.

And then promptly forget about it all 16 days later.

Well… you could be right! But I bet you 100/1 that Taiwan would NOT be allowed to march anywhere near Tanzania in the procession. Whatever jiggery-pokery they have to engage in to make it happen they will. Taiwan will be made to march with (or at most, right behind) the PRC… or (as a concession) not at all.

Perhaps the PRC will have HK and Macao athletes march in the PRC group with their SAR flags. Then they’ll put Taiwan in with that group with an olympic flag. Wait and see!

Taiwan should never think about boycotting as an option. All it does is waste the athelete’s time and training and they have to wait for the 2012 olympics. The Taiwanese atheletes should compete and strive for medals to show their character through adversity much like what Jesse Owens did in Germany, and basically have a chance to stick it to the prc if any Taiwanese athlete wanted to.

i agree :bravo:

The original poster and X3M have both made references to the “Taiwan Flag”. Let’s be clear - you mean the flag of the Republic of China, right?

The title, flag and song of the Taiwan team were all decided upon through negotiations between Taiwan and mainland Chinese representatives many years ago. Unless there is a change in Taiwan’s actual status, i.e. independence (nigh-on impossible) or reunification (unlikely, but possible), we can expect the status of Taiwan’s Olympic team also to be unchanged. The order of teams entering the stadium will not be quite the same as at Athens, because there the teams came in according to the Greek spelling of their names (alpha, beta, gamma…)

As to wushu, it is no replacement for Taekwondo. In wushu competitions, there is no fighting. The form is judged similarly to gymnastics. Wushu is by no means an international sport, so we are only likely to see wushu as an exhibition item at the Beijing Olympics along with taijiquan.

Taekwondo is now becoming popular in China - the Chinese have a similar sport called sanda. I should think China will hold off from entering a Taekwondo team until they think they can make a fair showing and not get thrashed by the Taiwanese.

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As to wushu, it is no replacement for Taekwondo. In wushu competitions, there is no fighting. The form is judged similarly to gymnastics. Wushu is by no means an international sport, so we are only likely to see wushu as an exhibition item at the Beijing Olympics along with taijiquan.

Taekwondo is now becoming popular in China - the Chinese have a similar sport called sanda. I should think China will hold off from entering a Taekwondo team until they think they can make a fair showing and not get thrashed by the Taiwanese.[/quote]
It seems to me that no matter what martial art they choose to hold as an olympic event, one or two countries will always have a huge advantage over all others since that martial art is their own. To resolve this problem, they should just have a cage brawl in which anything goes. I seem to remember a similar event that is held in the US every year. Any technique is allowed. The participants fight until their opponent goes down, as in completely done, not taking another swing down. I’d love to see an ex-US Navy Seal, Army Ranger or Delta Force bad boy kick the shit out of some bathrobe wearing Korean or Chinese. Screw “proper technique.” The only guy who should have anything like a guarantee that he’ll go to his hotel instead of to the hospital at the end of the night is the gold medal winner.

This is close enough to the topic of this thread, so I’ll post it here. I can’t link it, so I’ll past it in:

[quote=“SCMP”]China’s pursuit of gold an endeavour that excludes the majority

JAKE VAN DER KAMP


I have many vices, I know that I do, but I am proud to tell you that patriotism is not among them, not for any country and I can claim some measure of affiliation to three.
I say this apropos of the headline in our Olympics supplement yesterday on China’s medal victories - “Red storm rising, new superpower emerges”. Yes indeed, hurdles today, world domination tomorrow.

I know you will protest that this was only about the Olympics and should be taken in a metaphorical sense but let us not fool ourselves. Beijing does not treat the Olympic Games as sport alone. It regards the final medal tally as a commentary on China’s standing as a superpower in every sense of the term and, by all accounts, drives its Olympic athletes mercilessly to get their golds.

You can see it in more than the Olympics. Has the United States put a man in space? Well, we will do it too, whatever the cost. We have the atom bomb, we are the world’s fastest-growing industrial power and we are even building a fanciful new national theatre in our capital because every country that esteems itself must have one. Whatever anyone else can do we can do too.

But did others ever deny it and, if they did, are their opinions really worth listening to? Is this in any case really the way to measure a society’s worth?

The strange thing about these national demonstrations of being as good as anyone else in high-profile shows and public monuments is that on one level, these things quickly turn into dangerous illusions of superiority and at a deeper level, they bespeak a lingering national inferiority complex.

I can understand it in China’s case. For centuries, Chinese people suffered racist insult and subjugation at the hands of technologically superior western civilisations. Their natural reaction was to overcome it by striving for that same technological superiority and not technological alone but intellectual and now athletic too.

Meanwhile, I also read in yesterday’s newspaper of a peasant in the northeastern provinces who committed suicide because he could not face the ignominy of having too little money to send his son to a college at which he had been accepted. How much stress must people at the bottom endure so that their compatriots at the top can congratulate themselves on acceptance to the international big league?

I think I can guess what the full cost of staging the 2008 Beijing Olympics might be for China by looking at the 1988 Seoul Olympics and their aftermath of political turmoil and economic damage, which still leaves the Korean stock market index at less than half of its level in US dollar terms at the peak of its Olympics bubble.

When everything is counted in, staging the Olympics is a horrendously expensive business and the burden will once again inevitably fall on China’s working poor as it did for that costly man-in-space initiative and does for every show that Beijing stages to prove that it has arrived. It all just puts off the day that the labourer in China can arrive at a comfortable existence.

I am also far from convinced that this focus on the Olympics will foster widespread participation in sport in the mainland. What it rather does is concentrate all the attention on an outstanding few, some of them near freaks, while consigning millions of others to watch the performances on television, their playing fields developed for other uses and all the money for encouraging sport directed into top-flight facilities for the few. It is a prescription for creating national flab, not national fitness.

And may I ask how much attention the national authorities would pay to such trivial pursuits as synchronised swimming if there were no Olympic gold at the end of the pool? None at all and good money saved would be my guess.

May I also ask how many fingers of one hand it will take to count the number of times the velodromes now under construction in Beijing will be used after 2008?

I think Deng Xiaoping had it right in extolling wealth as a proper objective for his people but the trouble is that he and his successors then placed too much emphasis on the trappings of wealth rather than the substance of it spread across as many people as possible.

To my mind, India, with not many fewer people than China, took the better approach to the Olympics, with only one silver medal as against China’s 32 golds, 17 silvers and 14 bronzes. I would not hold India up as a model of economic development but in this case it got its priorities right.

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