I’m sure she’d be hot, but then you’d have to listen to her talk in the morning.
Personally, I have a crush on Annette Lu.
To move away from the casual sexism of the 1940’s and return to politics…
Obviously, Hung didn’t quit. She had a Luke on Dagobah moment and has come back wiser and more committed… or so she says. After an unremarkable press conference, she gave a very long manifesto to the media. Obviously, I didn’t receive one, so I’ll go based on what UDN says.
“How is it that Ma Ying-jeou, who is uncorrupt and sticks to his ideals, has fared so poorly in the polls and in public opinion, to the point that his approval is lower even than the incredibly corrupt former President Chen Shui-bian?” This is a great question and I’m glad she’s brought it out into the open. Unfortunately, instead of taking it as an opportunity to get to the bottom of why people are starting to hate the KMT, she blames it on voters for being stupid. “Is this just?” she asks. “Does justice exist anymore in this country? Do right and wrong exist anymore?”
She closes with a very encouraging line of thought, though. “Seeing minors charge into the Education Ministry has saddened me beyond compare. It has made me realize, we have been wrong. In the fight for political power over the past 20-odd years, we have become the worst role models. For this, we should reflect on ourselves thoroughly and offer a sincere apology.” Let’s hope she’s serious about that last part.
[quote=“Hokwongwei”]To move away from the casual sexism of the 1940’s and return to politics…
Obviously, Hung didn’t quit. She had a Luke on Dagobah moment and has come back wiser and more committed… or so she says. After an unremarkable press conference, she gave a very long manifesto to the media. Obviously, I didn’t receive one, so I’ll go based on what UDN says.
“How is it that Ma Ying-jeou, who is uncorrupt and sticks to his ideals, has fared so poorly in the polls and in public opinion, to the point that his approval is lower even than the incredibly inept former President Chen Shui-bian?” This is a great question and I’m glad she’s brought it out into the open. Unfortunately, instead of taking it as an opportunity to get to the bottom of why people are starting to hate the KMT, she blames it on voters for being stupid. “Is this just?” she asks. “Does justice exist anymore in this country? Do right and wrong exist anymore?”
She closes with a very encouraging line of thought, though. “Seeing minors charge into the Education Ministry has saddened me beyond compare. It has made me realize, we have been wrong. In the fight for political power over the past 20-odd years, we have become the worst role models. For this, we should reflect on ourselves thoroughly and offer a sincere apology.” Let’s hope she’s serious about that last part.[/quote]
[quote]who is uncorrupt and sticks to his ideals[/quote] :roflmao: :ohreally:
[quote=“Hokwongwei”]To move away from the casual sexism of the 1940’s and return to politics…
Obviously, Hung didn’t quit. She had a Luke on Dagobah moment and has come back wiser and more committed… or so she says. After an unremarkable press conference, she gave a very long manifesto to the media. Obviously, I didn’t receive one, so I’ll go based on what UDN says.
“How is it that Ma Ying-jeou, who is uncorrupt and sticks to his ideals, has fared so poorly in the polls and in public opinion, to the point that his approval is lower even than the incredibly inept former President Chen Shui-bian?” This is a great question and I’m glad she’s brought it out into the open. Unfortunately, instead of taking it as an opportunity to get to the bottom of why people are starting to hate the KMT, she blames it on voters for being stupid. “Is this just?” she asks. “Does justice exist anymore in this country? Do right and wrong exist anymore?”
She closes with a very encouraging line of thought, though. “Seeing minors charge into the Education Ministry has saddened me beyond compare. It has made me realize, we have been wrong. In the fight for political power over the past 20-odd years, we have become the worst role models. For this, we should reflect on ourselves thoroughly and offer a sincere apology.” Let’s hope she’s serious about that last part.[/quote]
Thanks for update, let’s see where things go from here. Like frozengarlic said, “One of the strange things about this year’s campaign is that it feels like it hasn’t started yet… .When will the campaign shift into high gear?”
