# 🥊 Boxing | Female Boxing - Gender Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Sports\ **Tags:** gender, olympics, boxing, paris\ **Created:** [August 1, 2024, 11:45am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785 "2024-08-01T11:45:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![hannes](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/hannes/32/161150_2.png) [@hannes](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/hannes)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 11:41pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785/1 "2024-07-30T23:41:45Z")
Taiwanese athletes makes to German tabloid, but unfortunaterly not for the right reasons. ![image](https://forumosauploads-12829.kxcdn.com/original/3X/8/a/8a2b9926ea0aa3e154bcd2080c773f3461b82d02.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![BigDave](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/bigdave/32/181371_2.png) [@BigDave](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/BigDave)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 11:42pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785/2 "2024-07-30T23:42:43Z")
Translation? Something to do with sex? ---
**Author:** ![hannes](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/hannes/32/161150_2.png) [@hannes](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/hannes)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 11:45pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785/3 "2024-07-30T23:45:35Z")
She and an Algerian boxer are seen as too “male” by some, and she was disqualified before at the world championships after finishing third. I think because of too high testosterone levels. [IOC defends allowing boxers who failed gender tests to compete at Paris 2024 | Paris Olympic Games 2024 | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/jul/30/ioc-defends-allowing-boxers-who-failed-gender-tests-to-compete-paris-olympics#:~:text=Imane%20Khelif%20of%20Algeria%20and,chromosomes%20and%20were%20thus%20excluded%E2%80%9D). ---
**Author:** ![BigDave](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/bigdave/32/181371_2.png) [@BigDave](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/BigDave)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 11:48pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785/4 "2024-07-30T23:48:57Z")
> [@hannes](#): > > She and an Algerian boxer are seen as too “male” by some They have xy chromosomes according to the article. ---
**Author:** ![hansioux](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/hansioux/32/253648_2.png) [@hansioux](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/hansioux)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 3:27am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785/5 "2024-08-01T03:27:20Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/46Vxa4RxQTs/maxresdefault.jpg "人妖、變性、吃禁藥？被惡意中傷的林郁婷如何渡過性別認同這一關？｜公視P# 新聞實驗室") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46Vxa4RxQTs) She’s clearly a woman ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ghost](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/71c47a/32.png) [@The\_Ghost](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/The_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 11:45am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785/6 "2024-08-01T11:45:06Z")
Just saw a clip of Italy’s female boxer leaving the ring in tears after losing to man competing in the women’s division. ---
**Author:** ![Shaun008](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/shaun008/32/209482_2.png) [@Shaun008](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Shaun008)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 12:06pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785/7 "2024-08-01T12:06:35Z")
> [@The\_Ghost](#): > > Just saw a clip of Italy’s female boxer leaving the ring in tears after losing to man competing in the women’s division. I have only seen bits about this but haven’t seen any body say, I know they failed DNA test that showed they had Y chromosomes, but were they born men and had the snip or were they born female? ---
**Author:** ![the\_bear](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/the_bear/32/192391_2.png) [@the\_bear](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/the_bear)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 12:09pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785/8 "2024-08-01T12:09:33Z")
You aren’t really explaining the situation there. It’s not like some guy turned up and lied saying he was a woman. This is an intersex issue, not a transgender issue. Not saying the person should be competing but it needs explaining. Even more interesting is that there is another boxer with the same issue (XY chromosomes) and she is from Taiwan. But there’s been zero discussion in Taiwan about it, she presents as female as she’s not as scary as the Algerian (who to be fair is pretty scary). ---
**Author:** ![BigDave](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/bigdave/32/181371_2.png) [@BigDave](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/BigDave)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 12:12pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785/9 "2024-08-01T12:12:46Z")
> [@the\_bear](#): > > presents as female Debatable, but as you say, it is an intersex issue as much as i know so it isnt the athlete’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![the\_bear](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/the_bear/32/192391_2.png) [@the\_bear](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/the_bear)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 12:13pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785/10 "2024-08-01T12:13:56Z")
Well they’ve lived their life as female. ---
