The UN speaks:
And now they can go back to playing with themselves.
Oh they cannot, forgot the UN is as impotent as JimiP without his viagra drip!
Seems to me the report only confirms that yet again there is a widespread misunderstanding of what the word “evidence” means. This is so prevalent in our society it hardly goes noticed anymore.
Assad used chemical weapons
How do you know?
We have evidence
What evidence?
It was used on his own people
How do you know it was him?
We have evidence
What evidence?
It was shot from over there
But what evidence do you have that it was Assad who shot it?
It was used on his own people
Oh 
You know, I kind of recognize this line of argument as I’ve heard it a few times before:
God is real
How do you know?
I have evidence
What evidence?
The bible says so
What evidence do you have the bible is real?
The bible is the true word of God
What evidence do you have of that?
It says so in the Bible
Oh
What do you want, a picture of him lighting the fuse?
[quote=“BrentGolf”]Seems to me the report only confirms that yet again there is a widespread misunderstanding of what the word “evidence” means. This is so prevalent in our society it hardly goes noticed anymore.
Assad used chemical weapons
How do you know?
We have evidence
What evidence?
It was used on his own people
How do you know it was him?
We have evidence
What evidence?
It was shot from over there
But what evidence do you have that it was Assad who shot it?
It was used on his own people
Oh
You know, I kind of recognize this line of argument as I’ve heard it a few times before:
God is real
How do you know?
I have evidence
What evidence?
The bible says so
What evidence do you have the bible is real?
The bible is the true word of God
What evidence do you have of that?
It says so in the Bible
Oh [/quote]
There are findings in the Report, EG delivery systems,hardware manufacture,release positioning and complex mixing system, which would seem to indicate that it is way beyond the capability of the Rebels to have done this. This is not quite the same as Iraq etc. I would guess that you know very well that the Government is responsible.
the sad fact is that it won’t make a blind bit of difference,even if proved 100%. The UN will moan about the injustice,Russia and the States will procrastinate ad infinitum and nothing will happen. The USA is all too aware that maybe 25% of the Rebels are Extremists. Another Egypt looms and nobody really wants to get involved,in spite of the rhetoric.
The World has decided to watch and wait,whether that is right or wrong.
After the Iraq lies im not surprised people are sceptical, so the the evidence points to the Syrian Government being responsible, that evidence could have been manufactured to make it look like that was the case. Who do you believe? You have got 2 pretty naff choices really haven’t you.
Just my 
of course, but something that qualifies as actual evidence would be a good start. We are in fact talking about bombing a country here. We may want something a little stronger than, it seems too sophisticated for these mindless rebels to operate. We’re not talking about reasonable doubt here. When tomahawks are involved, you better be F’ing sure. The so called evidence in this case is so much weaker than in Iraq that it’s not even worth comparing the two, and we all know how that one ended up… 
The evidence must be irrefutable, as no-one has blamed the Israelis yet.
One thing is certain. Whoever fired those rockets is either extremely smart or extremely stupid. Extremely smart for having pulled off the perfect frame up job or extremely stupid for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory by launching chemical weapons three days after UN weapons inspectors arrive in country and a few klicks from their hotel, killing hundreds of civilians but few or no enemy soldiers and leaving the original markings on the rocket casings like calling cards.
You’ve got to hand it to the Coalition of Crocodile Tears this time though. After years of Nurse Nayirah, Curveball, yellow cake, aluminum tubes, trailers of death and other hoopla they’ve finally got some real evidence to back up their claims. I’d say that alone qualifies them to launch Operation Feeding Time. Let the dinner bell ring! Just try to keep the civilian casualties down to double figures if at all possible.
Oh Winston, always so negative.
I have never been happier to live in a world where wars aren’t launched based on the whims and accusations of people on the internet. :neutral:
I definitely agree with the extremely stupid part. If Assad was actually behind this attack ( and I’m not saying he wasn’t, he clearly could have been ) it seems like the height of stupidity. It’s flat out mind boggling that he would use chemical weapons on these people when he has already so successfully killed 100,000 others without using chemical weapons. He is in charge and winning. Why on earth would he flush all that down the toilet by inviting American tomahawk missiles into his front yard? Stupid doesn’t even begin to describe what that would make Assad ( again, I’m not claiming he’s smart, just saying )
The incredibly smart part? I’m not sold. The rebels aren’t a bunch of saints throwing rocks here. At least some of them are highly connected criminals who could quite likely get their hands on some reasonably sophisticated weapons. If in fact they did stage this event, would that qualify as incredibly smart? I think nearly anybody could have drummed up this plan. Get your hands on a chemical weapon and fire it off at civilians with weapons inspectors nearby to witness the event. Done deal, now you have a great chance at getting American help which is desperately needed or they lose.