[quote=“schwarzwald”][quote=“Hokwongwei”]To move away from the casual sexism of the 1940’s and return to politics…
Obviously, Hung didn’t quit. She had a Luke on Dagobah moment and has come back wiser and more committed… or so she says. After an unremarkable press conference, she gave a very long manifesto to the media. Obviously, I didn’t receive one, so I’ll go based on what UDN says.
“How is it that Ma Ying-jeou, who is uncorrupt and sticks to his ideals, has fared so poorly in the polls and in public opinion, to the point that his approval is lower even than the incredibly inept former President Chen Shui-bian?” This is a great question and I’m glad she’s brought it out into the open. Unfortunately, instead of taking it as an opportunity to get to the bottom of why people are starting to hate the KMT, she blames it on voters for being stupid. “Is this just?” she asks. “Does justice exist anymore in this country? Do right and wrong exist anymore?”
She closes with a very encouraging line of thought, though. “Seeing minors charge into the Education Ministry has saddened me beyond compare. It has made me realize, we have been wrong. In the fight for political power over the past 20-odd years, we have become the worst role models. For this, we should reflect on ourselves thoroughly and offer a sincere apology.” Let’s hope she’s serious about that last part.[/quote]
Thanks for update, let’s see where things go from here. Like frozengarlic said, “One of the strange things about this year’s campaign is that it feels like it hasn’t started yet… .When will the campaign shift into high gear?”[/quote]
I’ve always found it interesting how Chinese political organs (the CCP and its press) and the Deep Blues make Confucian-istic overtures to undefined principles of morality, justice and virtue. Conveniently, of course, all such principles support the policy goals of the speaker and oppose the goals of the speaker’s political antagonists. I had always thought that this was just a “ruse” in that the CCP/Deep Blue speakers didn’t actually believe what they were saying and knew that their views were no more moral, just or virtuous than that of their opponents (and could easily be seen as less so by many people).
Bu when HHC makes comments like - “How is it that Ma Ying-jeou, who is uncorrupt and sticks to his ideals, has fared so poorly in the polls and in public opinion, to the point that his approval is lower even than the incredibly inept former President Chen Shui-bian?” . . . “Is this just?” she asks. “Does justice exist anymore in this country? Do right and wrong exist anymore?”
One almost wonders if she is truly confused about the matter. Is it possible that she truly see’s that her party’s views and politicians are somehow more virutuos and just than those of her opponents? Does she actually think that the dislike that the public shows towards MYJ is a reflection of the failures of the public? I’ve gotta believe that this is just politicking and that the party that continues to venerate, idolize and worship CKS and CCK not withstanding the murder, bigotry and repression that they wtinessed on the Taiwanese and Chinese peoples, is continuing to talk out of both sides of their mouth (which 'd vastly prefer). So long as statues and monuments to the Grate Leeder and overtures to the Deer Leeder stand in Taiwan, I will continue to chuckle at any KMT mention of just leaders.
Of course she believes it. Just look at politics in the US. It’s so easy to imagine a blowhard like Mike Huckabee taking the stage and saying:
“How is it that George W. Bush, a good Christian and believer in our founding fathers’ values, is respected less than the bleeding heart liberal Barack Obama? Have we lost our sense of Christian morals?”
When soaked in an ideology long enough, you find ways to justify your views while illegitimizing the views of your opponents. What the KMT preaches is KMT-style Confucianism, while Beijing follows CPC-style Confucianism. But I’m fairly confident that if the sage himself could see what they were saying and doing, it would be unrecognizable to him. Exactly the same way that Jesus would be confounded by most of what comes out of Huckabee’s mouth.
[quote=“Zhengzhou2010”]
I’ve always found it interesting how Chinese political organs (the CCP and its press) and the Deep Blues make Confucian-istic overtures to undefined principles of morality, justice and virtue. …bigotry and repression that they wtinessed on the Taiwanese and Chinese peoples, is continuing to talk out of both sides of their mouth (which 'd vastly prefer). [/quote]
How do you reconcile your wish for a socialist (Red), egalitarian, idealized grand China on the one hand, with the reality of what really is the Chinese core spirit on the other?