**Author:** ![Shaun008](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/shaun008/32/209482_2.png) [@Shaun008](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Shaun008)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 12:17pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785/11 "2024-08-01T12:17:29Z")
> [@the\_bear](#): > > Well they’ve lived their life as female. So they are female with XY chromosomes? as per the below article its 1 on 15,000. > **[More Women Than Expected Are Genetically Men - Novo Nordisk Fonden](https://novonordiskfonden.dk/en/news/more-women-than-expected-are-genetically-men/)** > > BY MORTEN BUSCH Sex chromosomes usually determine whether you are female or male. Women are XX. Men are XY. However, genetically, a few women are actually men. They grow up as women with a woman’s body, and most only discover well into puberty that... ---
**Author:** ![the\_bear](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/the_bear/32/192391_2.png) [@the\_bear](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/the_bear)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 12:20pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785/12 "2024-08-01T12:20:50Z")
Yes they have female genitalia. I mean the Taiwanese girl, you’d guess they were male if you passed them on the street but that’s not the issue here. It’s important to remember this is nothing to do with transgender issues, there’s no transitioning, no sex reassignment. They come out of the womb and the doctor goes, no dick, it’s a girl. ---
**Author:** ![Shaun008](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/shaun008/32/209482_2.png) [@Shaun008](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Shaun008)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 12:32pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785/13 "2024-08-01T12:32:06Z")
> [@the\_bear](#): > > Yes they have female genitalia. I mean the Taiwanese girl, you’d guess they were male if you passed them on the street but that’s not the issue here. It’s important to remember this is nothing to do with transgender issues, there’s no transitioning, no sex reassignment. They come out of the womb and the doctor goes, no dick, it’s a girl. Yes I have known girls like that my whole life, but they were always girls, went to school as girls, played sport as girls, was never really an issue. What’s next all runners have to have standard size legs, as long legs gives you a genetic advantage? The girl has a face like a bulldog chewing a wasp and a body like a shit house door, boxing seams a nice fit as I cant see her winning miss world. I mean if someone has been surgically or chemically altered thats a whole different ball game. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ghost](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/71c47a/32.png) [@The\_Ghost](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/The_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 12:39pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785/14 "2024-08-01T12:39:22Z")
Not sure actually, I thought born male. I will have to check ---
**Author:** ![Shaun008](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/shaun008/32/209482_2.png) [@Shaun008](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Shaun008)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 12:41pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785/15 "2024-08-01T12:41:02Z")
> [@The\_Ghost](#): > > Born man, had the snip. Still physically a male. > > Should be common sense that if you’re born male, you compete with men. Born female, compete with female. > > If that’s not good enough, tough shit. That’s the question I’m asking, were these two born male or just female with a Y chromosome? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ghost](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/71c47a/32.png) [@The\_Ghost](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/The_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 12:42pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785/16 "2024-08-01T12:42:08Z")
I thought born male had the snip. But most articles are very vague on whether he was born male or not. ---
**Author:** ![the\_bear](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/the_bear/32/192391_2.png) [@the\_bear](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/the_bear)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 12:42pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785/17 "2024-08-01T12:42:29Z")
The problem in boxing is if the girl is hitting at 165% of the power of anyone else in the division then people will get hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Shaun008](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/shaun008/32/209482_2.png) [@Shaun008](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Shaun008)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 12:45pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785/18 "2024-08-01T12:45:51Z")
> [@the\_bear](#): > > The problem in boxing is if the girl is hitting at 165% of the power of anyone else in the division then people will get hurt. It’s a combat sport people get hurt, hopefully they can contain it as much as possible, but you cant just ban someone because they are naturally as hard as nails. ---
**Author:** ![Shaun008](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/shaun008/32/209482_2.png) [@Shaun008](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Shaun008)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 12:49pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785/19 "2024-08-01T12:49:23Z")
> [@The\_Ghost](#): > > I thought born male had the snip. But most articles are very vague on whether he was born male or not. This has been my point, I cant quickly get to the bottom of it, but my feeling is if they had had the snip then that would be all over the news. ---
**Author:** ![the\_bear](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/the_bear/32/192391_2.png) [@the\_bear](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/the_bear)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 12:50pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785/20 "2024-08-01T12:50:14Z")
No one anywhere is claiming she was born male. Both girls have been competing for years in the sport. The entire issue is that they have XY chromosomes. That’s it. [Next page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/boxing-female-boxing-gender-discussion/242785.md?page=2)