Brexit

It is called the Magna Carta
https://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/articles/britains-unwritten-constitution

It is difficult to think of what more the British public could do to show they really mean business on leaving the EU. UKIP and an increasingly Eurosceptic Conservative party won over 50 percent of the vote in a proportional system in the 2014 European elections. A Conservative party promising a referendum won an outright majority in 2015. Both the Conservative and Labour parties promised to respect the result and leave the EU’s institutions in their 2017 manifesto. The one party that pushed to reverse the result, the Liberal Democrats, did pathetically in the 2017 election.

I understand that these results were not what many wanted - especially those who see Brexit as a blow to liberty. It is peculiar to me having lived in the EU to hear it talked about as if it some pinnacle of libertarianism that no sovereign state could better. But in judging Brexit by the near-term loss of free movement or the problems associated in the short-term with no deal, some libertarians make a fundamental category error: confusing a constitutional decision with a policy bundle.

The referendum question did not ask what the trade relationship with the EU should be, or what immigration policy might be after Brexit, or whether the UK wanted a withdrawal deal or not. It was a constitutional instruction that the U.K. wanted to leave the EU’s institutions. All that other stuff is ordinary policy decision-making within the domain of a sovereign polity, and Britain will as pro- or anti-liberty as its people and politicians decide.

But the referendum was about self-determination, and which government entities create the laws by which people are governed. To reject it or run it again would be like requesting whether the U.S. should rejoin the British empire every time a President adopts a set of policies those in Congress do not like.

Of course, at some stage the UK might want to revisit its constitutional decision. Its Parliamentarians may even agree with some on the desirability of another vote before Brexit has happened. But that does not negate the fact that ignoring the first vote through not delivering on it (rowing back on a promise to do so), while defying conventions on the frequency and process by which referendums are delivered, would itself represent a betrayal of the democratic mandate.ᐧ Cato, any grammatical mistakes I make no apologies for @BiggusDickus

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Great post. If they reverse Brexit, then they better start preparing internment camps. Not everyone is going to roll over and accept being ruled from Brussels.

A new movement may “sprout” up :wink:

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Mate, you obviously don’t have a clue.
Internment ?
You know you tried that once before in the UK but you only used it against Irish people. I can’t see it going down too well for proper British .

Anyway…
You haven’t even lived in the UK for 30 years according to your own statements :).
Threatening violence doesn’t solve anything.

Not true, I’ve been back and forth. No need to get personal. I also voted in the referendum. And I know a bit about your country too and the way the south killed of much of its protestant population. It surprises me the Irish fought so hard for independence but now are an EU dependent. .

Well, you are right but…
1641,1798, 1803, 1848, 1914, 1916, 1920…worked out for the Irish :wink:
They were wronged and treated badly and had little voice in their own destinies.

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Violence is never needed when democracy is respected.

Just to add some humour @Brianjones…do you remember this ? Sorry off topic but maybe that’s ok. How innocent fun can be mis-interpreted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zkL91LzCMc

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No, the republic didn’t kill protestants en masse, ridiculous . A lot of protestants left the Free State to go to NI or England after partition, a partition that Irish people never wanted nor voted for. Ireland belongs to Irish people of all types. The Republic is far more open minded than the UK or Northern Ireland these days.

Taking about internment is talking about violence and war. I think you are away with the fairies…You don’t know the reality you are taking about nor have to deal with the repercussions like most pensioners especially overseas ones.

Don’t get personal.
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/revealed-why-40-000-protestants-fled-ireland-in-four-years-1-7940663

One positive , due to a much more Socialist EU , was the Pension system. The UK citizens were royally screwed by Institutions, Banks and Government on that issue , disguised as austerity measures. If I was young , I may agree for selfish reasons, but the Funds were decimated. UK pensions must be the lowest in Europe :roll_eyes:

I can find much worse about Northern Ireland.
Let’s not mention the Great Famine and the Penal Laws if you want to go there. They were my ancestors who lived and died then en masse. We haven’t had any more famines or penal laws since we kicked you out .

Yes I’m Anglo Irish, you kicked us out that’s correct. At least you admit to your violence.

You stole our land and kept the natives down and tried to wipe out our culture . My family got land during the land reform and rightly so. The British militia invaded our house and now they are gone.
Ireland has never done better , as part of the UK it was just used as a breadbasket and for cash crops.

yes good for you now can you keep your nose out of our affairs or you want some more land ?

A battle of the boyne re-enactment on forumosa, who would have thought!

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No we kicked out the big house landowner a hundred years ago and have a very nice farm now. No need for further action :).

Actually I agree with a United Ireland, the north is an ugly place with almost no trees. Brian can take some of that land too…Kind of like the farm take overs in South Africa.

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