If you’re not educated in Chinese, I’m afraid your understanding of what it means to be Chinese politically is very limited. It could be based on an appreciation of classical Chinese literature and culture, but that’s not what China is really about.
[quote=“Hokwongwei”]Of course she believes it. Just look at politics in the US. It’s so easy to imagine a blowhard like Mike Huckabee taking the stage and saying:
“How is it that George W. Bush, a good Christian and believer in our founding fathers’ values, is respected less than the bleeding heart liberal Barack Obama? Have we lost our sense of Christian morals?”
When soaked in an ideology long enough, you find ways to justify your views while illegitimizing the views of your opponents. What the KMT preaches is KMT-style Confucianism, while Beijing follows CPC-style Confucianism. But I’m fairly confident that if the sage himself could see what they were saying and doing, it would be unrecognizable to him. Exactly the same way that Jesus would be confounded by most of what comes out of Huckabee’s mouth.[/quote]
With Huckabee and the Conservative Christians wing, I figure that while some of them may be true believers, the majority of the politicos will just say whatever they need to get elected and know that it is palp. Moreover, when it comes to national elections, there are always the Karl Rove-type political fixers who we all know are orchestrating their candidates to just say what it takes to win without actually drinking the Kool-Aid of ideological belief.
I always assumed it was the same in Taiwan (and to some extent in China) where when the politicians made overtures to Confucianistic values (I agree that Confucious himself would likely disagree with many of the espoused views; that is why I said “Confucianistic” rather than “Confucian”) they mostly knew (and their handlers all knew) it was bunk. I’m just surprised the HHC seems to be a confused true believer and has not awoken to the KMT’s hypocrisy; I find it ironic that she seems to lack any sense of irony.
double post
Triple post!
err… so nice you said it thrice?
Lol, I talk to myself a lot. What’s worse is I often respond too.
I find it a bit stupid and juvenile, but not particularly sexist.
I’m certainly not ‘deeply offended’.
I find it a bit stupid and juvenile, but not particularly sexist.
I’m certainly not ‘deeply offended’.[/quote]
Do Taiwanese voters care what the candidate’s sexual orientation is? (straight, gay, lesbian, bi, other)
I don’t recall ever hearing about a candidate for political office in Taiwan being attacked or loved because of his/her sexual preference. If Tsai or Hung comes out and say “I’m a lesbian” in public, does that make any difference in the outcome of the election? Is this a non-issue for Taiwanese voters?
In 2008 and 2012, there were insinuations that Ma has been in gay relationships, and if I recall correctly, even that he got HIV from one. It was extremely crass and disappointing.
In 2012, a reporter asked Tsai Ing-wen if she’s a lesbian. (Neither Tsai nor Hung have ever been married. As I recall, the insinuation was made by either Shih Ming-te or Hsu Hsin-liang, both former DPP heads, but I could be wrong.) She basically said it’s none of your business and kept walking. It was a very mature response to a ridiculous question.
[quote=“sofun”][quote=“Zhengzhou2010”]
I’ve always found it interesting how Chinese political organs (the CCP and its press) and the Deep Blues make Confucian-istic overtures to undefined principles of morality, justice and virtue. …bigotry and repression that they wtinessed on the Taiwanese and Chinese peoples, is continuing to talk out of both sides of their mouth (which 'd vastly prefer). [/quote]
How do you reconcile your wish for a socialist (Red), egalitarian, idealized grand China on the one hand, with the reality of what really is the Chinese core spirit on the other?
If you’re not educated in Chinese, I’m afraid your understanding of what it means to be Chinese politically is very limited. It could be based on an appreciation of classical Chinese literature and culture, but that’s not what China is really about.[/quote]
Sofun,
Thank you for your question.
I do not espouse a socialist or egalitarian China. I call myself a “Red” because I support unification with the PRC as the surviving political entity; I’m not necessarily opposed to some socialist-type goals in the broad sense (social safety net type stuff, a progressive tax rate and effective regulation of some industries) but that is it. And I’m not a Communist either.