I’m not drawing any conclusions because anything and everything is possible. But I definitely think we need a much higher level of “evidence” than we’ve seen so far…
I definitely agree with the extremely stupid part. If Assad was actually behind this attack ( and I’m not saying he wasn’t, he clearly could have been ) it seems like the height of stupidity. It’s flat out mind boggling that he would use chemical weapons on these people when he has already so successfully killed 100,000 others without using chemical weapons. He is in charge and winning. Why on earth would he flush all that down the toilet by inviting American tomahawk missiles into his front yard? Stupid doesn’t even begin to describe what that would make Assad ( again, I’m not claiming he’s smart, just saying )
The incredibly smart part? I’m not sold. The rebels aren’t a bunch of saints throwing rocks here. At least some of them are highly connected criminals who could quite likely get their hands on some reasonably sophisticated weapons. If in fact they did stage this event, would that qualify as incredibly smart? I think nearly anybody could have drummed up this plan. Get your hands on a chemical weapon and fire it off at civilians with weapons inspectors nearby to witness the event. Done deal, now you have a great chance at getting American help which is desperately needed or they lose.
I’m not drawing any conclusions because anything and everything is possible. But I definitely think we need a much higher level of “evidence” than we’ve seen so far…[/quote]
Well you have a point.However, I would point out,using that reasoning, that as 25% (sic) of the Rebels may be Al Quaeda backed and extremists (they say themselves),that they would love to use that weapon on far more important targets if they could. Israel would have retaliated,as they do, if they thought Chemical weapons were in the hands of Terrorists. I suspect this may be a double bluff by big ears.It’s all going to get messy win or lose.
Even as someone who voted for Obama (once), I have to say that I found this very funny:
Help Fund World War 3
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Recent events compel us to bump this thread.
Remember when the US invaded Grenada? It was a big deal at the time - even rated a Clint Eastwood movie. But it wouldn’t have been a big deal except the US had been dragged down into a pit of low esteem and low capability by a really bad president. Team America was in a bad state, and the enemies of freedom were starting to run rampant.
Grenada was a baby step out of the hole Carter had dragged America into. Out of context, it was a pathetic victory against a pathetic enemy. Like winning the Special Olympics. In context, it was the beginning of a resurrection. The first blip on the heart monitor of a resuscitated patient.
In other words, it was a big deal in one way precisely because it wasn’t a big deal another way.
And now we have Syria…
Now commences the battle over the narrative. Which isn’t quite the real war, but matters way too much. Because you can win or lose a war at home.
Funny how pre-Trump so many people where pretty ok with bombing Syria because:“Well, we have proofs, think of the children, Assad is evil etc”, and now:“NO WAR, STOP IT NOW”.
Whatever anyone may think of Bashar al-Assad, is anybody in the world actually gullible enough to believe that we’re spending all this money and effort in Syria to “save the children”? Here in austerity Britain, children are literally running around the place throwing acid at people, while the government says we “don’t have enough money” to stop making cuts to the police and to pay for children’s school meals, yet they have all this money to spend dropping bombs on a faraway land to “save” some children?
At least with Iraq, they went out of their way to fabricate a story to make it seem like bombing them to Hell would be in our best interests. It’s like they can’t even be arsed to justify themselves this time…
After all these years of “”“touching”“” photos of migrant “”“children”“” making it to Europe, one would think there are no more kids left to save in Syria.
Those are the migrants who have already fled the country. Just imagine how many more migrants there’ll be after the Saudi-backed Islamic extremists fill in the power vacuum we create after we remove Assad! These “saviours of children” aren’t even bothering to pretend that they know what they’ll do once Assad goes.
I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but sometimes I look at this crap and all I can conclude is that these people are either complete morons who haven’t got a clue what they’re doing or, as the InfoWars-types attest, they really are deliberately destabalising the region and engineering mass migrations for their own “globalist” agenda.
You think you got theorists.My FB in Spanish has been overwhelmed with accusations from the media -with Russian sources, of course- of the chemical attacks being staged a la Wag the Dog or being shots from another place/time. Lots of people denouncing the US/UK/French bombardment as illegal.
Heck, even Taiwan media are calling the US joint attack as a sales demo for missiles. Seems they are also giving credit to the version that Russia was warned ahead and told Syria to move the stuff.
I am getting Dessert Storm II deja vu.All we need now is another grey flag attack. At least, I predict UK being hit this week , with something happening in US depending on the market’s reaction.