I wouldn’t consider myself a Chinese “nationalist” (small “n”) either except in the widest sense that I feel some level of kinship and affinity with the Chinese cultural and linguistic world and I care what happens to its people. My “idealized, grand China” would likely look very different from the China of today (or whatever else we might likely see in the near to medium term) and would likely also vary from modern Taiwan as well. It would be a place that would provide well for its citizenry, would exert a strong and appealing cultural influence on its neighbors and the broader world, it would have sufficient defensive capabilities to prevent foreign domination and to enable the protection of interests abroad but would not threaten anyone, and in this idealized China, Taiwan, Tibet, Inner Mongolia and all the Han Provinces would have a choice to be part of the Chinese nation or go their own way.
That’s my ideal; I know China falls far short. I accept PRC unification and the 1C2S model because I believe that it remains the only practical opportunity for Taiwan to retain a much diminished form of autonomy and a couple features of democracy (but I recognize that a unified Taiwan will not be autonomous or democratic). Others may disagree, but I believe that Taiwan’s other options will lead to war/ruin or a slower, disorderly unification which elites and special interests will dominate for their own self-gain. I hope and believe that China will improve and become more like my ideal; but I don’t think that unification with Taiwan will yield such progress.
I was not educated in Chinese and only have the loosest sense of notions regarding Chinese political thought. I certainly accept that my assumptions and understandings are erroneous (and as a U.S. citizen and resident, I have no strong vested interest in what happens to Taiwan). I post here to learn about this issue and I welcome efforts to educate me or expand my knowledge.
Interesting. The idealized version seems to be identical to orthodox KMT cirriculum pre - 1989~1990s, except for the part where you accommodate the 1-country-2-systems system (There is only one system in the 1-country-2-systems system, despite the name), mixing in geo-politics.
I fully understand having an idealized version of China, because that’s a natural part of every Taiwanese and Chinese, being put through the public school system. If you’ve ever gone to Chinese language school or curriculum, I suspect you’d be exposed to that too. I shall call it the “unofficial Confucius Institute effect.”
I suspect there is an idealized version of China in every Japanese too. But since I am not one I cannot describe what it is. But I suspect it has to do with how ancient Japan “learned all those cultural things” from Chinese culture. etc etc.
I cannot agree to why out of frustration, one would think that the solution to many of the Taiwan’s problems is the 1-country-2-systems system advertised by a mediocre individual (who is no smarter than you and I) whose only talent was persuasion.
In traditional Chinese culture, uneducated folks when faced with illness or difficulties, would go to the Tao temples to seek written spell paper. They would burn the paper, and dump the ashes it into a cup of water, and drink it up. In this analogy, the 1-country-2-systems system is the spell paper.
From the perspective of the Tao temple (Chinese gov), the ultimate goal is to take possession of Taiwan (pun intended.) The Tao shaman is not concerned with how you reconcile within your head how the spell paper came to have that supposedly magical healing power. Anything is fine, 1-sytem 2 system 3 system, etc ------AS LONG AS he takes possession of Taiwan.
[quote=“Hokwongwei”]In 2008 and 2012, there were insinuations that Ma has been in gay relationships, and if I recall correctly, even that he got HIV from one. It was extremely crass and disappointing.
In 2012, a reporter asked Tsai Ing-wen if she’s a lesbian. (Neither Tsai nor Hung have ever been married. As I recall, the insinuation was made by either Shih Ming-te or Hsu Hsin-liang, both former DPP heads, but I could be wrong.) She basically said it’s none of your business and kept walking. It was a very mature response to a ridiculous question.[/quote]
Frankly Tsai comes of as a very mature person in relations to almost everyone else in Taiwanese political scene, which makes her stand out, in a good way, naturally imo.
The reason Ma is more unpopular than CSB is because most of Taiwan does not want unification. Does Hung seriously not grasp this?
And the reason Ma used to be popular among the Taiwanese was because of what?
(A sincere question by me. Not rhetorical)